Clone only strains

Amos Otis

Amos Otis

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Sorry I'm late....this guy led his college team to an improbable ACC tournament title, then 3 years later helped the Sonics to their last [ I think ] NBA title.....yet, he's often included in lists of worst 1st round draft picks. Usually a couple of notches after Sam Bowie.



mdjenks said:
I agree B-ball is for the pm's
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drat..........
 
dluck

dluck

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Amos Otis said:
Just grab a pack - I've had 4 girls over the years, none was this Golden Ticket. Every one was lime sherbet. One was B, two were A, and one was just an insane lime slurpee frost monster. Whatever comes from those beans, ime, is always well worth it.
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What's this Golden Ticket pheno ?
 
shishkaboy

shishkaboy

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mdjenks said:
Actually when I had the golden ticket mom it was here and there I never got mostly "golden ticket" and I ran at least 10 runs of at least 12 ladies so I don't know man.
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We're all 12 from the same exact mother, or were there mulitple moms at first?
As far as this whole phenotype switching thing, that would make cloning for mothers basically useless. I really would need more proof that a phenotype can change, or that the same mother can produce multiple phenotypes.
The reason why one of the first, most basic lessons for growers is how to clone. It's because the science behind it is there and anyone can master it. Most of the produce found in supermarkets are clones. Even a mammal has been cloned.
What it sounds like to me is like you are saying that if I buy a pack of Chernobyl and am lucky enough to find the golden ticket pheno, if I keep a mother of that specific plant and discard the rest, that I may still get those other plants traits in subsequent runs?
IMO, if this were true this thread could never even exist, just think there would be no guarantee that you would get the specific "clone only" pheno.
I have seen friendships ruined, people's personal info posted and even robberies threatened, over "supposed" cuts. I know for a fact there is a lot of bs and lying about names in this community and my extensive experience on riu has made me very critical of others claims. I have learned to ask lots of questions and ask for pics, my rule is, no pics it ain't happen
 
Bamabudy

Bamabudy

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I'm growing a orange bud mother to start my hand at cloning for the first time. I chose orange bud because it is so easy to grow.
Any advice would be much appreciated, soil to use, how to cut clones, best way to start roots,... Thanks
 
akhiymjames

akhiymjames

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shishkaboy said:
We're all 12 from the same exact mother, or were there mulitple moms at first?
As far as this whole phenotype switching thing, that would make cloning for mothers basically useless. I really would need more proof that a phenotype can change, or that the same mother can produce multiple phenotypes.
The reason why one of the first, most basic lessons for growers is how to clone. It's because the science behind it is there and anyone can master it. Most of the produce found in supermarkets are clones. Even a mammal has been cloned.
What it sounds like to me is like you are saying that if I buy a pack of Chernobyl and am lucky enough to find the golden ticket pheno, if I keep a mother of that specific plant and discard the rest, that I may still get those other plants traits in subsequent runs?
IMO, if this were true this thread could never even exist, just think there would be no guarantee that you would get the specific "clone only" pheno.
I have seen friendships ruined, people's personal info posted and even robberies threatened, over "supposed" cuts. I know for a fact there is a lot of bs and lying about names in this community and my extensive experience on riu has made me very critical of others claims. I have learned to ask lots of questions and ask for pics, my rule is, no pics it ain't happen
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The exact reason why i asked cus it just doesn't make sense to clone a pheno if its gonna show other traits. Im experienced grower but I haven't dealt with clones all my runs have been from seed so this is all new to me but I've done my research and that just didn't sound right to me. Like I said I believe different growers and conditions have shown different looks of the same pheno but it should be pretty consistent but pheno dominate to one side or specific cross in the hybrid and then other traits are shown as dominate just doesn't add up. Thats why I said I hope some other would chime in on this cus like you said OG, Chem and all the others wouldn't be what they are today
 
King Arthur

King Arthur

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Bamabudy said:
I'm growing a orange bud mother to start my hand at cloning for the first time. I chose orange bud because it is so easy to grow.
Any advice would be much appreciated, soil to use, how to cut clones, best way to start roots,... Thanks
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Check the advanced marijuana section, much information to be had in there. Even a whole clone tutorial.
 
akhiymjames

akhiymjames

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Bamabudy said:
I'm growing a orange bud mother to start my hand at cloning for the first time. I chose orange bud because it is so easy to grow.
Any advice would be much appreciated, soil to use, how to cut clones, best way to start roots,... Thanks
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Not trying to rude or an ass bro but theres plenty threads on here on how to clone. Soil to use well thats up to you theres so many. You can build your own soil or buy it already made and charged with amendments. Take a look around on here theres some really great info if you can't find anything here Google is your best friend
 
King Arthur

King Arthur

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shishkaboy said:
We're all 12 from the same exact mother, or were there mulitple moms at first?
As far as this whole phenotype switching thing, that would make cloning for mothers basically useless. I really would need more proof that a phenotype can change, or that the same mother can produce multiple phenotypes.
The reason why one of the first, most basic lessons for growers is how to clone. It's because the science behind it is there and anyone can master it. Most of the produce found in supermarkets are clones. Even a mammal has been cloned.
What it sounds like to me is like you are saying that if I buy a pack of Chernobyl and am lucky enough to find the golden ticket pheno, if I keep a mother of that specific plant and discard the rest, that I may still get those other plants traits in subsequent runs?
IMO, if this were true this thread could never even exist, just think there would be no guarantee that you would get the specific "clone only" pheno.
I have seen friendships ruined, people's personal info posted and even robberies threatened, over "supposed" cuts. I know for a fact there is a lot of bs and lying about names in this community and my extensive experience on riu has made me very critical of others claims. I have learned to ask lots of questions and ask for pics, my rule is, no pics it ain't happen
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Yeah I am having trouble believing that 1 out of 50 or whatever clones turns out to be different, I don't understand how it would be possible as I have been cloning for a while and everything is uniform. Maybe he was stoned when he made his post but damn...
 
King Arthur

King Arthur

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I just did a small dry sift run of my GDP trim, it is a crazy tasty purple pile of sand. Pressed it in my hand and then dabbed it was pretty amazing.

I am wondering if my altitude helps her do her thing so well. She turned super purple and when I saw the trichomes sitting there with purple sparkles I was very intrigued. I might have to take a picture if I can get my scope working.
 
genuity

genuity

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Sounds to me,like they have more than one source,for the golden ticket......

3-4 growers claiming to have found the golden ticket,(sounds like it's one in every pack)
And they all vend them cuts to DHN,that's what it sounds like to me.

I have been wrong befor...

I have never had any mom,give me clones that show multiple phenos..always just like mom.
 
a senile fungus

a senile fungus

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The clones will have the same genetics as the host plant, but what CAN change is how those genetics react to the environment that they're given.

My GG#4 grew differently than I'd ever seen it grow this round because I tried my hand at a vertical lighting set up. The same genetics reacted differently because the lights were in a different place.

So I guess the pheno stays the same, but how that pheno is expressed is dependent on environment.

Make sense?

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Amos Otis

Amos Otis

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genuity said:
I have never had any mom,give me clones that show multiple phenos..always just like mom.
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In theory, it makes no sense to me, and that has always been the case. But I sort of documented a few times on Breeders Boutique thread how the Qrazy Quake clone ran and turned out as if totally unrelated to the mom donor - different as night to day. It had me questioning if somehow I'd mislabeled the clone, but it was in with Fireballs clones that ran true to the moms. Perplexed even now how that happened.

a senile fungus said:
The clones will have the same genetics as the host plant, but what CAN change is how those genetics react to the environment that they're given.

So I guess the pheno stays the same, but how that pheno is expressed is dependent on environment.

Make sense?

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That's the only thing that made sense to me; the mom finished in early fall, so had a warm run, and the clone grew through December - probably a 20 degree night time difference.
 
akhiymjames

akhiymjames

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a senile fungus said:
The clones will have the same genetics as the host plant, but what CAN change is how those genetics react to the environment that they're given.

My GG#4 grew differently than I'd ever seen it grow this round because I tried my hand at a vertical lighting set up. The same genetics reacted differently because the lights were in a different place.

So I guess the pheno stays the same, but how that pheno is expressed is dependent on environment.

Make sense?

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This is exactly what I've been saying. Different growers and conditions can have them express trait differently but will still be same pheno. Wont be dom to one side then dom to another
 
a senile fungus

a senile fungus

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But at the same time I've heard of strains stabilizing over multiple generations of clones.
I've also heard of plants that will hermie but the clones won't. One guy swears to never get rid of a strain till you've flowered the clones out, not the mother.

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King Arthur

King Arthur

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a senile fungus said:
But at the same time I've heard of strains stabilizing over multiple generations of clones.
I've also heard of plants that will hermie but the clones won't. One guy swears to never get rid of a strain till you've flowered the clones out, not the mother.

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I did it, didn't work for me. Only my first two attempts on that though. Tried to get rid of the herm from the True OG cross.
 
akhiymjames

akhiymjames

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a senile fungus said:
But at the same time I've heard of strains stabilizing over multiple generations of clones.
I've also heard of plants that will hermie but the clones won't. One guy swears to never get rid of a strain till you've flowered the clones out, not the mother.

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Thats what I live and die by too. At least three runs of clones as a seed plant can herm way faster than a clone. Too many variables that can make a plant herm too much nutes, aggressive training, not enough light, too much light etc...

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I did it, didn't work for me. Only my first two attempts on that though. Tried to get rid of the herm from the True OG cross.
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Did you ever find out what was making it herm?
 
King Arthur

King Arthur

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akhiymjames said:
Thats what I live and die by too. At least three runs of clones as a seed plant can herm way faster than a clone. Too many variables that can make a plant herm too much nutes, aggressive training, not enough light, too much light etc...



Did you ever find out what was making it herm?
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Nope, first run went too long in soil 3 gal pots.
2nd run was 8 clone consisting of 2 phenos each having 4 in their square.
3rd run was another seed in a smaller tent and she looked amazing but still threw the bananas.

Every single one has so far, while the ones next to it have no issue. I think it might not be acclimated to my environment and that could be it.
 
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