Discussion in 'Seed and Strain Reviews' started by polishfalcon420, Mar 23, 2009.
Just wondering if anyone has seen these original strains available anywhere.
nah sorry but theres these
Colombian Rojo Haze is an excellent sativa hybrid cross between a Neville’s Haze mother and a Colombian Red father.Neville’s Haze (the mother) is a stong pine flavoured long leafed 75% sativa strain – a hybrid cross of Original Haze with...
Pamir Gold originated in the western Himalayas of Tadzjikistan. The plant was adapted to the high altitudes of the Swiss Alpes during several years of selective breeding. Once selected seeds were reproduced in the Netherlands. Pamir Gold is a mostly...
Himalaya Gold has won many harvest festivals and private awards, proving its popular and high quality reputation. It’s a strong and diverse plant, with a high that encourages creativity and effects that can be medicinal and pleasant. Awards: Not yet...
these are the closest i could find..
i only trust one seedbank anymore sorry. but at least i tried.
collumbian gold is a bit over rated tho... still pretty dam good tho
I thought the gold was pretty good but the red bud was awsome. thanks for the reply did you find them at the attitude? I think I have run acrossed them on their. well the rojo haze anyway.
I have never found the real true honest to goodness landrace Colombian Gold like I enjoyed so much in the late 60s and 70s from any seedbank. I have found strains that were claimed to be the Real McCoy but turned out to be nothing at all like the landrace Colombian Gold was.
The same can be said about a number of other famous landrace sativas from the past. You just cannot find them in their pure original genetics.
You also asked about Red Bud. Was that the Red Bud that has been floating around for a handful of years or so or did you mean the old true landrace Panama Red?
If you meant Panama Red do not hold your breath while looking for it or else you will have to change your username to Mr. Blue. It is another of the great blasts from the past that can no longer be found.
I noticed one message that said that Colombian Gold is/was overrated. Well if that person formed their opinion based on genetics that have been sold in the last two decades, or roughly so, I would totally agree with them but if they were referring to the original true Colombian Gold I would have to disagree.
I started getting high in the late 60s and first began to grow my own in either 1972 or 1973 and I can tell you from personal experience that the old true pure landrace sativas of the era would absolutely stun most smokers of today. There is some odd misperception that pot of that era was not close to being what pot is today and that, like was said, it is/was overrated. That is just not the case.
Most, or at least many, smokers today have never experienced a true landrace sativa and what they know to be pot and what they consider to be good and what they call potent would not have been a big seller in the 60s and the 70s.
Back then it was called getting high because you got high. Later it became getting stoned because you got stoned. The change came when different indicas and indica/sativa crosses flooded the market. They were not created or grown or sold because they were better but because they matured faster and had a higher yield and both of those things factor in heavily when it comes to commercial growing.
Some landrace sativas could take up to 20 weeks of flowering to mature and that is 2.5 times the average length of time for an indica to flower/mature. That cuts down on the number of crops someone can grow in a year. Also because of the lower yield growing a pure sativa further cut down on yearly profits.
People really badmouth Mexican pot but there was a time when most of it was damn good. It wasnt until ignorant people crossed the pure landrace Mexican sativas with indicas in an attempt to shorten flowering/maturing time and to increase yields that it became the lower grade pot that most people today know it to be.
A lid of Oaxaca Gold, and back then a lid was not a measured ounce as things later became and it was common to buy a lid where the baggie was so full that you could hardly fold the flap over to close the baggie, would cost around $15.00 to $20.00 in most cases.
It would knock your socks off and it weighed way over an ounce so a lid would last a good while.
It was easily the equal of a number of modern day strains that I have grown or smoked. Most people today refuse to accept that because it was Mexican and they just know that Mexican is low grade weed but it is exactly how it was. It was killer and it was cheap.
The reason I asked about what you meant by Red Bud is because if it was not Panama Red and instead the cross of today you were asking about two very different strains.
Again one gets you high and the other gets you stoned and to someone from the past like myself there is a vast ocean of difference and I have remained old school all these years and still much more love a sativa over an indica.
The clear soaring motivational cerebral head high of a pure sativa just cannot be compared to the mind numbing body gelling couch-lock stone of an indica or a cross that gives you the munchies so bad that you eat an entire cow and then follow that up with a half dozen burrito supremes and wash it all down with four Big Gulps.
It is comparing a Bugatti Veyron-like high to a Yugo-like stone. (for those that are unaware the Bugatti Veyron is the fastest production car in the world. It has 1001 horsepower and will go from 0 to 100 km/hr in 3.8 seconds and from 100km/hr to 0 in 3.2 seconds and the Yugo didnt have enough power to get out of its own way or to pull a marble out of a mud hole so you didnt need brakes, you could just stick your feet through the hole that rotted through the floor practically overnight after purchasing one and put your feet on the ground and stop it while under full power.)
So if you were comparing those two strains in any way or believe them to be similar they are in fact an apples to zebras comparison.
God how I miss those old pure sativas of the past. My brother in law brought home a rather large amount of a pure landrace sativa when he returned from Vietnam. I believe it was Dalat but it has been to many years to remember clearly but it was what I describe as being dangerous.
Real hardcore tokers would do like two hits and the next time the pipe or joint came around they would pass and some would later say they were to high. Only true party commandos smoked more of it, one of which I am proud to say I was.
But it would virtually scare people and it would scare a number of todays smokers too if they were able to lay their hands on some and they would then throw rocks at and ridicule and scorn the very same stains that up until then they called potent and high quality.
I honestly feel sorry for people today who believe they are smoking the very best pot that has ever existed but never had the opportunity in life to smoke real true pure landrace sativa strains like Dalat and Colombian Gold and Panama Red and Acapulco Gold and several of the pure old Mexican landrace sativa strains.
You guys just have no idea of what you missed.
dont really care i got to try thai buddha and purple haze too so im fine there.
so yeah i have tried it and the genetics are still strong and around in some of the right places tho i cant get it any more.. which saddens me it was good but id still say over rated
also i do get to smoke true landrace strains (and aussie landrace strains)
i see your point tho..
but theres people who smoke/smoked em without even knowing. i was just trying to say there definately still out there and still strong.
If they are still out there PLEASE tell me where I can purchase the original true landrace Dalat and Colombian Gold and Acapulco Gold and Panama Red seeds from.
I have searched for them for years and everything I have tried that was claimed to be the original was at very best a mere shadow of what I used to smoke.
yeah i know the only real way to get them is through clones or ppl that ya know that own the strains and had em for years (basically stabilized and inbred really) but yeah its there...
but the person i know that had it moved and then moed again lost track of em sadly but the others qare still around but hard to get... purple haze i know of seeds only (this i can get) lost track of the true thai buddha too but i know they keep them alive and potent
sorry i cant be more help
you and my dad must be a similar age. he said the stuff i grow is the same if not better then the old days.
also cannaboid receptors are know to deminish in the limbic system after the age of 20. thus it gets harder and harder with age to get high. its not supernatural just ur older and had more fun with you were younger and high
well thanks for the responses. it sucks that the strains seem to have disappeared. I actually have a jiffy peanutbutter jar full of the red bud seeds, but unfortunately I havent been able to get any of them to germ. they are extremely old and I beleive that they are no longer viable. if anyone seems to come across them keep me posted. thanks.
The real difference is not in the brain but instead in the strains. There is no way to compare a true landrace sativa high to a sativa/indica or indica stone. Once indica was added it changed everything.
Modern pot can be very potent but it is a very different kind of potency, and that is my point, not potency itself but the difference in its effects.
One of my nieces friends was a roommate of a guy who is the son of an LA attorney who handles many movie stars and producers and directors and studio heads and he gets high and his son gets high and he got his son in contact with someone who supplies the stars and producers and others with pot and the son buys enough for a handful of people here and of course himself. It is absolutely the very best you can find.
That is one reason I do not grow nearly as much as I used to because I purchase from the lawyers son. I smoke the very same weed that Hollywood big shots smoke and I do have to admit that it is potent but it is still very different in its affects that the strains of pot that I was talking about.
I would not be surprised to find that if the pot in my bowl right now were tested and some of the real true old pot from the past were tested that the pot in my bowl would have a higher level of THC. I do not dispute THC levels. The difference is in the combination/percentages of the various different active chemicals in pot.
What affects the human brain is not only THC. You also have THCV, which you do not find in an indica,, CBN, CBD, CBC, CBL. Not all are psychoactive but some do work either in conjunction with or work against THC and THCV.
There are many chemicals in pot that to date have not been discovered and others that have been but no one knows for sure exactly what they do and in both cases that is because of a lack of scientific research.
By 1974 there were 37 different chemicals discovered in pot but some researchers believe there may be 200 or more, most of which remain unknowns.
It is the percentages of the different chemicals in pot that create different affects. In very simple language increased levels of THC content will produce a stronger high.
But then CBD increases some of the effects of THC and decreases other effects of THC. High levels of THC and low levels of CBD contribute to a strong, clear headed, more energetic high.
So right there depending on the percentages/the balance of the two the affects of a strain can be very different than another strain regardless of THC levels.
Toss into the mix high levels of CBN and they tend to make the user feel messed up rather than high. Again a very different affect regardless of THC levels.
Now throw inTHCV, which is found primarily in strains natural to equatorial and subtropical regions. THCV increases the speed and intensity of THC effects, but also causes the high to end sooner. Weed that smells strong (prior to smoking) might indicate a high level of THCV.
Add THCV and you again have a very different affect and that is what was found in the past in the strains I mentioned that you cannot find today in their pure form. They increased the speed and the intensity of the THC and that made them true rocket sled rides instead of a stone.
CBC is said to probably not be psychoactive in pure form but is thought to interact with THC to enhance the high. So again it works with THC so depending on how much or how little CBC you have in a strain will alter the affects regardless of the THC level.
CBL is a degradative product like CBN and light converts CBC to CBL so that can alter what is grown and depending on how high of a percentage there is it can and will change the affects.
So many people say THC, THC, THC and if something isnt really high in THC they say its crap. Well with the right combinations of the various chemicals in pot something with a lower level of THC can hit you harder than something with a higher level of THC.
Many people love Durban Poison and say it is very potent but if you look through the various breeders Durban Poison it ranges in 8.6% to roughly 15% range. That is not high in THC by todays standards so what makes it so special to so many people?
Because the its subtropical/equatorial heritage, it has more of that old school combination/percentages of the different chemicals and of course it has THCV that as I stated is not found in an indica.
The affects of most modern day pot is so utterly different from that of the pot of the past that there is no way to describe it or explain it to anyone who never smoked it. It would be as difficult to explain as to attempt to explain to someone who was born blind the different colors of the rainbow. It is simply impossible to do and for some reason many people today refuse to accept how amazingly fantastic pot of the past really was. It is as if they need to believe they are smoking the very best pot that has come down the pike.
Every new generation like to believe they invented sex drugs and rock and roll but do not forget what generation actually invented that combination.
Those that are from that generation and who still get high have followed the changes over the decades and they are the only ones that can tell it like it is because they are the only ones who have experienced it all.
if i could id rep ya again bricktop....
now i know y spiked 1 went off he must have seriously thought i was being a smart ass at first.. he must have pretty high reguards for you and now i see y....
i still dont know how yas made me feel like an prick but yas did lol.
but seriously i wasnt being smartassy at all like i said yas just missunder stood what i wrote and missed some shit. but it happens
i think your a good member for this forum for what its worth bro.
and ill get rid of the thing in ma sig now that i know whats goin on
p.s keep up the good work man
this is for you
i would agree with you and your going to defend this alot but it was know that seller from the tia region cut cannabis with opium and sold it to people without their knowledge.
I like what Brick Top has to say on the subject. And Snatch is one of my top 5 so I know what NEMESIS means, lol. Dude, Brick Top, I am looking forward to reading more of your posts. I always had a feeling that the old landrace sativas would kick the crap outta the hybrid shit. I hate couch-lock. I hate paranoia. And I'm already tired all the time, I don't want to smoke indica and make it worse! I sometimes wonder if the pure strains are still alive and well somewhere in Columbia or Panama, and maybe they're "reserved", so to speak, for special clients or perhaps the farmers themselves. I mean, the odds are that has to be the case. Columbia is fucking huge! Columbian Gold can't be extinct! It can't just disappear entirely in a matter of 30-40 years, can it? And also, Brick Top, you MUST have been around for Owsley Stanley's LSD. Dude, any old stories about that would be really interesting to me, as I'm only 27, and have only tripped on the weak crap that was around in the mid to late 90's. Thanx again sir and Awesome post.
Im with you man, the strains have to be out there somewhere. It seems like there would be some way to get some of the original landrace strains. I mean money is a great force, I cant believe nobody has found a way to get some imported somehow. I mean tons of heroin and cocaine seem to find their way here everyday. It really blows my mind that the banks havent already solved this problem for us.
Hey Brick top and everyone else interested. I agree on the different effects of yesterdays pot and am in fact growing two Mexi sativas right now that are definitely predominately sativas. Are they pure sat? I'm sure they are not, but they have all the ear marks of weed that I used to smoke in the mid to late seventies. They want to be giants, skinny, trippy, minty. They were from some schwag obtained in abeline, where "good" weed is non existent. From the buds I got I could tell it was immature, but it still smoked and tasted ok. Good signs for the possible outcome.
here's my take on the hope for the sats. Current theories generally say weed weed originated in the foothills of the himalayas as an INDICA. As the attributes were selected and it traveled the world it changed both through selection and THE NATURAL DRIFT TOWARD SATIVA IN TROPICAL CLIMATES. So given time and careful selection "pure sativas" can be achieved again. One thing that I really remember clearly is that I had NEVER seen a bud Covered in thick trichs until the advent of all the indica. That includes extremely potent vietnam black, thai, columbian and panimanian stains. They had trichs, just not such an obvious visual coating.
Back to the Mexis...Both want to be giant sativas. Now one of these looks Just like old school mexi, lots of yellowing fan leaves daily in late flower, hard to see but dense trichs but the other is covered in thick, gooey resin heads like NL#5 and few fan leaves. Which one is more apealing? It would be hard for anyone to overlook the icky sticky...is it more potent? Maybe maybe not.
So when people are breeding to sell, they are going to pick the sticky icky because it is something apealing from the first glance. this sucks because as anyone has smoked some sticky icky morrocan and just got tired because the cannibinoid profile was mostly CBN and not THC can tell you just because there is resin DOES NOT mean great high.
I'm hoping both mexis have that old sat high. I can't wait to find out!
let us know how they turn out. where I live we have a native strain that was bread years ago(paralyzer), it is mostly sativa but I dont think it is a pure 100% strain. It is mostly grown outdoors here in the midwest. it is very potent pretty good taste and long lasting high. it still has the indica couchlock/munchie syndrome though. when growing the plant has the thin sative leaves but dont have that really resin sticky appearance. I think most of the problem with it now is the genes dont seem to be what they were 10-15yrs ago and the grow season here is kinda short for a true sativa.
Hey guys i don't know if it's the real columbian but i know it is great smoke and will make u feel like there are 10 pound wieghts on your eyes it's an awesome smoke and will give u great yeild if grown hydroponicly heres the site the ship worldwide http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.u...draces-columbian-gold-feminized/prod_533.html
Could you help us out and tell us which ones you have tried so we know to avoid them? At least the ones you can remember.
Have you found ANYTHING that comes close?
I remember as a kid smoking a lot of Matanuska Thunderfuck and being shocked that the stuff available at my stateside college was so thoroughly inferior. Years later, back in AK, I can tell you that if there is any MT left, I can't find it. It was pretty available until the mid to late 80s, but the drug wars, rapid population growth in the valley, and an influx of Sara Palin clones pretty much ended outside cultivation. Yup. Strains can dissapear.
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