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MrHydro

MrHydro

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I've gone to coco also. I find it is the best medium for growing hydro and still having a substrata that the roots can hold on to.
I have found that B'Cuzz coco coir feels most like dirt and has excellent water retention features while it still flushes clean easily at the end
of a cycle. Here is the link so you can look at it. (PS Great store to order from.....very helpful)
 
T

The All Day Toker

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hey everybody, I'm a newb to coco but I'm really looking forward to it...I've previously done DWC and I think monitoring all the BS is really somewhat of a beach...soo...

my friend who's been telling me forever that it's easy as heck has convinced me...I'm going to be using IONIC nutes, grow, bloom and boost...

I'm going to grab some clones...probably durban poison and Island Sweet Skunk for this grow...

I'm going to try and get the "royal gold?" mix from the grow shop...can somebody tell me...

I want to eventually flower in 3 gallon pots or close to...So....can I just fill a 3 gallon bucket from the get go...put the clones in there...water...and then nutes in a few days???

My friend says it's very easy and harder to F up...but that seems way easy...I want to get these chicks going without stretch and B.s....thx
 
#1Raiderfan420

#1Raiderfan420

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jberry said:
You can reuse coco with shooting powder if you flushed the coco and you wait until the new plants are big and old enough to handle any remnants left behind... If they are over 10 inches tall and at least 3 weeks old then it usually wont effect the grow.

I start the plants in small 4" pots using fresh coco then transplant to the old used coco when the plants are big enough to hang.
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Hey Berry when you re-use your coir, do you clean all the old roots out? I thought about re-using last run, but it was all roots.
 
ZEN MASTER

ZEN MASTER

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#1raiderfan420 said:
hey berry when you re-use your coir, do you clean all the old roots out? I thought about re-using last run, but it was all roots.
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the best way ive found is to take the coco out of the pot, get a large tote, or spead out some plastic or something, sit it down and around the sides lightly pat the coco until it starts to loosen up. As it get loose it will be easy to shake the coco(lightly) into, or onto whatever you choose to catch it. That will help with all the larger roots, you wont be able to eliminate all of the roots. But that will get the vast majority.and when youre done , if you choose, treat it with some CANNAZYM. Also wait till it is dry. Because whe its wet or damp it has proven to be too heavy for the roots to hold together, and most of the time when you try to pull it out of the pot it will break in half. Or if you do manage to get it out, as you try to loosen it up it will start to break up(even worse) into small chunks of coco mixed with roots. Then it is a nightmare to try and separate the two. Hope that helps.


Peace!!!
-zen-
 
#1Raiderfan420

#1Raiderfan420

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Thanks Zen, I have had both experences..breaks in half and and in peices. I always use shooting powder, so I have been weary of re-using, but I may try Berry's advice and use it after they have matured a bit as a transplant medium. I appreciate the detailed description and advice.
 
ZEN MASTER

ZEN MASTER

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Silky Shagsalot said:
why do you say that? i've used canna and most of the others and find b'cuzz superior to the others. i won't even touch the brick stuff...
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in my opinion, ok. "my" opinion.
i didnt like the way it drains-too slow,the way it dries-too hard, and in a side by side the yeild was less thean with the Canna Coco.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
 
Silky Shagsalot

Silky Shagsalot

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ZEN MASTER said:
in my opinion, ok. "my" opinion.
i didnt like the way it drains-too slow,the way it dries-too hard, and in a side by side the yeild was less thean with the Canna Coco.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
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since the air capacity of coco is what, 30%? that should mean all coco drains at the same saturation rate, unless there were something mixed in with it. i don't use any canna products. i stopped years ago when i found they started watering down their coco a&b nutes. i hate money grubbers!!!
 
ZEN MASTER

ZEN MASTER

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Silky Shagsalot said:
since the air capacity of coco is what, 30%? that should mean all coco drains at the same saturation rate, unless there were something mixed in with it. i don't use any canna products. i stopped years ago when i found they started watering down their coco a&b nutes. i hate money grubbers!!!
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wow, i did not know that. not questioing your honesty or anything, but where did you see that .i would definitley like to see that, and find out more about it.
btw what A-B nutes are you using now? does it give better results/yeild?


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
 
Silky Shagsalot

Silky Shagsalot

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ZEN MASTER said:
wow, i did not know that. not questioing your honesty or anything, but where did you see that .i would definitley like to see that, and find out more about it.
btw what A-B nutes are you using now? does it give better results/yeild?PEACE!!!-ZEN-
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i use house and garden now, and a few of their supplements. this coco info. is a cut and paste job from g. low's book, "integral hydroponics." my nute store turned me onto some free h&g samples a couple years ago. been sold ever since.
 
ZEN MASTER

ZEN MASTER

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Silky Shagsalot said:
i use house and garden now, and a few of their supplements. this coco info. is a cut and paste job from g. low's book, "integral hydroponics." my nute store turned me onto some free h&g samples a couple years ago. been sold ever since.

COCO COIR
is a product derived from the husks of the coconut.
Visually it looks like peat.
It's air capacity is about 30%.
Coir is most suited as a run to waste medium.
Coir can become saturated and it is not truly inert medium.
This means that the nutrient will change over a short period (due to the nutrient collecting micro and macro elements as it passes through the coir.
Coir tends to release potassium and to withold calcium.
For this reason it is desirable to use a nutrient that is blended specifically for coir.
Coir has a remarkable capacity to protect the plants root system in times of heat.
It also tends to promote vigorous and healthy root development.
Plant growth tends to be very consistant with coir.
Coir is very tolerant of over and under watering, which makes it a very forgiving growing medium.
Coir has a very strong cation exchange ability, which means it can hold and release nutrient elements based on the plants needs.
Coir tends to retain nutrient salts. because of this, less nutrient (lower ec) is required.
On a less positive note, coir can also contain high levels of sodium (salt)....
If your growing in coir be aware that this can be a potential problem.
Either purchase a pre-flushed coir product or flush ph (5.5-6.0) stabilised water through the coir prior to use.
Measure the ec of the water and then measure the ec of the run off.
When they are the same, it is ready for use.
Large amounts of potassium are naturally present in coir.
Potassium competes with calcium and magnesium... buffering and plant nutrition needs to compensate for this!!
For this reason there are several nutrients that are specifically formulated with the coco coir's unique characteristics in mind.
By using a nutrient specifically formulated for the coir based system, you are ensuring that your plants are receiving the best possible nutritient package.
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actually i meant the watering down the nutes comment you made. how did you find out they were watering it down?


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
 
statik

statik

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I ran my last grow in Bcuzz, and my current in Canna. All I can say is there is INDEED a quality diff. I had to flush salts out of the Bcuzz, the Canna was good to go. I also dont like how dark looking Bcuzz is, it just appears to be a lower quality product to me. There is even a difference in the texture of the two coco's, which might explain how one coco might drain better than another. IDK, sounds good doesn't it?
 
Silky Shagsalot

Silky Shagsalot

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ooops, sorry dude. i had a little pre-marked plastic cup for a 5 gallon rez, so i wouldn't have to spoon it out repeatedly. on my next trip to the nute store i got the same stuff, but it didn't come to the same ppm when i checked it. it was like 100+ ppm less.
 
patlpp

patlpp

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Check out the Advanced Nutrient web site. They have a PDF that has a pretty good write-up on coco and that they are in the process of coming up with a coco specific line. About page 129 http://advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/docs/AdvancedNutrients-TheSystemMagalog.pdf

They do not recommend one using the AN base products for coco. I'm no fan but that does say a little about integrity since other companies will flat out lie that their non-coco specific nutes are compatable with coco
 
ZEN MASTER

ZEN MASTER

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Silky Shagsalot said:
ooops, sorry dude. i had a little pre-marked plastic cup for a 5 gallon rez, so i wouldn't have to spoon it out repeatedly. on my next trip to the nute store i got the same stuff, but it didn't come to the same ppm when i checked it. it was like 100+ ppm less.
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Oook, i get you. man you almost had me going to my hydro guy after work to find out what was going on. but i see what you mean.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
 
ZEN MASTER

ZEN MASTER

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#1Raiderfan420 said:
Thanks Zen, I have had both experences..breaks in half and and in peices. I always use shooting powder, so I have been weary of re-using, but I may try Berry's advice and use it after they have matured a bit as a transplant medium. I appreciate the detailed description and advice.
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Dude, checked out your journal, oh baby. a screen full of tops. i want it. i just got two questions, on supercropping, and topping.
first how tall do you let them get before you bend them, and two, the nodes on that strain looks pretty close together. how many nodes do you let ithem get up to before you top them. btw nice screen


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-​
 
jberry

jberry

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patlpp said:
Check out the Advanced Nutrient web site. They have a PDF that has a pretty good write-up on coco and that they are in the process of coming up with a coco specific line. About page 129 http://advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/docs/AdvancedNutrients-TheSystemMagalog.pdf

They do not recommend one using the AN base products for coco. I'm no fan but that does say a little about integrity since other companies will flat out lie that their non-coco specific nutes are compatable with coco
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A.N. already made a coco nutrient called "monkey juice" ...It has since been removed from the market (just like a lot of their products) and is no longer available.

Although they are right in saying that the coco formula should be low in K and high in Calcium and Magnesium. If you look closely, you can see that most nutrient companies claiming their product is a "coco nutrient" are usually still high in K... Do the math and find out what the final NPK ratio is.
 
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