Coir Monotub

Thought this tub was done, but starting pinning again over the weekend. Figured I'd keep it around and see how it turns out.

Corbat420 said:

Cambo's and Cyan's are the fastest myc growth i have ever seen. they blew me away. total colonization of 1L WBS/rye in 15-18 days for the cambo's and 18-20 for the CY's.

they fruit fast to, and the flushes are usually a BEAST so im thinking your friends will be happy

P.S: What did you case with? a thin layer or a thick layer?

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Wait a minute - your cubs take more than 18 days? Usually they take about 5 to colonize.

canndo said:

Wait a minute - your cubs take more than 18 days? Usually they take about 5 to colonize.

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If your doing G2G transfers yes, but if your sporating new spores it takes 3-5 days for the spores to latch and start to multiply, then another 12-15 days to colonize the jars.

doing G2G transfers are using allready established mycelium (isialy 1/4 colonized grains, 3/4 uncolonized) so the Myc has a LARGE head start. under the right conditions (small jars, proper temps, CO2 levels around 12,000 PPM) the jars will colonize in as little as 3 days.....

P.S: we arn't talking about cubes anymore.... we are talking about Panaeolus (Pan cyans, Pan cambo's, ect) which has a slightly slower metabolism than cubensis...

Thing is, second flushes are so much smaller its better to have a next set of jars cued and rolling again.

Corbat420 said:

If your doing G2G transfers yes, but if your sporating new spores it takes 3-5 days for the spores to latch and start to multiply, then another 12-15 days to colonize the jars.

doing G2G transfers are using allready established mycelium (isialy 1/4 colonized grains, 3/4 uncolonized) so the Myc has a LARGE head start. under the right conditions (small jars, proper temps, CO2 levels around 12,000 PPM) the jars will colonize in as little as 3 days.....

P.S: we arn't talking about cubes anymore.... we are talking about Panaeolus (Pan cyans, Pan cambo's, ect) which has a slightly slower metabolism than cubensis...

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I'm not talking about grain to grain, either liquid culture or straight multi-spore. Of course the multi-spore takes a few days to start germinating but I have found that rye will colonize pretty much any amount in less than a week from the apearance of mycelium - at 80 degrees. You might consider enriching your medium with a little malt extract or some straw steap.

in less than a week from the apearance of mycelium - at 80 degrees

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well considering thats the MAIN factor, and you have to factor in that 90% of people dont use incubators to keep a perfect 80 F (26 C), its cheaper, and easier to simply let them sit around 22-24 C (70-75 F). using an incubator to ensure temperature increases mycelium metabolism (to as much as double...), the faster the myc metabolizes its surrounding environment the faster it "grows"

When you factor metabolism in 12-15 days for colonization isn't that big of a jump, considering my myc is growing at around 22 C (72~F).

P.S not trying to be an asshole. just telling it the way it the way i have experianced it.... over the last 2 years.....

Corbat420 said:

well considering thats the MAIN factor, and you have to factor in that 90% of people dont use incubators to keep a perfect 80 F (26 C), its cheaper, and easier to simply let them sit around 22-24 C (70-75 F). using an incubator to ensure temperature increases mycelium metabolism (to as much as double...), the faster the myc metabolizes its surrounding environment the faster it "grows"

When you factor metabolism in 12-15 days for colonization isn't that big of a jump, considering my myc is growing at around 22 C (72~F).

P.S not trying to be an asshole. just telling it the way it the way i have experianced it.... over the last 2 years.....

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Here is what I have found - if your grain is at optimal moisture, that means that they are as wet as they can be while still being relatively dry on the outside, and they have a balanced PH, and they are shaken at reasonable intervals - they can and will colonize at very high speed, beyond that, the mulitplicative effect means that there is little difference between colonizing a quart or a gallon, 3 oz or 3 lbs. Corn steep, straw steep or (the most dangerous) - malt extract seems to increase the speed of colonization as well. Of course liquid culture in any amount makes everything quicker but even blenderized petri dishes of sliced mycelium will recover in only a day or two. And yes an incubation system is nice but it isn't expensive to build. I am always shocked that people are willing to accept such long colonization time frames. A part of the necessity for speed in some processes is the absence of air - if one works in sealed systems, one has only a limited amount of time to get full colonization before the air in the jar fails.

Large tubs takes time man. Unless you start with way too much spawn.

ANC said:

Large tubs takes time man. Unless you start with way too much spawn.

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Hang on ANC, we aren't talking about bulk substrate. That will take some time - but I don't believe you can actually have too much spawn - that is unless you are using SO much that you have more spawn than substrate. I've seen a 30 gallon bag of straw colonize in 10 days and have heard that if you use shredded pf cakes you can colonize horse manure mixures in 3 - and I believe it. They say that you can take your cake to a cheese grater and reduce it to tiny particles almost like dust - sounds like quite a spawning technique.

I crushed mine to crumbs. Itty bitty little crumbs.

but I don't believe you can actually have too much spawn....I've seen a 30 gallon bag of straw colonize in 10 days and have heard that if you use shredded pf cakes you can colonize horse manure mixures in 3 - and I believe it.

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yea, im under the exact same opinion.... its impossible to have to much spawn. if someone realy wanted to they could just spawn WBS into a mono and fruit it, it would be a waste but it would still do the job.

As for the PF cakes, a friend of mine slices them like cheese and puts them in a manure log. i have seen the logs fully colonize in 4-5 days.... im going to ask him if he has ever shredded them and tried it

Been very busy the past few weeks and forgot to follow up on the last flush. Came in at about 2oz dry. If my math is correct, I think that takes this tub up to a little over 9oz total. Curious to see how much more I could pull off it but I got rid of it a few days ago to free the tub up for another round.

So...for real...is growing shrooms like growing pot in the way that it will all make more sense once I start?..Because I really want to try it, but it all seems so complicated.

It is easy missnu.

@sonar,
Why 5 quarts spawn?
I have the same size monotub growing right now except my sub is only like 1-2in thick, 2 quarts spawn.
Will a bigger sub make bigger mushrooms?

Good question. From what I've been reading. I know that they fruit better with a deeper sub. But as far as size of fruits. So far my largest are around 4g dry. And those are big.

With the tub I use and the amount of substrate and spawn it is usually 3-4". The whole thing really shrinks down a lot even after the first flush. All the monsters I've pulled were from later flushes. These past couple were from the 5th flush if I remember correctly.

DaSprout said:

Good question. From what I've been reading. I know that they fruit better with a deeper sub. But as far as size of fruits. So far my largest are around 4g dry. And those are big.

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I just pulled a huge 50g(wet)+ fruit off of a coir tray.
This tray is only an inch big, my coir monotub is only and inch thick too and it puts out pretty big fruits, a lot of them too.

Okay, I see what I can do better next time. I need to add more spawn to my coir and make it deeper. Being new at this I prefer the coir monotub over the PF-Tek cakes. The cakes are said to be better for newbies, but I think that monotubs are easier, JMO.

MsBBB said:

Okay, I see what I can do better next time. I need to add more spawn to my coir and make it deeper. Being new at this I prefer the coir monotub over the PF-Tek cakes. The cakes are said to be better for newbies, but I think that monotubs are easier, JMO.

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I like monotubs. Easy and can be made to be more reliable with practice. You may find the user Batcave style to be interesting since he fruits his monos like large cakes. He uses the same ingredients, but just fruits them outside of the pan/tray. Why not change it up once in a while?

I'm fairly new at this so I'm looking and learning, I may not use the correct terms, but feel free to correct my mistakes. I'm not into really big things, but it would be nice to grow some big mushrooms like some have posted. So far mine have been on the smaller side, but still potent.