Club Vert(600)

Now I will just need to see if I can do this room some justice, lol. It seems so big inside when it's empty that I can't imagine even filling half of it up anymore. I'm very excited to see how this run goes. This may end up going perpetual depending on how many plants I end up with. I'm thinking the clones should all be rooted and seeds all sprouted by this weekend. It will partly depend on how many males I get out of the Peacock seeds though.
Perpetual would really be cool now that I am just growing for personal smoke so I'm hopeful I can find the time and a new veg light to make it happen. I liked having this room running perpetual before so it would be great to see it full of plants again. Last time I had shelves and two 600s in there. I'm not sure how shelves would work with a single light source that doesn't move.

Im not knocking anybodies grow on here but most of the verts that i have seen on here are not even vertical grows you could easly build a proper vert system with some 2"x2" and 2"x4" wood that way you have shelfs to support ur plants when ur plants just sit on the ground and you slap a light in the middle of it how does that make it a vert it doesnt and a vert is a bunch of smaller plants that way you can get more under less light thats the whole purpose of a vert i have been growing vert style for over 6 yrs im passionate about my style of growing and of course my growing of quality

your style of vert is just that,your style.....
are you saying big plants can not be grown vert?

It's all about perspective, IMO. For some people vert growing just means hanging the light that way. For some it means growing your plants up the walls from the floor and for some it means a multi level system. To me, they are all vert setups even though they're different. I've had shelves in mine with plants on the floor too and I've had multi level hydro systems. This time I will just have some on the floor and some propped up on blocks that will be tied back to my screen. I still consider it a vert grow because the plants are receiving their light from the vertically hung bulb.

Dezracer said:

It's all about perspective, IMO. For some people vert growing just means hanging the light that way. For some it means growing your plants up the walls from the floor and for some it means a multi level system. To me, they are all vert setups even though they're different. I've had shelves in mine with plants on the floor too and I've had multi level hydro systems. This time I will just have some on the floor and some propped up on blocks that will be tied back to my screen. I still consider it a vert grow because the plants are receiving their light from the vertically hung bulb.

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well put dez

laced23z said:

Im not knocking anybodies grow on here but most of the verts that i have seen on here are not even vertical grows you could easly build a proper vert system with some 2"x2" and 2"x4" wood that way you have shelfs to support ur plants when ur plants just sit on the ground and you slap a light in the middle of it how does that make it a vert it doesnt and a vert is a bunch of smaller plants that way you can get more under less light thats the whole purpose of a vert i have been growing vert style for over 6 yrs im passionate about my style of growing and of course my growing of quality

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I always love the comments when people first try and make themselves out to not be crapping on others. I don't normally tell people to stfu, but please, stfu! or as we say in the Netherlands, "hou je bek man!" So what, you have to have shelves to have a vertical grow, with a zillion small plants on them. Well here's a VERTICAL grow with 6 plants, + 1 that has been removed to take the picture (for this grow I removed the shelves I previously had). The plants are all in probably what you would class as 5gallon pots. Try and tell me that this is not vertical growing.

Oh, and please try and take a breath (or insert a full stop/period) when you are typing, it might not make you sound so 2x4! BTW, a 2x4 is a short thick plank, incase you didn't understand that. Now go back to your vertical grow and next time, try and be nice to people and not throw out underhand comments.
Pic of my plants on the ground with a couple of lights flung in the middle.....ahahahahaha.


slainte, DST

How did this vertical grow start, hummmm, well back in early 2000 on OverGrow.com and Cannabis World.com we did Scrog and Sog, a lot talked about yields and plant count in the method of growing. Now Shelf growing was another type in limited space. Lights can be hung vertically or horizontally and some only one way.
The idea of vertical growing really only referred to the Scrog method back than. It was a horizontal screen or a vertical screen because the plant grow vertically naturally regardless of how the light is hung.
Trellising the plant was up against the walls and if you did four of them in a grow are with vertically hung bulbs than you increased your sq ft of grow area that the plants covered and could get the bud facing the light where it counts the most.
Now I seen the coliseum grow system, as a Scroger, well I went from a horizontal screen to a vertical screen. I think a few others worked with the idea also, but I built a metal frame to wrap a screen round it increasing the sq ft of grow area. 2' x 6' screen = 12 sq ft and the system took only a 3 sq ft area and set on a lazy suesan. The idea was it spun around for wheelchair access. I wanted to help those that needed a system they could work and grow with.
Okay not saying "I invented vertical grow style" NOT at all, just it started back 11 to 12 years ago when a few took the horizontal screen and went vertical with it.
Hanging a screen from the ceiling to floor was a style of Trellising, or it could be would framed.
I agree with another's words, vertical is done many ways, just depends on ones style and need, but remember the plant grows vertical, so it is not the plant rather other factors in the grow set up, could be light, could be screen, but there is Trellis method and Shelfing methods all I seen back in early 2000 or sooner.
To me none of this is new, just a different twist to it, individualized. So please grow on and enjoy how you do it and share how you do it. There are tricks to learn for each method and we can only get better with each grow.

One other thing, not bad mouthing any one, but since 1998 I have learned that if you look and dig hard enough you will find that some one already tried or did what you think is new with this plant. I think the only think that comes up new is system designs, but the principal of how it works was already out there, again just a new individual twist to it. Even my rotating system was out done by a shelves along 3 walls for wheelchair access, this was improved with the wide door having shelves added to it, but it was a sog method on the selves in truth (small plants grown in high numbers for a yield) tagged wag for wall of green. This was done in 2004 up in Canada for my friend and I am sure sooner by some one else.

That's interesting stuff. I like the setup you're running too.

Thanks for posting in here.

Here's the problem. This is my first grow and I have have made some interesting mistakes.

First mistake.. I didn't know how big these plants could get. I pretty much thought they would be like 3 feet tall, and I might get maybe an ounce off each plant.

Next mistake... grew them from seeds on a T5. Was told not to raise the light until the plants got close to touching it. The light light was 8 inches when they started growing and I have not moved until two days ago. I moved it up 24 inches and the plants grew 9 inches in TWO DAYS.... oh holy mother of god.. now I am scared. They are truly growing like weeds. I dont have the flowering room ready!

Third mistake.. I can only grow twelve plants at a time. So, I decided to grow 12 seeds. (idiot.. idiot.. idiot)

I've attached a couple of photos from what I am doing. I am right in the middle of changing this room into a flowering room. Right now I have the lights on Veg, with a T5 light.

Fourth mistake ... read lots of posts about scrogging and so I decided to go that way. I figured I could control the growth. So I developed two different types of scrog screens. Four that are flat and 8 that are vertical. The first four go together. The other 8 will go around the first four. I'll hang a grow light in the center. My thinking is that the grow lights are always around a center, so why not make the floor area a grow space as well.

After I built the scrog screens and see how big the plants will be, I am stunned.

Here is my problem question... will plants that are around and under a light grow better if the light is vertical, or if the light is hanging normally? I have a tube light that can be used either way.

I've put in a photo of the room that I am currently building. My plan is to have the four flat scrogs will go in the white tray, its a 4x4 foot tray, the other eight, on 2x4 foot frames will be vertical around it. Light will hang in center. Do I hang the 1000 watt light vertical or horizontal? I also have a 4 foot light track. I am not confined to keeping plants in the tray, just the ones with the flat scrogs. I'm working in 5 gallon air pots (god those are expensive), and when I started growing, I thought that 12 plants in 5 gallon pots would fit under a light for a 4 x 4 space. It's taken until the plants got bigger than I realized what an idiot I am. Can a total novice do this?

Will this set up get enough lights to the plants that are vertical and are about 3 feet from the 1000watt light?

They are 36 days old from seed. The strains are LSD, THC Pro, Pineapple Chunk, Juicy Fruity Chronic, Cotton Candy, Candy Kush and Strawberry Blu Diesel. I have looped them every other day checking for bugs. PH is kept at 6.2, running 1200 PPM using xtream nutes. (which I do not like).

Am I off base? Will this work?

I would continue and hang the light vertically. The plants with the horizontal screens will still be fine to grow under a vertically hung light. The only spot that might not be the greatest is directly under the light that hangs vertically. I think it should work, all you are basically doing is utilising the floor space as well as the vertical space, so it's more like a Stadium grow, which is just another term for the same thing. If your access is goog to the plants and you can move them (which it looks like you can) you should be fine. What dimensions for the flower area are you using?

DST said:

I would continue and hang the light vertically. The plants with the horizontal screens will still be fine to grow under a vertically hung light. The only spot that might not be the greatest is directly under the light that hangs vertically. I think it should work, all you are basically doing is utilising the floor space as well as the vertical space, so it's more like a Stadium grow, which is just another term for the same thing. If your access is goog to the plants and you can move them (which it looks like you can) you should be fine. What dimensions for the flower area are you using?

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The room dimension isnt the limitation, its the light. The room is 12 x 9.5. I have a 4x4 tray that I do ebb and flow with. I have a 1000wt HPS, an Apollo LED , and a 400 gavita lights. I want to grow with black dog led. I am only using these lights for this single grow. So, my plan is to put the 1000watt vertical, and then above it on a 4 ft track hang the led. I dont think the LED I have is very good, or do I know if it is good at all, so was just going to use it as fill light. I have four wall fans, and a 1400 BTU air conditioner in a sealed room.

If you can get the plants under the SCROG screen now and start training them it would be great. If your plant seems extra long, bring the branch up to the screen and bend 90 degrees and run the branch horizontally on the under side of the screen. Leave about a inch or two of the top so it pokes up thru the hole in the screen. Once it grows a few more inchs you move it over to the next hole. You can wind the branch tops all over the screen this way placing the tops where you want them.
Also remember once your under the screen you do not have to get every branch trained under the screen. You can just remove smaller ones and excessive growth out of the way. Some like to top the plant when using the scrog method and others do not.
Your area will work fine from what I read.

only1realhigh said:

If you can get the plants under the SCROG screen now and start training them it would be great. If your plant seems extra long, bring the branch up to the screen and bend 90 degrees and run the branch horizontally on the under side of the screen. Leave about a inch or two of the top so it pokes up thru the hole in the screen. Once it grows a few more inchs you move it over to the next hole. You can wind the branch tops all over the screen this way placing the tops where you want them.
Also remember once your under the screen you do not have to get every branch trained under the screen. You can just remove smaller ones and excessive growth out of the way. Some like to top the plant when using the scrog method and others do not.
Your area will work fine from what I read.

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"Tall" isnt my problem... "Short" is. I left the T5 light on them for a very long time. As a n00b, I didnt know that I had to continue to raise the light. I was told I needed to wait until the plants got close to the light. So.. they just got fatter, and fatter. Attached is a photo.. look at the stem. Its nearly thicker than a screwdriver, and the plant is just barely 12 inches tall. I think plants are more bendable after they get a drink, so I am going to transplant tomorrow after they get watered. I am going to go for the scrog. Thanks much for your tips.

Almost forgot.. in the two days since I raised the light, they have grown nearly 6 inches. Its been like watching time-lapsed photography... totally freakin amazing.

Each person finds their method of what they do. I used to raise my plants under the T5 lamp until they reached sexual majurity. Basically kept them on 18 hours of light until they should me their sex, than I moved them under a 400 watt hps lamp for more serious vegy stage before topping and flowering them.
If you get a harden stem, rolling it between your fingers and a pinching pressure will make it more plyable for the bend, others just move the top to a new hole in the screen, but I always preferred a full screen and took the branch to the screen and than bent it 90 degrees to run horizontally with the screen. When new branchs grow of that one you train them out to other holes in the screen filling it up and making it a screen of buds under the light. Spacing them apart is another thing one needs to learn as to many tops to close together means alot of smaller buds to trim, and this does not always mean more weight for the grow. The best to you JazzLady.

If short is your problem, Jazzlady. like, Only1realhigh said get them under the screen and start to train them. Do you know what sort of stretch the strains have in flower? It's always difficult to estimate when to flip when running new strains in a vertical set up..
I am not sure if I would bother adding a horizontally hung light when you have a 1k light shining out vertically. Again, something you can see when plants are in situ.I prefer doing things in a hand on way and then amending as I go along.

Some 3x crazy and querkle

A little vertical goodness to start the morning...

well shake yo tail feather.........

These were taken a couple of days ago. I've since done done some light topping of the Peacocks (right hand side).