Colorado Gov Ritter signs House Bill 1284 and Senate Bill 109- Beginning of the end..

MacGuyver4.2.0

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​Colorado Governor Bill Ritter on Monday signed legislation that will regulate the state's medical marijuana dispensaries through a system of local and state licenses, but will still allow individual localities to ban dispensaries.

State officials estimate that about half of the dispensaries currently operating will be able to comply with the new rules.

There are about 1,100 medical marijuana shops in Colorado, the most in any state other than California, which does not have statewide dispensary regulations.


Karen O'Keefe, MPP: "Patients will now be able to obtain marijuana from a sensible and orderly system of law-aabiding and regulated providers"
​"By approving a statewide system of dispensaries through which patients can safely acquire marijuana, Colorado is taking a significant amount of revenue away from the dangerous, illicit, and unsanctioned market created by prohibition," said Karen O'Keefe, director of state policies for the Marijuana Policy Project (MPP).

"Instead, patients will now be able to obtain marijuana from a sensible and orderly system of law-abiding and regulated providers," O'Keefe said. "The scope of this newly regulated industry makes it the largest ever in the United States."

"The companion measures I signed today strike a delicate balance between protecting public safety and respecting the will of the voters," Gov. Ritter said.

The governor signed the bills, House Bill 1284 and Senate Bill 109, without the usual public ceremony such high-profile legislation usually commands, reports John Ingold of The Denver Post.

Instead, the bills were quietly signed in private before Ritter headed out on a bill-signing tour in southwestern Colorado. :finger:

Dispensary owners will be subject to licensing fees and background checks under the regulations. Shops will be required to grow 70 percent of the marijuana they sell and, like liquor stores, will not be allowed to operate within 1,000 feet of schools.

Some patient advocates say the rules go too far, will drive dispensaries out of business and will push patients back into buying cannabis illegally on the street.

A team of lawyers has already begun gathering potential plaintiffs for lawsuits challenging the laws' constitutionality. :clap:

The law distinguishes between dispensaries and "primary caregivers" -- small-scale marijuana providers whose work is protected in the state's constitution. In order to qualify for protection now, caregivers can serve no more than five patients and grow no more than six plants per patient, in almost all cases cases. They must also register with the state.

New Mexico already has a state-regulated medical marijuana dispensary program. Similar programs will soon be operational in Rhode Island, Maine, New Jersey, and Washington, D.C., but the number of licensed dispensaries allowed in each of those states is fewer than 10.

Colorado's medical marijuana law will allow hundreds of dispensaries, and potentially more if future demand increases.

A plurality of Colorado voters supports further expanding the state's marijuana laws, according to a Rasmussen telephone poll released May 15.

Among likely voters, 49 percent said they support taxing and regulating marijuana like alcohol, with an additional 13 percent still undecided.
 

neobes

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This new law is seriously fucked up. I think the biggest outcomes are going to be prices going back up and more people patronizing the black market so they don't have to deal with all the bullshit hoops the state has decided to make patients, dispensaries, and caregivers jump through.
 
Honestly, this bill doesn't bother me that much. The licensing fees are pretty high but I think we all know that we need some regulation here. Marijuana is considered medication and yet it is totally unregulated in terms of quality control. I don't want to smoke bugs or pesticides or fungicides and all those other wonderful chemicals that half-wit commercial growers are putting in their product. Now we have an ingredient list. This also does something that makes this the "beginning" instead of the "beginning of the end" and that is making a dispensary a legal business. We have licenses, we pay taxes ( i think the tax bond is bogus), we keep records and now we have a legal right to conduct business. If they want to get rid of dispensaries this is a wall they are going to have to take down. My dispensary isn't closing and I know many more that aren't because we have been following the rules from the beginning. Some of the shadier dispensaries are already in trouble after audits and they probably won't make it, but that doesn't mean anything for patients except they need to find a new dispensary and maybe change their caregiver. I also like this because now growers are also going to be legal employees conducting a legal trade in their craft of choice. I went from growing illegally to business owner over night.
I agree that there will be a lot of lawsuits over this but those are going to continue to shape this law into a more workable product that functions for the government and the people. This is the way it works, the government puts out their ideal law and then the people tear it apart with lawsuits until it's something that works for them too.
I am all for full legalization and I don't think it's far off. I think this is going to wind up getting us farther ahead than behind.
 

MacGuyver4.2.0

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Honestly, this bill doesn't bother me that much. The licensing fees are pretty high but I think we all know that we need some regulation here. Marijuana is considered medication and yet it is totally unregulated in terms of quality control. I don't want to smoke bugs or pesticides or fungicides and all those other wonderful chemicals that half-wit commercial growers are putting in their product. Now we have an ingredient list. This also does something that makes this the "beginning" instead of the "beginning of the end" and that is making a dispensary a legal business. We have licenses, we pay taxes ( i think the tax bond is bogus), we keep records and now we have a legal right to conduct business. If they want to get rid of dispensaries this is a wall they are going to have to take down. My dispensary isn't closing and I know many more that aren't because we have been following the rules from the beginning. Some of the shadier dispensaries are already in trouble after audits and they probably won't make it, but that doesn't mean anything for patients except they need to find a new dispensary and maybe change their caregiver. I also like this because now growers are also going to be legal employees conducting a legal trade in their craft of choice. I went from growing illegally to business owner over night.
I agree that there will be a lot of lawsuits over this but those are going to continue to shape this law into a more workable product that functions for the government and the people. This is the way it works, the government puts out their ideal law and then the people tear it apart with lawsuits until it's something that works for them too.
I am all for full legalization and I don't think it's far off. I think this is going to wind up getting us farther ahead than behind.


Wow. And exactly "what' dispenasary is yours? People who have been following this whole debacle from the start 'know' that Senator Chris Romer (who pushed this from the start) is and always will be a total dickhead. Gov Ritter is a former prosecuter, and also was a driving force behind the 'law enforcement' model these bills are shaped in. Medical MMJ should NOT be taxed anyways, hence the term 'medical'. Show me current prescription drugs that are taxed.(they are not). The state fucked up the whole process that the PEOPLE instituted anyways. Some regulation is always needed, but not to the extent these clowns have done. It's all about control and money, NOT the patients. Anyone who says different is either totally ignorant or an outright liar. (with interests in either money or control side of this).

As far as the word 'legal' goes, that still doesn't matter to the DEA. Major raids are still carried out and the real 'legal' growers have to suffer through losses and intimidation...for what? In regards to our dumb ass politicians passing laws that they KNOW are unconstitutional (example: Romers first bill tried to make citizens surrender thier 5th ammendment rights). Robert Corry rebuked and ridiculed Romer for being a clueless idiot. We should not HAVE to correct mistakes our politicians make, it is both time consuming and costly. Rest assured November is coming soon and neither Romer or Ritter are seeking re-election for thier respective offices, although Romer thinks he can be a Mayor. Think again, bitch.
 
The answer to "exactly 'what' dispenasary(sic)" is: The one that I run. Had you asked me "which" dispensary I think you would get the answer you are actually looking for. Also, drug companies pay taxes. Pfizer, Astra Zeneca, and all the others pay taxes. I don't think the patients should have to pay taxes (which is what I think you were actually trying to tell me), but right now they don't. The business owner does and paying taxes is the cost of doing business in America. If we don't pay taxes then we are just drug dealers.

As for the extent of the regulation: Have you read the actual bill? I can send you the .pdf because if you do read it (and you should with your lawyer) you will find out that it's not that well put together, full of holes and not very precise in what it says. If it were bullet proof and well done people wouldn't be setting up to create hundreds of lawsuits already (lawyers don't fight unless they think they can win).

I fully agree that we shouldn't "HAVE" to correct our government's mistakes but that's just the way it is. I don't think I should have to stop in Atlanta on my flight to D.C. from Denver, but it's still gonna happen so I'm not gonna waste my energy letting everyone know how I think things should be.

I also agree on the whole DEA thing. Right now the DEA is considered as having gone rogue since both the President and Attorney General have said that the raids are no longer U.S. policy so it is probably just a matter of time before Obama replaces the executive leadership of the DEA, which are all currently the people appointed by Bush. Once all the old Bush loyalists are kicked out the DEA should fall in line.

I would also never say that what the government is doing it is doing for the people, or patients, but an ingredient list is a good thing and sometimes good things comes in terribly wrapped packages.
 

ganjaluvr

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Well, I mean did you guys really expect the government to do a "good" job at something?? Not a chance..

Our government, especially todays government.. is totally retarded.

Did you know that they did a random drug test on Obama's people? I think they said (heard this on the radio this morning on the way to the Methadone clinic) but I think they said that somewhere around 90% of them failed the drug tests. That's scary isn't it?.. But, I'm getting to the age where nothing really surprises me anymore. LOL.. ehh. :|
 

mr.swishas&herb

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not to mention how pathetic it is that they finally legalize due to the fact that the states are so poor, has nothing to do with politicians caring about people who suffer...I am determined that politicians will follow the money and the votes, nothing else. Not to mention the ever so common argument that alcohol (which is legalized and taxed) kills thousands of people every year but yet that remains legal and why? because there is so much money in the business...it has to come to a point where it comes down to common sense and supported research instead of dollars and cents.
 

mr.swishas&herb

Active Member
Well, I mean did you guys really expect the government to do a "good" job at something?? Not a chance..

Our government, especially todays government.. is totally retarded.

Did you know that they did a random drug test on Obama's people? I think they said (heard this on the radio this morning on the way to the Methadone clinic) but I think they said that somewhere around 90% of them failed the drug tests. That's scary isn't it?.. But, I'm getting to the age where nothing really surprises me anymore. LOL.. ehh.
:|
(this is what i was adding to)
 

Severdali

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The dispensaries are happy, of course. This means more profit for them. They want to sell smaller amounts at higher prices, thats why most of them got into running a club. What this REALLY means is death to all growers that actually want to make good money in CO. I guarantee you most indoor growers in CO like other places are maxing out at 5-8 oz per plant. At that rate, and with only being able to have 5 patients, its not looking good.

And yes, this state is run by people like Ritter, which was a former prosecutor, which kinda explains it all. You want my opinion? Fuck it, fuck Colorado anyways. I get a ticket in the mail from New Mexico that I didnt pay from the state of Colorado saying I need to pay it or else my license here is suspended. We have this fucked up program here, I cant remember what it is, its like CO, WY, NM and I think Utah are all connected and if you get a ticket or warrant somewhere else you get arrested here. I don't have money until I can harvest soon, lol.

I like CA anyways, a hell of a lot, and I could use some nice weather :) peace folks
 

Sneezy

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severdali it is called the interstate compact i believe there are 11 states that trade info on people with colorado! (it might be 20 idont remember) but no matter what they have access to your criminal record from any state that opted in to share info!
 

natswift

Member
OK, so i've read over the Bill briefly but i'm still confused about one thing. I'm a caregiver and don't ever plan on having more than 5 patients. What I want to know, is if I grow within the confines of the Constitution and provide medicine for the patients I care-give for can I sell any abundance of product I have to other Card holders without being considered a dispensary?
 
"How would this effect a Primary Caregiver who has only 4 patients ?" It doesn't really change things for you too much but riddleme is absolutely correct in that you have to register with the state and if you don't and get caught you will be in some trouble.


"The dispensaries are happy, of course. This means more profit for them. They want to sell smaller amounts at higher prices, thats why most of them got into running a club. What this REALLY means is death to all growers that actually want to make good money in CO. I guarantee you most indoor growers in CO like other places are maxing out at 5-8 oz per plant. At that rate, and with only being able to have 5 patients, its not looking good." - Severdali.

As to that there is a change in the law that might interest you and that is that a doctor can now prescribe more than six plants per person. I have several clients who have 24 plants each so even with just five people you can still make some profit if you are smart and conscious about it and put in the effort.

"OK, so i've read over the Bill briefly but i'm still confused about one thing. I'm a caregiver and don't ever plan on having more than 5 patients. What I want to know, is if I grow within the confines of the Constitution and provide medicine for the patients I care-give for can I sell any abundance of product I have to other Card holders without being considered a dispensary? " - natswift.

You can sell legally to anybody with a card regardless if you are their caregiver or not.
 

iscrog4food

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2 questions: 1) Can I be a caregiver and live in the same house as someone else who is a caregiver and we each be able to have our plants and those for our patients. and

2) how do i go about getting the refferal for more than 6 plants? I tried hinting at it during the reccomendation but to no avail.


As far as the laws are concerned they are corporatist bullshit. They slant against the little guy in favor of those wealthy enough to own dispensaries. I think that dispensaries are most likely to commit irresponsible acts in order to make profit. WHo is more likely to spray pesticides... a farmer who grows for a few friends and smokes his own product or a $10 goon hired by a dispensary to tend the plants? I can see it now..."I know you shouldn't spray this late in flower but hell...im not smoking it!"
 

riddleme

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2) how do i go about getting the refferal for more than 6 plants? I tried hinting at it during the reccomendation but to no avail.
You need to say that you only eat/ingest your medicine and can't smoke it, as it is well known that it takes more to cook with, they tend to give a 25 plant limit when you tell them this
 

i81two

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"How would this effect a Primary Caregiver who has only 4 patients ?" It doesn't really change things for you too much but riddleme is absolutely correct in that you have to register with the state and if you don't and get caught you will be in some trouble.


"The dispensaries are happy, of course. This means more profit for them. They want to sell smaller amounts at higher prices, thats why most of them got into running a club. What this REALLY means is death to all growers that actually want to make good money in CO. I guarantee you most indoor growers in CO like other places are maxing out at 5-8 oz per plant. At that rate, and with only being able to have 5 patients, its not looking good." - Severdali.

As to that there is a change in the law that might interest you and that is that a doctor can now prescribe more than six plants per person. I have several clients who have 24 plants each so even with just five people you can still make some profit if you are smart and conscious about it and put in the effort.

"OK, so i've read over the Bill briefly but i'm still confused about one thing. I'm a caregiver and don't ever plan on having more than 5 patients. What I want to know, is if I grow within the confines of the Constitution and provide medicine for the patients I care-give for can I sell any abundance of product I have to other Card holders without being considered a dispensary? " - natswift.

You can sell legally to anybody with a card regardless if you are their caregiver or not.


You can sell legally to anybody with a card regardless if you are their caregiver or not.[/QUOTE]

Are you sure about that ?
 

Philo2

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Any word on the lawsuits filed against this law?

Is there any possibility of an injunction prior to July 1st?
 

DMG3528

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Question on how the law reads?

When you are working for a dispensary, under their umbrella, are you listed as an employee?

Will you be able to have your own facility and sell them product at an agreed upon price?

Will you have to work in THEIR facility for a nominal wage?

I would never work for $30/hr, But, I would work my own grow and sell to that specific dispensary exclusivly.

If the dispensary's are just paying hands to work in their op's then we as the patient's are getting the lowest form of med's possible.
I am not going to buy med's from a place that has a couple of low paid, not caring, just working employee's, raising my med's.

The quality of the employee is directly based on the money said employee is being paid.

Just wondering about these Question's?

DMG
 

SoCoMMJ

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Question on how the law reads?

When you are working for a dispensary, under their umbrella, are you listed as an employee?
Technically the grow has to belong to the dispensary. In commercial locations, the grower has them listed on the lease as well.

Will you be able to have your own facility and sell them product at an agreed upon price?
Only Dispensaries can have optional grow licenses. You can contract with a Dispensary, but they have to get the grow license.
Random growers and caregivers can no longer sell to dispensaries.

Will you have to work in THEIR facility for a nominal wage?
No, agreements that I've seen pay for production volumes.

I would never work for $30/hr, But, I would work my own grow and sell to that specific dispensary exclusivly.
That is Illegal unless the Dispensary provides you with an optional grow license.

If the dispensary's are just paying hands to work in their op's then we as the patient's are getting the lowest form of med's possible.
I am not going to buy med's from a place that has a couple of low paid, not caring, just working employee's, raising my med's.
You are free to pay as much as you want for your meds. However the highest prices don't dictate the best quality.

The quality of the employee is directly based on the money said employee is being paid.
Not really. The Daughter trims cheap and does an awesome job.

Just wondering about these Question's?

DMG
Note the the comments above in bold are not legal advice. You have to pay to get that... But I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about. :-)
 
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