Cloning with nothing but an airstone and a bucket of water

thewanderingjack

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For the life of me I try this air layering stuff every now and again. I'm 0/6 thinking I will try again in a couple weeks...
what goes wrong? just never sprouts roots? does it get infected or other issues? or heal itself back up? Never tried it myself (just don't clone much in general) but seems easy/simple enough. I'd love to hear about the pitfalls before trying it too
 

Airwalker16

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what goes wrong? just never sprouts roots? does it get infected or other issues? or heal itself back up? Never tried it myself (just don't clone much in general) but seems easy/simple enough. I'd love to hear about the pitfalls before trying it too
The guy in the video said that one tiny root took him 2 weeks to get. I say fuck air layering.. my aero cloner gives me roots in less than a week every time.
 

thewanderingjack

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yeah, but since that's not too unusual for a lot of cloners... especially new ones... and I bet it could be done faster... and then he makes a point, that if plant numbers matter where you are, and you're trying to keep legal, this gives you an option to work with, and it doesn't require any special equipment... though yeah over all I'd have to think something like an aero cloner should be more effective... always good to have options though :)
 

Budley Doright

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yeah, but since that's not too unusual for a lot of cloners... especially new ones... and I bet it could be done faster... and then he makes a point, that if plant numbers matter where you are, and you're trying to keep legal, this gives you an option to work with, and it doesn't require any special equipment... though yeah over all I'd have to think something like an aero cloner should be more effective... always good to have options though :)
There is no reason to air layer, it's for plants that do not root well by cloning. The only reason I can see would be to do a bunch early in a field to plant so you don't need to transport clones to and from the site
 

thewanderingjack

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There is no reason to air layer, it's for plants that do not root well by cloning. The only reason I can see would be to do a bunch early in a field to plant so you don't need to transport clones to and from the site
so you just came up with a reason... and I think the plant count one makes two... ;-)

I wasn't recommending it as a best method or anything like that...
 

pinner420

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what goes wrong? just never sprouts roots? does it get infected or other issues? or heal itself back up? Never tried it myself (just don't clone much in general) but seems easy/simple enough. I'd love to hear about the pitfalls before trying it too
I very done both rapid rotters and rock wool. I've come to the conclusion that I haven't tried the sphagnum peat Moss method. In addition the strain I'm working doesn't like having its stem peeled as instructed in the videos. I've wrapped in tinfoil and surran wrap. No dice... I did read a thread where the guy was like sphagnum has all the perfect attributes period and to not fiddle with anything else.. so I'll try it coupled with the cheese cloth. If mastered would deliver best results yet it eludes me.....
 

thewanderingjack

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I very done both rapid rotters and rock wool. I've come to the conclusion that I haven't tried the sphagnum peat Moss method. In addition the strain I'm working doesn't like having its stem peeled as instructed in the videos. I've wrapped in tinfoil and surran wrap. No dice... I did read a thread where the guy was like sphagnum has all the perfect attributes period and to not fiddle with anything else.. so I'll try it coupled with the cheese cloth. If mastered would deliver best results yet it eludes me.....
Well saran def wouldn't work... that's like a clear container: light kills roots. I think I could see aluminum/tin foil not working well either... just instinctively, can't say why... too much heat maybe?

You should run the tests again with all the mediums using a piece of black plastic bag as he did... and/or something else... the cheesecloth maybe still seems like too much light... but I like adding the oxygen... maybe a scrap of landscape fabric? I think that would be the best of all worlds... maybe double wrapped for extra light protection? you could even water just by spraying it, and only have to open it to check progress...
 

Budley Doright

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so you just came up with a reason... and I think the plant count one makes two... ;-)

I wasn't recommending it as a best method or anything like that...
Sorry wasn't trying to take away from your answer but I've done it and it doesn't work well and it's a pain, how does it affect plant numbers? Take a clone or air layer a plant, at the end of the day it's still two plants. Also no I didn't just come up with that, actually did it :), I'm old lol.
 

thewanderingjack

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how does it affect plant numbers? Take a clone or air layer a plant, at the end of the day it's still two plants. Also no I didn't just come up with that, actually did it :), I'm old lol.
In places with legal growing limits based on plant numbers, where you can only have x number of plants, they wouldn't count clones that are being airrooted, as they are still part of the plant... i.e.: until you cut off the new clones, it's one plant, then it's two... or however many you're taking ;-)
 

pinner420

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In places with legal growing limits based on plant numbers, where you can only have x number of plants, they wouldn't count clones that are being airrooted, as they are still part of the plant... i.e.: until you cut off the new clones, it's one plant, then it's two... or however many you're taking ;-)
So by the time a swat team is counting your plants and the six laser dots on your heart and head. You've been ratted down the road. Why do 10 when you can give it to a friend.....
 

thewanderingjack

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So by the time a swat team is counting your plants and the six laser dots on your heart and head. You've been ratted down the road. Why do 10 when you can give it to a friend.....
Ah, but there it is... you want to give your friends clones, he/she/they suck/is new... whatever... so you are starting them... just happens to be when your neighbor decides she can smell your grow, and a couple of cops come over to check things out... it's not a federal case, but there are local laws... and a warning about the smell turns into decide it all needs to go/charges... whoops...

we can pick nits all day long... :)
 

Budley Doright

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In places with legal growing limits based on plant numbers, where you can only have x number of plants, they wouldn't count clones that are being airrooted, as they are still part of the plant... i.e.: until you cut off the new clones, it's one plant, then it's two... or however many you're taking ;-)
Well ok I guess. But you got to cut em off sometime lol. Anyways one plant here is illegal air layered or not so I'm not up on the numbers laws, al I know is it would never be enough :(.
 

thewanderingjack

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Well ok I guess. But you got to cut em off sometime lol
that's true, but then you're technically only in possession of too many between when they're cut and when they're out of your grow/possession... if you were doing it as a business for example, and still limited to plant counts, you only could be doing tons of clones... and selling them right off the plant... just boop, into a teeny pot and off your customer goes and you never violated any laws...

Anyways one plant here is illegal
Then nothing matters, because it is all illegal as you said... :wall:

I'm not up on the numbers laws, al I know is it would never be enough.
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