Clones: Mainlining vs Scrog vs Monstercropping?

xIPhobiaIx

xIPhobiaIx

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Hello all,

I know techniques can be combined but they all add veg time and I am doing a perpetual grow.

I have read articles the mainlining will obviously add veg time and be a little trickier to work with clones on but the advantage is canopy management via the mainline itself therefore depending less on scrogging or not scrogging at all. Typical recommendation is 8 colas but I have seen when scrogging with it you can do up to 32 colas.

For scrogging with a clone you simply employ lst (tying down, etc) and the screen (move horizontal growth after extending above the canopy to the next square over) to keep the canopy flat after topping properly to break central stem dominance.

Monstercropping with a flowering clone to reveg them (flowering clones have a lower survival rate) creates bushy asymmetrical monsters but it adds a lot of veg time.

It seems to me that the safest and method to reduce needed veg time for a clone is scrogging but my question is what has been your experience and recommendation?

Thank you!
 
Hobbes

Hobbes

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It took me 8 weeks to top enough times to get 16 colas per plant.

I've never scroged so I can't help you there.

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Dank Bongula

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I mainline my photos for 8 tops because I hate canopy maintenance and trimming. I see a scrog net and countless colas and just see nothing but tedious work and worry.
 
EhCndGrower

EhCndGrower

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I have for my past 4-5 tent grow done either mainlining or quadline train my plants with usually great results. This time I’m SCROGing with some training to help spread limbs out at the start. Right now I like my old quadline method but still have to see where this SCROG attempt gets me result wise.

Outside I did plant 3 monster clones, but it wasn’t by choice. Had some clones in my sisters tent but she didn’t up the hours of light and couldn’t get them outside because we were still getting flurries in late April/early May. Thankfully after hacking off the bottom half off the plant growth in late June resulted in better vigorous growth.

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xIPhobiaIx

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Dank Bongula said:
I mainline my photos for 8 tops because I hate canopy maintenance and trimming. I see a scrog net and countless colas and just see nothing but tedious work and worry.
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And how long does that take in comparison to Scrog? I am flipping once they get to 1.5 to 2ft in veg.
 
xIPhobiaIx

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EhCndGrower said:
I have for my past 4-5 tent grow done either mainlining or quadline train my plants with usually great results. This time I’m SCROGing with some training to help spread limbs out at the start. Right now I like my old quadline method but still have to see where this SCROG attempt gets me result wise.

Outside I did plant 3 monster clones, but it wasn’t by choice. Had some clones in my sisters tent but she didn’t up the hours of light and couldn’t get them outside because we were still getting flurries in late April/early May. Thankfully after hacking off the bottom half off the plant growth in late June resulted in better vigorous growth.

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Never heard of quadline... sounds like manifolding where you use the 1st and 3rd node branches from the two mainline branches from the 1st topping to get 8 tops faster. Aka top twice in comparison to 3 times for 8 colas or maybe you are talking about 4-way lst from seed?
 
EhCndGrower

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xIPhobiaIx said:
Never heard of quadline... sounds like manifolding where you use the 1st and 3rd node branches from the two mainline branches from the 1st topping to get 8 tops faster. Aka top twice in comparison to 3 times for 8 colas or maybe you are talking about 4-way lst from seed?
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i usually kept my 4/5 node for training and just kept pulling back the limb as it grew and trained out the new growths. I have snapped a limb off a time or 2 doing this but my results have been pretty good so far. So this SCROGing should be interesting to compare, and if it doesn’t make a better yield, back to quadlining
 
xIPhobiaIx

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EhCndGrower said:
i usually kept my 4/5 node for training and just kept pulling back the limb as it grew and trained out the new growths. I have snapped a limb off a time or 2 doing this but my results have been pretty good so far. So this SCROGing should be interesting to compare, and if it doesn’t make a better yield, back to quadlining
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I read this article and honestly the plant looks amazing without the need for a scrog and looks like it can work with perpetual since you are only adding about a week in veg for this. The plant is strong enough via some supercropping later on to hold the big buds and allows plant mobility which is huge for perpetual. Thank you for turning me on to quadlining!!!

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Dank Bongula

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xIPhobiaIx said:
And how long does that take in comparison to Scrog? I am flipping once they get to 1.5 to 2ft in veg.
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Couldn't tell you, I have no interest in scrog. Mainlining probably adds anywhere from 2-3 weeks of veg time in soil depending on how you train and how many tops you want.
 
xIPhobiaIx

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EhCndGrower said:
I have for my past 4-5 tent grow done either mainlining or quadline train my plants with usually great results. This time I’m SCROGing with some training to help spread limbs out at the start. Right now I like my old quadline method but still have to see where this SCROG attempt gets me result wise.

Outside I did plant 3 monster clones, but it wasn’t by choice. Had some clones in my sisters tent but she didn’t up the hours of light and couldn’t get them outside because we were still getting flurries in late April/early May. Thankfully after hacking off the bottom half off the plant growth in late June resulted in better vigorous growth.

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How did this end up turning out for you?
 
EhCndGrower

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xIPhobiaIx said:
@EhCndGrower
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it was kind of a bad year outside. I had terrible terrible terrible wpm most of the summer and lost my Dr. Seedsman CBD plant to it. I had to harvest my Lemonchello and Moby Dick early, (still last week of October) but they started early flowering and almost seem to stop all progression for a few weeks and never got the fat/chunky buds I was expecting. So could of been great but overall was not :(


It was just a bad year for growing, especially with the “Indian Summer” warmth/humidity we got in the later flowering months. My American Pie was my best looking plant out there, but mold caused me to chuck 300-400g away.

next year I will do less plants and will probably go back to starting all from seed again. Just a little easier to train them the way I want.
 
xIPhobiaIx

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EhCndGrower said:
it was kind of a bad year outside. I had terrible terrible terrible wpm most of the summer and lost my Dr. Seedsman CBD plant to it. I had to harvest my Lemonchello and Moby Dick early, (still last week of October) but they started early flowering and almost seem to stop all progression for a few weeks and never got the fat/chunky buds I was expecting. So could of been great but overall was not :(


It was just a bad year for growing, especially with the “Indian Summer” warmth/humidity we got in the later flowering months. My American Pie was my best looking plant out there, but mold caused me to chuck 300-400g away.

next year I will do less plants and will probably go back to starting all from seed again. Just a little easier to train them the way I want.
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Did you like the ScroG over the quadline overall or thinking you might go back to your roots haha?
Reason I am curious as I scrog and its a pain in the ass. It works but again its a pain in the ass and I fill out a sizeable room but have to walk on my hands and knees to do anything lol.
 
speedwell68

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I grow in soil. I only have a small setup. Today I got rid of my SCROG net. I find it a pain in the arse, TBH. I have gone over to LST instead. I have done it with outdoor Autos to good effect, so now I am going to try it with photos.

I am at about 8 weeks from seed and the plants have been being pinned down since they grew to 3 nodes. I have been selectively topping as I go, I must have 15 - 20 heads on each plant now. Not all of them will be viable so I will thin them down to the 8 best before I flip. The plants are nearly ready to go, but I am not as I am upgrading my lights, tents, pots and ventilation. So I will let them go to 12 weeks of veg, as IMHO the longer they veg the better they seem to do.
 
xIPhobiaIx

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speedwell68 said:
I grow in soil. I only have a small setup. Today I got rid of my SCROG net. I find it a pain in the arse, TBH. I have gone over to LST instead. I have done it with outdoor Autos to good effect, so now I am going to try it with photos.

I am at about 8 weeks from seed and the plants have been being pinned down since they grew to 3 nodes. I have been selectively topping as I go, I must have 15 - 20 heads on each plant now. Not all of them will be viable so I will thin them down to the 8 best before I flip. The plants are nearly ready to go, but I am not as I am upgrading my lights, tents, pots and ventilation. So I will let them go to 12 weeks of veg, as IMHO the longer they veg the better they seem to do.
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The scrog net its all horizontal growth for the most part which doesn't lend well to bud growth below the very top canopy buds (aka shorter colas). The way you are doing training (esp without the net) I wonder if you will get longer and thicker budded colas and maybe more overall weight.
Excited to see how yours turns out.
 
EhCndGrower

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xIPhobiaIx said:
Did you like the ScroG over the quadline overall or thinking you might go back to your roots haha?
Reason I am curious as I scrog and its a pain in the ass. It works but again its a pain in the ass and I fill out a sizeable room but have to walk on my hands and knees to do anything lol.
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yeah I’m going back to Quadlining my next grow. SCROG filled up nicely but once set in the netting, it became harder to trim up before the flowering flip. I just like the cleanliness look of the and easier training for fatter colas. Some of my tent gals I did a SCROG on will be coming out this week, but never got chunky buds.
 
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xIPhobiaIx said:
Hello all,

I know techniques can be combined but they all add veg time and I am doing a perpetual grow.

I have read articles the mainlining will obviously add veg time and be a little trickier to work with clones on but the advantage is canopy management via the mainline itself therefore depending less on scrogging or not scrogging at all. Typical recommendation is 8 colas but I have seen when scrogging with it you can do up to 32 colas.

For scrogging with a clone you simply employ lst (tying down, etc) and the screen (move horizontal growth after extending above the canopy to the next square over) to keep the canopy flat after topping properly to break central stem dominance.

Monstercropping with a flowering clone to reveg them (flowering clones have a lower survival rate) creates bushy asymmetrical monsters but it adds a lot of veg time.

It seems to me that the safest and method to reduce needed veg time for a clone is scrogging but my question is what has been your experience and recommendation?

Thank you!
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