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Outdoorindica

Outdoorindica

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While I have been successful without a ph pen, having your ph absolutely exact WILL make a difference. I wont even say it might, I will go out on a limb and say it WILL. Unless your ph is already in the proper range. My well water comes out around 5.4, add in nutes and it drops even more. If I didnt ph, I would fuck my plants up bad, Ive done it before. If you dont have to adjust your ph, your are one lucky sob, that doesnt come down to skill, it just comes down to your water luckily being in the proper range. Good frosty ass nugs like that Bolo Kush is some skill, but the ph being proper without adjustment is just plain luck. Add in humic/fulvic acid, and it drops into the 3 range, let me see your plants do good still without phing that. They WILL wilt fast. Even if your soil contains the proper stuff to control ph, it wont be able to adjust it fast enough to save those roots. Now when I use Deuce Deuce Natural from Humboldt Nutrients, I dont have to adjust it, it goes into the perfect range on its own. I wont call that skill at all, its luck that it levels out there, has nothing to do with anything Im doing. Not to take away from anyone, but this is something I posted about before, if you dont have to ph, your lucky. If you had my water, you would have too, simple as that. If you didnt, your plants would suffer. Apparently the rain water is perfect. 5.9 is an acceptable range for just water. Now if you were to add nutes, you would probably have to adjust it, since its a water into composted soil kinda of method, your golden. Thats actually fucking perfect, not having to add nutes, or ph, thats a dream. Reminds me of my outdoor days, never ph'd and hardly fed. Used water from a local pond, and it never did anything negative to my ladies, they always loved it. Also I should say, if your teas were as dark as mine, a test kit will do nothing for you, a ph pen is the only way for an accurate reading. @DST I would say the yellowing came from the ph drop that occured when you added nutes to your water, and no ph adjustment, thats why its been perfect without the nutes, because your ph is at a great level. With your current setup, you dont have to ph, which I am jealous of!! And that Bolo Kush looks fire, but my GFK, Acid, and Heribei have the frost beat on that lady at 4 weeks into flowering!!! They are special ladies of enormous frost, is that Bolo Kush available it seed form by any chance? Id like a crack at that chunky ass lady!
 
billcollector99

billcollector99

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Outdoorindica said:
While I have been successful without a ph pen, having your ph absolutely exact WILL make a difference. I wont even say it might, I will go out on a limb and say it WILL. Unless your ph is already in the proper range. My well water comes out around 5.4, add in nutes and it drops even more. If I didnt ph, I would fuck my plants up bad, Ive done it before. If you dont have to adjust your ph, your are one lucky sob, that doesnt come down to skill, it just comes down to your water luckily being in the proper range. Good frosty ass nugs like that Bolo Kush is some skill, but the ph being proper without adjustment is just plain luck. Add in humic/fulvic acid, and it drops into the 3 range, let me see your plants do good still without phing that. They WILL wilt fast. Even if your soil contains the proper stuff to control ph, it wont be able to adjust it fast enough to save those roots. Now when I use Deuce Deuce Natural from Humboldt Nutrients, I dont have to adjust it, it goes into the perfect range on its own. I wont call that skill at all, its luck that it levels out there, has nothing to do with anything Im doing. Not to take away from anyone, but this is something I posted about before, if you dont have to ph, your lucky. If you had my water, you would have too, simple as that. If you didnt, your plants would suffer. Apparently the rain water is perfect. 5.9 is an acceptable range for just water. Now if you were to add nutes, you would probably have to adjust it, since its a water into composted soil kinda of method, your golden. Thats actually fucking perfect, not having to add nutes, or ph, thats a dream. Reminds me of my outdoor days, never ph'd and hardly fed. Used water from a local pond, and it never did anything negative to my ladies, they always loved it. Also I should say, if your teas were as dark as mine, a test kit will do nothing for you, a ph pen is the only way for an accurate reading. @DST I would say the yellowing came from the ph drop that occured when you added nutes to your water, and no ph adjustment, thats why its been perfect without the nutes, because your ph is at a great level. With your current setup, you dont have to ph, which I am jealous of!! And that Bolo Kush looks fire, but my GFK, Acid, and Heribei have the frost beat on that lady at 4 weeks into flowering!!! They are special ladies of enormous frost, is that Bolo Kush available it seed form by any chance? Id like a crack at that chunky ass lady!
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Id love to see pics of those frost beasts - Do they look like this?



And if you are using nutes that are Ph buffered, you dont have to worry about them fucking with the Ph. Sounds like the nutes you are using just cause mad swings to your ph. I personally would rather use something I dont have to worry about just feed and forget ;)
 
CampUnderDog

CampUnderDog

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DST said:
all this talk or rain water being too acidic, I should really ph it at some point. But since I had burn one time it may have just been that particular rain fall, or perhaps the nutes that I added changing the ph, I am not sure. All I can say is that I have been using it for some time (years) without too many problems. May be one day I'll get a ph pen....
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I have been growing three years without Ph. I have grown hydro, aero, fog, and soil... and not used a ph pen. so far... so good. oh there have certainly been bumps in the road... but all in all... water is water... and i always give less nutes then recommended. so far this cycle my girls are like 95% green... knock on wood. Best cycle so far.

Ordered that Exhale bag yesterday... and Heads Up, you are right... their communication is great. they send doubles of everything. *crossing fingers hoping they send two exhale bags ;) *

Today I went and got some Yeast... and a little more molasses, and made a little CO2 booster thing. I know what many people will say to this, it's not efficient... doesn't do much... but ya know... a little CO2 is better than no CO2... same way I feel about the exhale bag. If it gives it more than it had... then it is a good thing, because they breathe CO2... and in an enclosed, or partially enclosed area like mine, with all those plants, I am sure they feel almost suffocated... kinda like me when I have more than 2-3 people in my smoke room at once.

I made a double chamber set up... or actually revived an old double chamber setup from when I used to CO2 Boost them with vinegar and baking soda. I have it set up to drizzle over my clones and sprouts, and have a fan blowing that air towards the rest of my plants... so the sprouts and clones get it first, and then on to the rest of the plants. If it works even a little its worth it. cost me like 10 bux to set that up.

Gonna just hang the Exhale bag at the back of the 3x3 flowering tent, between UnderDog and Hollands Hope, and right above the Whore. Pictures and more updates later. enough of my rambling for now.
 
CampUnderDog

CampUnderDog

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strictly seedleSs said:
Im never going to use a hood again, bare bulb vert FOREVER!!!!
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I am setting up a cool tube vert setup at a buddies house in the next few weeks... and when I move, I am gonna carbon copy YOUR grow room setup SS. I LOVE IT. I have dreamed of a room like that ever since you first posted pics of it :) I have sketched it out... planned and made minor adjustments. Wanna do a 4 x 8 room like yours, with 2 vert 600 hps and 1 vert 400 cmh in the middle... I wanna vert sooo bad...
 
afrawfraw

afrawfraw

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CampUnderDog said:
I have been growing three years without Ph. I have grown hydro, aero, fog, and soil... and not used a ph pen. so far... so good. oh there have certainly been bumps in the road... but all in all... water is water... and i always give less nutes then recommended. so far this cycle my girls are like 95% green... knock on wood. Best cycle so far.

Ordered that Exhale bag yesterday... and Heads Up, you are right... their communication is great. they send doubles of everything. *crossing fingers hoping they send two exhale bags ;) *

Today I went and got some Yeast... and a little more molasses, and made a little CO2 booster thing. I know what many people will say to this, it's not efficient... doesn't do much... but ya know... a little CO2 is better than no CO2... same way I feel about the exhale bag. If it gives it more than it had... then it is a good thing, because they breathe CO2... and in an enclosed, or partially enclosed area like mine, with all those plants, I am sure they feel almost suffocated... kinda like me when I have more than 2-3 people in my smoke room at once.

I made a double chamber set up... or actually revived an old double chamber setup from when I used to CO2 Boost them with vinegar and baking soda. I have it set up to drizzle over my clones and sprouts, and have a fan blowing that air towards the rest of my plants... so the sprouts and clones get it first, and then on to the rest of the plants. If it works even a little its worth it. cost me like 10 bux to set that up.

Gonna just hang the Exhale bag at the back of the 3x3 flowering tent, between UnderDog and Hollands Hope, and right above the Whore. Pictures and more updates later. enough of my rambling for now.
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I wouldn't knock Bio CO2 generators! They have shroom buckets, that use CO2 expelled from mushrooms. Never used one myself, but I've seen rooms that employ a few, and the CO2 was above 800!
 
strictly seedleSs

strictly seedleSs

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sounds like a great plan Camp. cant wait to see it. if you are going to use 4" pipe i would suggest going with the cheaper irrigation run off pipe. it was less than $100 for my pipe and couplers.
 
afrawfraw

afrawfraw

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billcollector99 said:
I dont understand the allure of using co2... what is standard ppm of co2 in the air we breathe?
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Depending on the environment, between 4-500. CO2 is like a nutrient in the air, so to speak. It is ingested and utilized for cell multiplication. The more CO2, the faster the cell construction, assuming CO2 is the limiting factor.

I'm not saying GREAT results can not be achieved without CO2 enrichment. I'm saying once you've tuned in everything else, this is your limiting factor.
 
billcollector99

billcollector99

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afrawfraw said:
Depending on the environment, between 3-400. CO2 is like a nutrient in the air, so to speak. It is ingested and utilized for cell multiplication. The more CO2, the faster the cell construction, assuming CO2 is the limiting factor.
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Does it change based on geographical location? And is being outside a factor as well?

2nd question, is do the benefits outweigh the cost involved in running co2?
 
afrawfraw

afrawfraw

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billcollector99 said:
Does it change based on geographical location? And is being outside a factor as well?

2nd question, is do the benefits outweigh the cost involved in running co2?
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Being outside is different, yes. As far as location, it's more about pockets. The average atmosphere content is 400. But at a forest floor it can be as high as 600. In a windy desert, 300. As far as costs, it depends on who you ask. Personally, I feel it should be addressed last, and only in a carefully controlled environment. Outdoors, you would have to deliver it constantly by spaghetti tube. That's spendy, and cold. If your an outside grower, you have far less to worry about. Indoor growers are magicians trying to pull the wool over mother natures eyes.
 
billcollector99

billcollector99

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afrawfraw said:
Being outside is different, yes. As far as location, it's more about pockets. The average atmosphere content is 400. But at a forest floor it can be as high as 600. In a windy desert, 300. As far as costs, it depends on who you ask. Personally, I feel it should be addressed last, and only in a carefully controlled environment. Outdoors, you would have to deliver it constantly by spaghetti tube. That's spendy, and cold. If your an outside grower, you have far less to worry about. Indoor growers are magicians trying to pull the wool over mother natures eyes.
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Not necessarily outside, but in a shed outside, or a sealed greenhouse...

I guess that is more of a luck thing on my part, that i dont have to shut the grow inside the house, away from fresh air.

I see how it would be useful in a sealed environment. I just have never had the oppurtunity to grow like that yet.
 
afrawfraw

afrawfraw

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billcollector99 said:
Not necessarily outside, but in a shed outside, or a sealed greenhouse...

I guess that is more of a luck thing on my part, that i dont have to shut the grow inside the house, away from fresh air.

I see how it would be useful in a sealed environment. I just have never had the oppurtunity to grow like that yet.
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Fresh air is best. It's free. I WISH I could green house my grow. :-(
 
afrawfraw

afrawfraw

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Someone mentioned a vertical grow. This, with deeper pockets, would rock a Vert grow me thinx!
 
billcollector99

billcollector99

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Here is the downside. I envy the pristine growing environment of an indoor. Outside, prevention is key, but you cannot prevent against ALL bugs.
 
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