cloning

bigdaddy86

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i got a dwc system and i picked off some lower fan leaves so that side growth will grow thicker. im still in veg stage a month and a half in. when the side growth grows out can you cut those and clone from them??



also using cfl and was wondering how close should i have the lights in this stage. it seems to be growing slow i thought i could flower at 2 months but plants dont seem big enough? let me know if you want some pics.
 

DannyGreenEyes

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If you're talking about cloning with fan leaves, then nope. The clipping has to have at least 1 node on it to clone otherwise (from what I'm told) you end up with a rooted fan leaf.

If your CFL is 32w or less you can put them as close as you can get them without actually touching the plant (per Seymour Buds). You can probably do the same for bulbs that are a bit stronger, but if you have one of those super 100w CFLs or something, then the light rule would apply, put your hand under the bulb where your plant is and if it feels comfortable to you, then it should be ok for the plant.

On size, slow growth can come from a lot of reasons. But since you're using CFLs I'll assume for the moment that you're doing everything else right (pH, nutes, air circulation, temp, etc...). With CFLs you have to add light as you go, I think there's a formula on Seymour Buds thread. To give you an idea, in his book he was growing 3 plants with eight 32w CFLs and he said he can only grow them to 20" with those lights because if there was anymore surface area he'd have to add more lights to support it.

For more info I'd suggest looking at his thread. It's papercliped in the CFL threads.

Hope that helps.
 

bigdaddy86

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thanks i was talking about the side growth that grows out just above just above the fan leafs i picked the lower fan leafs and threw them away
 

darkdestruction420

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why did you take off the fan leaves? cutting them off hurts your plant, not help it. for some reason new growers(no offense) always seem to want to remove the plants most efective and productive leaves to try to get it to grow faster,,,,,your just taking away your plants ability to make enough energy for rapid growth and puts it into shock for a while. lets see some pics. keep the lights 1/2 an inch to 2 inches away. you need more light now and when you switch to flowering you will also need to add a good amount of more lights to the setup.
 

Night Claptoman

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2 months veg in DWC using CFLs? odd.
you should be fine with 2 weeks of veg with avarage CFL usage.

post a picture and it will be clearer.
 

bigdaddy86

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2 months veg in DWC using CFLs? odd.
you should be fine with 2 weeks of veg with avarage CFL usage.

post a picture and it will be clearer.

here is a pick of the bottom first then the top second then the roots so is my fuck up fixable and i checked the date it has been 5 weeks from seed. please tell me what to do.
 

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darkdestruction420

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your worrying for no reason. that plant looks fine and so do the roots. those are big enough to flower if you want. im kinda confused why you said it wasnt ready to flower......
 

DannyGreenEyes

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thanks i was talking about the side growth that grows out just above just above the fan leafs i picked the lower fan leafs and threw them away

Oh, my bad. Sorry abou that. Those are good. The lower the stem the better, and if it's big enough you can cut it into two or 3 clones.

Nice looking plant btw.
 

DannyGreenEyes

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I hope you have a girl too, I'll keep my finger crossed.

If you have any other clones, keep track of which clones are which just in case. If mom turns out to be dad, you'll want to pull the clones too. (can't remember if you had any other plants going).

Good Luck and Green Dreams
 

bigdaddy86

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I hope you have a girl too, I'll keep my finger crossed.

If you have any other clones, keep track of which clones are which just in case. If mom turns out to be dad, you'll want to pull the clones too. (can't remember if you had any other plants going).

Good Luck and Green Dreams
ya i got one lemon kush and the rest are all really good bag seed but i think i should let it get bigger before i flower i will be using a 400 w hid so that should be enough light to flower eight plants - what ever are males i want to take 3 good clones from that one an two from every other plant.i will keep them noted.

also my plant is only 9 inches long and i am worried that i wont get a lot of weight if i flower now what do you guys think.
 

darkdestruction420

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i'd veg under the hps for a few weeks. that will really give your plants a boost. if i had known you had the hps earlier i woulda suggested that.lol
 

bigdaddy86

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I hope you have a girl too, I'll keep my finger crossed.

If you have any other clones, keep track of which clones are which just in case. If mom turns out to be dad, you'll want to pull the clones too. (can't remember if you had any other plants going).

Good Luck and Green Dreams
here is some more pics of other plants i got growing the first two are of a plant i topped after 4 weeks from seed and it is looking good the last pic is were i dont know what happen i tried to top it and did it wrong and 3 sets of leaves come out every time it grows up check it out
 

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darkdestruction420

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i think you inadvertently kinda fimmed it, i suggest you use the fim topping method from here on out. lol. 2 tops or 4-8 tops-thats the difference w/topping and fimming. if u want i'll link you to mblazes awesome fim guide.
 

DannyGreenEyes

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ya i got one lemon kush and the rest are all really good bag seed but i think i should let it get bigger before i flower i will be using a 400 w hid so that should be enough light to flower eight plants - what ever are males i want to take 3 good clones from that one an two from every other plant.i will keep them noted.

also my plant is only 9 inches long and i am worried that i wont get a lot of weight if i flower now what do you guys think.
I assume you want the male to make seeds somewhere down the road. I really wouldn't suggest doing that with bag seed. A high percentage of bag seed comes from hermies, and that's a trait that they pass to their children. You can get seeds pretty cheap, I'd suggest making some cash off this batch and getting some feminized seed of a good strain, whatever your favorite "flavor" is. This way you know the genetics are good before putting in all the effort.

I agree with vegging under the HID, it will help things go quicker for you. And I hope that's an HPS because they're much better for flowering than MHs are. MHs ae likely to give you light & fluffy buds.

You should definately get her bigger before flowering. How are the roots, do they have enough room to grow? If the roots are ok, putting her under the HID should get you over a foot in a week or two depending on other conditions.

here is some more pics of other plants i got growing the first two are of a plant i topped after 4 weeks from seed and it is looking good the last pic is were i dont know what happen i tried to top it and did it wrong and 3 sets of leaves come out every time it grows up check it out
They look pretty good, nice and green. I'm not sure about the three leaves, it's not FIM though. You'd have 2 to 4 main stems if you FIMed.

FIMing is the shit though, but only if you do it right. If not you'll end up with a scrawny looking plant with 4 colas that don't get much more yeild than if you didn't FIM.

I've been working on the secret to building the monster like the one in the pic. I think I came up with 2 pieces of the puzzle.

1 - Give her all the nutes, major & minor. I'm posting a chart so you have a list of all the nutes. This chart also shows how well plants absorb the nutes at different water pH levels.

I've only been able to find one line of nutes that include all the minor nutes (sulpher, calcium, magnesium, and molybdenum are not found in Fox Farm for some reason). The line is called Dyna-Gro, you can check out their stuff on www.dyna-gro.com It's chemically based so you'll have to avoid using organic based nutes. From what I've been told, organic & chemical nutes don't play well together. You can order right from the company if they're not available near by.

This line also has a small ammount of chlorine (0.1 %) and I recently found out that while too much chlorine is very bad, none at all can also be bad.

2 - Mycorrhiza you can read up on it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycorrhiza

In a nutshell, it helps roots grow faster & bigger. It also helps your roots fill in those big empty spots that you might have noticed if you ever looked at your roots before. The more roots you have, the bigger and healthier the plant and the more nutes it can absorb and process.

Also, this stuff helps whatever root system you have to absorb and process more nutes more quickly. Monsters like the one in the pic would need more nutes than an ordinary root system can possibley absorb and process.

There are several products that have it, try to find one with low nutes so you can add it to your regular watering schedule and so it doesn't interfere with chemical nutes too much if you decide to use them. You can find them at nurseries and grow stores, but it's much more cheaper at nurseries ($13 a qt) then it is at grow stores ($40).

I hope this info helps.
 

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bigdaddy86

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no no no i do not want any males will kill all i am just a new grower may be later down the road i will try but just want some good bud now ty.
 

DannyGreenEyes

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no no no i do not want any males will kill all i am just a new grower may be later down the road i will try but just want some good bud now ty.
Oh, ok. I misunderstood. I'd still recommend the Mycorrhiza though. It's pretty cheap and will help you get more yeild no matter what. I'd only recommend FIMing if you have enough space.
 
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