Club 315w lec

MichiganMedGrower · Feb 14, 2017

rkymtnman said:
that is a good deal.

i've seen tons of used CMH's on craigslist here in CO lately. $200 for a Sunlight in 240v. $500 for a Sulight 630 cmh. dude had like 30 of the 315's and 10 of the 630's.

I should have mentioned the galaxy is either or 110 or 220v. But it's different to buy used in MI. I should get my Colorado friend to keep an eye out. Worth a step down transformer for half price! :-)

I think the availability of the used is because of the false claim that it keeps up with a 600. I get 2.5 x2.5 feet in my open flower room and my 600's get a foot more area than that easily.

But the plants seem happier under it so I would just do 3 for 4x8 or 1 of each type of a 3.5 x 6 footprint. Which I think is my preference right now. But I have only been using the cmh a few months and the hps for a few years.

To mess up all of his I just bought a 600w hortilux blue to try in place of one of my hps.

Just had to do it. My 400w blue vegged killer. And the quality and natural look of my plants has definitely gone up a notch with the better spectrum.

DemonTrich · Feb 14, 2017

I run 4x315cmh in ac hoods. I can leave my hand on the glass for hours of any of then4 hoods and it's only warm to the touch. A ton cooler than my 600s I previously had in there.

My 1st 4x315cmh is on par with my previous 3x600hps yield averages. But using a lot less power to run the lights, and less ac usage.

rkymtnman · Feb 14, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
I think the availability of the used is because of the false claim that it keeps up with a 600. I get 2.5 x2.5 feet in my open flower room and my 600's get a foot more area than that easily.

i agree. i went from a 600 to teh 315. the 600 was better coverage in my 3x4 but the results were better with the 315.

right now i have a california light works SS400 and the 315 in the space. i'm thinking about adding another 315 and using the LED in my veg tent.

so many choices!

MichiganMedGrower said:
To mess up all of his I just bought a 600w hortilux blue to try in place of one of my hps.

that's the bulb i was mentioning in my last post. the spectrum looks perfect.

MichiganMedGrower · Feb 14, 2017

rkymtnman said:
one combo that might be cool to try out is a 3100k LEC and the Hortilux blue daylight MH. not sure if they make it in 600 though.

Funny you mention that. In next post.

MichiganMedGrower · Feb 14, 2017

DemonTrich said:
I run 4x315cmh in ac hoods. I can leave my hand on the glass for hours of any of then4 hoods and it's only warm to the touch. A ton cooler than my 600s I previously had in there.

My 1st 4x315cmh is on par with my previous 3x600hps yield averages. But using a lot less power to run the lights, and less ac usage.

That's pretty close to the 4x8 with 3 I was saying I think. And the sunlight supply reflector is very direct down as are my blockbusters. Not designed for a spread out footprint like an xxl reflector for example. So my area numbers only reflect that kind of reflector should be noted.

It's cool that these kind of details get flushed out. So many variables possible.

rkymtnman · Feb 14, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
Funny you mention that. In next post.

is the one you got the blue daylight MH?

MichiganMedGrower · Feb 14, 2017

rkymtnman said:
i agree. i went from a 600 to teh 315. the 600 was better coverage in my 3x4 but the results were better with the 315.

right now i have a california light works SS400 and the 315 in the space. i'm thinking about adding another 315 and using the LED in my veg tent.

so many choices!

that's the bulb i was mentioning in my last post. the spectrum looks perfect.

The 400w blue has the perfect spectrum. The 600 has more spikes than the full sunlight spectrum but all the way across the wavelengths nicely.

He 3 lamps are in an "L" and the outside 2 will have the more natural 90+cry bulbs and enhanced hps in the corner.

And I rotate the plants around continually as I care for them. So they all get lots of all spectrums through their cycle.

I tried finishing at first but like I said. In my room with my lamps the HPS is making more dense weight under the canopy so it is a compromise.

In most university testing watts or lumens trump spectrum as plants convert photosynthesis primarily to the strongest wavelength.

But th U of Utah proved more. That above that a good ballanced 50/50 blue to red light showed better growth and general health. But loss of yield with lower watts as usual.

Hence the 600w blue test. It raises my budget $100 per year if it works :-)

MichiganMedGrower · Feb 14, 2017

rkymtnman said:
is the one you got the blue daylight MH?

Yup.

rkymtnman · Feb 14, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
The 400w blue has the perfect spectrum. The 600 has more spikes than the full sunlight spectrum but all the way across the wavelengths nicely.

i'll have to check those out. 400 would actually be better since i'm limited on my amps in my room. i also saw that growershouse has a solis tek 600w 4K MH for like 50 bucks cheaper than the horti.

MichiganMedGrower said:
Hence the 600w blue test

when will you start the test? i'll follow along on that one.

WolfieLee · Feb 14, 2017

wow some good conversation now and a lot more info to consider.

They have the phantom 2 for 189 and the Company's specs say patented driver for longer bulb life...? any thoughts, otherwise identical to the unit in your $400 set up? Though I'm not sure i like the fact they have a pic of the Phantom I(?)

http://growershouse.com/phantom-ii-cmh-315w-ceramic-metal-halide-digital-ballast

rkymtnman · Feb 14, 2017

WolfieLee said:
wow some good conversation now and a lot more info to consider.

They have the phantom 2 for 189 and the Company's specs say patented driver for longer bulb life...? any thoughts, otherwise identical to the unit in your $400 set up? Though I'm not sure i like the fact they have a pic of the Phantom I(?)

http://growershouse.com/phantom-ii-cmh-315w-ceramic-metal-halide-digital-ballast

i personally wouldn't buy a Phantom. try to get a real Philips ballast and bulb. best combination out there.

rkymtnman · Feb 14, 2017

rkymtnman said:
i personally wouldn't buy a Phantom. try to get a real Philips ballast and bulb. best combination out there.

the philips ballast is only for 200 to 277 volts though. are you stuck with 120volts? you could buy a step up transformer to go from 120 to 240 for pretty cheap.

WolfieLee · Feb 14, 2017

...yeah philips reccomends the 3100K for flower, but there was something about the extra UV in the 4200 creating high quality as well... so that does sound like a good expiriment. A gardenmonster vid comparing both against the LEP (Light Emitting Plasma) stated these should be supplimental FLOWER lights...so am VERY interested in getting the pics back up here to check out your set-up for sure

MichiganMedGrower said:
...My pics and info have been going on since Black Friday...

rkymtnman said:
a 3100k LEC and the Hortilux blue daylight MH. not sure if they make it in 600 though.

Given that the 4200K cmh seems to get such high marks over HP MH...maybe a good combo to try as well would be one of each CMH 315s...?

WolfieLee · Feb 14, 2017

genuity said:
I said that cause most of the guys in the led section, don't really leave that section...and it is some good information in that section.

I don't Know but I might be leaning toward going the CMH route, after all, with 4 to 8 tubes of flower T5's......but HOW to set that up?! They say 18 inches above canopy is ideal for PPF guess I will sacrifice the T5s to higher than normal...

MichiganMedGrower · Feb 14, 2017

rkymtnman said:
i'll have to check those out. 400 would actually be better since i'm limited on my amps in my room. i also saw that growershouse has a solis tek 600w 4K MH for like 50 bucks cheaper than the horti.

when will you start the test? i'll follow along on that one.

I will install my new mh and hps bulbs tonight or tomorrow. If I do it tonight it will be like their tv commercial with the girl in the blue dress waiting for her husband to come home with all the candles arpund the house and he runs right past her to try his new bulb in the growroom. :-)

Valentine's Day and all.

rkymtnman · Feb 14, 2017

WolfieLee said:
...yeah philips reccomends the 3100K for flower, but there was something about the extra UV in the 4200 creating high quality as well... so that does sound like a good expiriment. A growmaster vid comparing both against the LEP (Light Emitting Plasma) stated these should be supplimental FLOWER lights...so am VERY interested in getting the pics back up here to check out your set-up for sure

Given that the 4200K cmh seems to get such high marks over HP MH...maybe a good combo to try as well would be one of each CMH 315s...?

yeah, i use the 4200k for veg and bloom. the guy i bought it from told me that he had better results with the 4200k over the 3100k even though the 3100k has better PAR values. i have the mogul socket based bulb which puts out even more UV than the T12 based bulbs.

MichiganMedGrower · Feb 14, 2017

WolfieLee said:
wow some good conversation now and a lot more info to consider.

They have the phantom 2 for 189 and the Company's specs say patented driver for longer bulb life...? any thoughts, otherwise identical to the unit in your $400 set up? Though I'm not sure i like the fact they have a pic of the Phantom I(?)

http://growershouse.com/phantom-ii-cmh-315w-ceramic-metal-halide-digital-ballast

I have read they all have the square wave but I tend to stick to sunlight supply stuff cause I already have.

The 110v may be a compromise under Phillips spec already. They only offer their ballast in 220 with a 6 foot cord. Mine is 110 capable with a 15 foot cord.

I haven't had a failure in 3 years with my Galaxy select a watt ballasts. So I am trying the LEC.

rkymtnman · Feb 14, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
I will install my new mh and hps bulbs tonight or tomorrow. If I do it tonight it will be like their tv commercial with the girl in the blue dress waiting for her husband to come home with all the candles arpund the house and he runs right past her to try his new bulb in the growroom.

Valentine's Day and all.

where did you find the 400?

according to growershouse, i can't use my solis tek ballast for the 600 blue MH for some reason. they recommend galaxy or horti ballast or magnetic even. wonder why??

rkymtnman · Feb 14, 2017

WolfieLee said:
I don't Know but I might be leaning toward going the CMH route, after all, with 4 to 8 tubes of flower T5's......but HOW to set that up?! They say 18 inches above canopy is ideal for PPF guess I will sacrifice the T5s to higher than normal...

use the t5's as side lighting and a cmh for above lighting. problem solved

MichiganMedGrower · Feb 14, 2017

rkymtnman said:
i'll have to check those out. 400 would actually be better since i'm limited on my amps in my room. i also saw that growershouse has a solis tek 600w 4K MH for like 50 bucks cheaper than the horti.

when will you start the test? i'll follow along on that one.

It's not going to be an official test or side by side. I run a perpetual with a plant harvested about every week on average.

So it will really be feedback from me, mrs med grower and some patients.

But they noticed the LEC difference and my tapering of feed more carefully during ripening without being told or even asked So......

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