CO2 extraction

Moses777

Moses777

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I am hoping that anyone with experience in Co2 extraction may be able to help me out. I am partnering up with a grower and we would are looking into purchasing the following Apeks machine: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apeks-Supercritical-1500-1L-Closed-Loop-CO2-Botanical-Oil-Extraction-System-/251454864373

Could anyone please let me know how much oil can be yielded from 1 lb of cannabis using this apeks machine? Also, are there generic cartridges which we could fill which would be compatible with various vape pens?

Thank you! Moses
 
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houstonblowskush

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I've seen the closed loop extraction set up they have. I know nothing about this subject but how does one turn the oil that's extracted to a shatter? Vaccum oven.

Don't mean to derail your post, just a newbie question
 
SnapsProvolone

SnapsProvolone

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houstonblowskush said:
I've seen the closed loop extraction set up they have. I know nothing about this subject but how does one turn the oil that's extracted to a shatter? Vaccum oven.

Don't mean to derail your post, just a newbie question
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You don't get shatter from co2 oil as it's flavor lacking decarbed permagoo ime.
 
Fadedawg

Fadedawg

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Cannabis SCFE CO2 extraction is still in its infancy, and what comes out is permagoo full of water and wax, but I am starting to see products from CO2 extraction that have excellent smell, taste, and effects, even if it wasn't purdy.

The CO2 extractors that I consult with, are all product e-pen carts, so looks aren't as critical. They use various techniques to dewater, ranging from drying trays to vacuum ovens, and if they dewax, they winterize with ethanol, or fractionate on the way down to separate the molecules longer than a Diterpene cannabinoid from the end product.

Patrick at Eden Labs marveled me with some samples that he had fractionated, where he had isolated the mono terpenes from the diterpenes as well, and then added back just enough of the monoterpenes to give it a good aroma and flavor, but not overwhelm the senses with excess.

It would have hands down won a blindfold test for aroma, flavor, and effects, with the THC in the diterpene concentrate in the high nineties percentile, before dilution with the monterpenes.

I had previously medicated and the head effects from Pat's sample drove right over the top of everything else present.

Alas, the equipment to do so is expensive and it is slow compared to HC extraction, so it will be difficult for it to be competitive on a cost per gram basis, and a ways to come to have the same curb appeal, but I expect to see some killer products emerge with all the fertile minds focused on it.
 
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pixelpainter

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I recently looked at Eden Labs equipment which are also able to do Subcritical Extraction(I think Apex equipment also does this), Subcritical oils are much nicer and more pure, but make smaller yields.
 
Fadedawg

Fadedawg

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pixelpainter said:
I recently looked at Eden Labs equipment which are also able to do Subcritical Extraction(I think Apex equipment also does this), Subcritical oils are much nicer and more pure, but make smaller yields.
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Best monoterpene yield is subcritical and best overall yield is super critical, but also pulls along molecules larger than the diterpene cannabinoids, such as plant waxes, which need to be fractionated off or winterized out for top quality.
 
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pixelpainter

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Fadedawg said:
Best monoterpene yield is subcritical and best overall yield is super critical, but also pulls along molecules larger than the diterpene cannabinoids, such as plant waxes, which need to be fractionated off or winterized out for top quality.
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Thanks for the info! I am starting to learn about these processes and looking at setting a business up with one of these systems, but I still have a long way to go. :) I know Eden Labs has a process for extracting the rest of the waxes etc... After looking you up, I found your blog! An amazing resource, thank you so much :)
 
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oilmkr420

oilmkr420

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Fadedawg said:
Best monoterpene yield is subcritical and best overall yield is super critical, but also pulls along molecules larger than the diterpene cannabinoids, such as plant waxes, which need to be fractionated off or winterized out for top quality.
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Top quality is first hit w subcritical co2 along w a variety of co-solvents to optimize yields and flavors and done around 800-1200 psi. It is not done supercritical then filtered as some things don't come out and since filters clogging are the next issue dealt w. The best extractions are done w low temperature and high pressure. Shops focus on yield and potency isn't as important.
 
Bublonichronic

Bublonichronic

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WarMachine said:
Beautiful work. Would love to hear more about your tech you use to achieve this. This must be made with beautiful nugs.
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Thx man, it was made with some lower popcorn nuggs I just didn't feel like trimming off my Power Africa, its prolly my favorite strain, defiantly the stinkiest iv grown and has a nice high
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Bublonichronic

Bublonichronic

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Oh yea my bad, I just used the 220 with a couple large pieces of dry ice, no bucket, and only shook it for like 20-30 seconds, fresh material makes a big difference I think, and don't let it sit and freeze for to long, the tricomes freeze a lot faster then the plant matter and that's all yu want
 
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