Club 315w lec

MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Yodaweed said:
Yea spectrum is important in my opinion , i really like the 4200k bulb its really nice for seeing stuff under it and the plants seem to be growing beastly under it. 600w hps produces nearly 3x more lumens than those hortilux blue mh bulbs, i don't use hortilux mh bulbs anymore, they don't produce enough lumens for me to spend that kind of money on them, i got these el cheapo bulbs that produce like 2x more lumens (both MH) with a slightly less desirable spectrum. The 600w MH bulb i use produces 60k lumens vs 39k for the hortilux. A 600w HPS bulb produces 90k lumens so it's almost 3x more than that hortilux mh bulb, that could be why the weight + density wasn't good under that bulb. I like those hortilux mh bulbs for veg only.
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Yes I know the numbers but I wanted to see how much spectrum counts for myself.

And in every test for yield and density lumens always win. It's because plants transfer photosynthesis to the strongest wavelength regardless.

The full spectrum crowd doesn't want to believe this. But the university of Michigan has proven it time and time again.

But I still had to see. And the blue does seem to frost up the stuff a little more like the cmh.

Also I am using the 600w blue. The 400 has a better spectrum. The 600 is speced like an hps conversion bulb and does not have the same smooth curve. Or the same amount of uv if my tinting eye glasses are right. Way darker under the 400 blue.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Yes I know the numbers but I wanted to see how much spectrum counts for myself.

And in every test for yield and density lumens always win. It's because plants transfer photosynthesis to the strongest wavelength regardless.

The full spectrum crowd doesn't want to believe this. But the university of Michigan has proven it time and time again.

But I still had to see. And the blue does seem to frost up the stuff a little more like the cmh.

Also I am using the 600w blue. The 400 has a better spectrum. The 600 is speced like an hps conversion bulb and does not have the same smooth curve. Or the same amount of uv if my tinting eye glasses are right. Way darker under the 400 blue.
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I would agree, more quantity is always best , if i had higher ceilings i'd be using DE lights but my area only is 7 foot tall.
 
gr865

gr865

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MichiganMedGrower,

Just catching up on the forum and a few pages back you had some pics of buds. It looked like you are using LED's. Wondering if your using them in conjunction with the 315W.
My plans for this grow got all fucked so ended up doing two different strains and I am using both the SS400 LED and a 315 on angle. Seems to be working ok.
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I flip the plants every week, so each receives the same amount of each light.
Running DTW in coco.

GR
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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gr865 said:
MichiganMedGrower,

Just catching up on the forum and a few pages back you had some pics of buds. It looked like you are using LED's. Wondering if your using them in conjunction with the 315W.
My plans for this grow got all fucked so ended up doing two different strains and I am using both the SS400 LED and a 315 on angle. Seems to be working ok.
1/17/17
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I flip the plants every week, so each receives the same amount of each light.
Running DTW in coco.

GR
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Probably quite a few pages back now but I use 2 air cooled 600's. One hps. One mh. And I added the 315 recently. I had been documenting the upgrades and plants under them for a few months now.

The plants have all grown more compact and more resinous for sure. I grow and harvest a plant a week or so. I run a perpetual so it's easy to see the changes after a few plants run through.

I would suggest you follow Phillips and sun systems recommendation of hanging he lamp vertical as intended so the reflector works properly for heat and light reflection. Since ou move the plants they will still receive plenty of spectrums. That's how I do it anyway. That reflector was specifically designed for that bulb.

Your grow looks great by the way! :-)
 
Evil-Mobo

Evil-Mobo

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genuity said:
The DE 630 is a good bulb,in a AC/DE hood.,been using them since they hit my shop...
18-24" is good to me..4x4..
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What would you recommend for a 3x3?

I was running a blue mh 600 hortilux but my gold e ballast blew out it's the second one too. Need to get it replaced but the ballast blowing is killing me the 1K platinum ballast have never blown and run cooler but too much heat inside the 3x3 that's why I am not running them. Doing an led comparison run right now but still want to replace that 600 with a cmh style light. Is a single 315 really enough for the 3x3? Or would an air cooled 630 work?

I ran a SS 315 once and loved it only got rid of it when I switched the old space to 240v because I had a 120v unit. I just have a hard time believing the one 315 would be enough to run four plants for flower in a 3x3 no doubt for veg but talking about flower out for max yields.........

Thanks for the help
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Evil-Mobo said:
What would you recommend for a 3x3?

I was running a blue mh 600 hortilux but my gold e ballast blew out it's the second one too. Need to get it replaced but the ballast blowing is killing me the 1K platinum ballast have never blown and run cooler but too much heat inside the 3x3 that's why I am not running them. Doing an led comparison run right now but still want to replace that 600 with a cmh style light. Is a single 315 really enough for the 3x3? Or would an air cooled 630 work?

I ran a SS 315 once and loved it only got rid of it when I switched the old space to 240v because I had a 120v unit. I just have a hard time believing the one 315 would be enough to run four plants for flower in a 3x3 no doubt for veg but talking about flower out for max yields.........

Thanks for the help
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Under the SS remote reflector I can only flower 2 plants in 3 gallon pots. I will say it is almost as powerful as 600 hps at 2.5' x 2.5'. After that stretching plants lean in for more light. And it's weird the Hortilux ballast is problematic. They have a video showing an old galaxy failing with way more bulbs.

My galaxy runs the 400 and 600 blue fine. And it's run the Super hps for 3 years the whole time at 12/12 pretty much. No problem with that big bulbous 600 blue the first few months either.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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See 4 plants under each 600 but only 2 for the same results under the 315.

I tried 3 but when they get to my standard 2'x2' trained size they crowd each other too much. I lost yield and density when I tried it. I am back to 10 plants.

If I trained them slightly smaller it would work but of course it would still be 3 in my system.

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genuity

genuity

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Evil-Mobo said:
What would you recommend for a 3x3?

I was running a blue mh 600 hortilux but my gold e ballast blew out it's the second one too. Need to get it replaced but the ballast blowing is killing me the 1K platinum ballast have never blown and run cooler but too much heat inside the 3x3 that's why I am not running them. Doing an led comparison run right now but still want to replace that 600 with a cmh style light. Is a single 315 really enough for the 3x3? Or would an air cooled 630 work?

I ran a SS 315 once and loved it only got rid of it when I switched the old space to 240v because I had a 120v unit. I just have a hard time believing the one 315 would be enough to run four plants for flower in a 3x3 no doubt for veg but talking about flower out for max yields.........

Thanks for the help
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It's all about the way you grow...imo

This was a 2x2 tray,with a 3x3 canopy..9 1gal pots,screen....rich soil base.feed was tea/Neptune's harvest..9 weeks flower.
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This is when I first got the 315..when they first hit my shop...they was so new.
The first couple weeks of 12/12 the light was only running at 250 watts...the ballast was not all the way up..had to take it in,to let the turn it up ton the full power.

That's what's not talked about a lot...you can turn these lights power down,I do not know the difference on the bulb it will have,but I was getting just fine growth.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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genuity said:
It's all about the way you grow...imo

This was a 2x2 tray,with a 3x3 canopy..9 1gal pots,screen....rich soil base.feed was tea/Neptune's harvest..9 weeks flower.
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This is when I first got the 315..when they first hit my shop...they was so new.
The first couple weeks of 12/12 the light was only running at 250 watts...the ballast was not all the way up..had to take it in,to let the turn it up ton the full power.

That's what's not talked about a lot...you can turn these lights power down,I do not know the difference on the bulb it will have,but I was getting just fine growth.
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My galaxy ballast has a dimmer. I have read that with the square wave the spectrum doesn't degrade with less wattage.
 
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