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shishkaboy

shishkaboy

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@Joedank
Her trich heads look larger than average, would you say this also?
Looks like a really good yielder too!!!
Edit: I see you answered my question above. Every fat head trich strain I had popped, were all highly potent.
 
mdjenks

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Amos Otis said:
It actually was - just followed the directions that came with the unit, including the nutes schedule. Easy peasy.

I know nothing about ppms, and all I've observed about water temps is that only a very cold winter seems to affect it at all.
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Not saying you're lying but I find it hard to believe especially having no ppm/ph meter. If the water gets below 60 your plants are probably dead and if it gets above 70 probably the same results. 65 degree F is optimal for the plants roots to take in the nutes. PPM's is parts per million. when your ladies are just starting out they don't need any nutes for about 10 days and then just a little like around 250 ppm's, now when they are mature they can take up to 1400 ppm's depending on the strain. And a PH meter is a must for hydro, if your PH range is to high or to low you are screwed, you want it as close to 6.5 as possible, and if you are smart you will always use distilled or reverse osmosis water. So I find it kind of hard to run hydro with no knowledge of ppm's otherwise you would be way underfeeding the plants or way over feeding the plants. Those hydro units and the nutes/instructions are garbage, once you know what you are doing or you know some one that does like i did you build a custom unit. Hydro is by far the easiest way to kill a plant and once you f' up you have a very small window to correct it.

I'm guessing you had a timer for your lights already and your water pump unless you were doing deep water culture then it would be an air ring constantly blowing air into the roots that are soaked in nutrient rich water.
 
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ActionHanks

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@mdjenks
Not trying to shit on what youre saying bc youre 1000% right about everything youre saying. That being said, pot is a weed, a hardyone at that.

Ive grown dwc with 88degree resevoirs @ 200-600 ppm full cycle, ph rarely monitored. Sure yield probably suffers, and i deffffinitely should have gotten rot/hypoxic root zone, etc but nothing happend and the plants took off. I have totally done hydro grows without a meter or very much knowlege of the "holy hydro numbers"
 
mdjenks

mdjenks

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ActionHanks said:
@mdjenks
Not trying to shit on what youre saying bc youre 1000% right about everything youre saying. That being said, pot is a weed, a hardyone at that.

Ive grown dwc with 88degree resevoirs @ 200-600 ppm full cycle, ph rarely monitored. Sure yield probably suffers, and i deffffinitely should have gotten rot/hypoxic root zone, etc but nothing happend and the plants took off. I have totally done hydro grows without a meter or very much knowlege of the "holy hydro numbers"
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my first grow was in DWC and it was BCN Diesel, I got the the flora bloom and flora micro (lucas formula) mixed up but the BCN Diesel took it extremely well and I was using tap water. The BCN ladies grew out to completion so I thought it was all good and didn't realize my mistake until I did a run of AK-47 and killed all of them and I was scratching my head thinking what the hell did I do wrong when the first run went so well. I went online and checked the lucas formula again and realized my major f' up. Yes depending on the strain you can push some to extreme limits but it isn't wise, if you want a great potent amazing grow using all the proper precautions is a must or you will eventually, sooner than later be in for hard times.

I appreciate the feedback as always. I have been running hydro for a very long time and for the first few years was with a mentor and the BCN was my first solo hydro grow. Since then I have learned how to clone, how to put clones in ziplock bags in the fridge to put them in stasis for later use, I am surprised at how many people do not know of this technique and some even say it isn't possible but I have done it time and time again.

On to what I came here for in the first place. I got some of my buddy's accidental cross of chernobyl x goji og now named Sector7G and here is some pics of the clones from the beans from the cross and a bonsai Mom which I should be able to get at least 4 cuts every two weeks, maybe 5.

the back small roots are the DQ/GC from Oakland Harborside that have been in stasis for months and as usual the DQ/GC takes a long time to root from clone but alas they are coming along so along side the sector7g will be DQ/GC. The Sector7G roots are blowing up and very healthy, I'm hoping to get a good amazing pheno as a keeper for more runs.
 

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Amos Otis

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mdjenks said:
Not saying you're lying but I find it hard to believe
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That's ok by me, but I've got no agenda here, other than counter your claim that hydro has to be complicated. That's just not true.

The hydro unit came with a ph test kit [ dropper/test tube]. A couple of months in, the tap water stayed consistent, so I've barely used it in the years since, and moving on to home made DWC buckets. I follow the 3 pt GH Maxi series nute schedule every grow, and have never checked ppm - I don't own a meter - never have. Mix it in a gallon jug right from the tap, and pour it straight in.

The water temps are no concern - if I thrive in the house, they seem to, as well. An extremely cold winter did affect a grow 14 months ago, but nothing came close to dying and the yields were fine.

RIU is littered with many posts regarding my 'jarred spaghetti sauce' [ tm not pending ] approach: aka a 'lazy man's approach. If it was hard work, or challenging in some way, I'd find another option.

But it's easy - that's the beauty of it. No doubt in my mind that your much more detailed operation is a fine one. But I'm a results vs effort kind of guy. I get great results [ according to my own standards, and local feedback ] with very little effort - the chop and trim being the most demanding by far.

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mdjenks

mdjenks

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mdjenks said:
my first grow was in DWC and it was BCN Diesel, I got the the flora bloom and flora micro (lucas formula) mixed up but the BCN Diesel took it extremely well and I was using tap water. The BCN ladies grew out to completion so I thought it was all good and didn't realize my mistake until I did a run of AK-47 and killed all of them and I was scratching my head thinking what the hell did I do wrong when the first run went so well. I went online and checked the lucas formula again and realized my major f' up. Yes depending on the strain you can push some to extreme limits but it isn't wise, if you want a great potent amazing grow using all the proper precautions is a must or you will eventually, sooner than later be in for hard times. As far as cannabis being a weed that is hardy I disagree, they need right conditions to survive and get the expected results you want from them. Sure they grow wild, landrace strains, but the landrace strains are limited to certain areas, sativa's usually closer to the equator and the indica's in much harsher climates like the mountains of Afghanistan and india around the Hindu Kush Mountains. Landrace strains are usually not as strong and lack the "hybrid vigor". I have probably read every book on cannabis and every documentary but I don't claim to know everything and I could always learn more until the day I die.

I appreciate the feedback as always. I have been running hydro for a very long time and for the first few years was with a mentor and the BCN was my first solo hydro grow. Since then I have learned how to clone, how to put clones in ziplock bags in the fridge to put them in stasis for later use, I am surprised at how many people do not know of this technique and some even say it isn't possible but I have done it time and time again.

On to what I came here for in the first place. I got some of my buddy's accidental cross of chernobyl x goji og now named Sector7G and here is some pics of the clones from the beans from the cross and a bonsai Mom which I should be able to get at least 4 cuts every two weeks, maybe 5.

the back small roots are the DQ/GC from Oakland Harborside that have been in stasis for months and as usual the DQ/GC takes a long time to root from clone but alas they are coming along so along side the sector7g will be DQ/GC. The Sector7G roots are blowing up and very healthy, I'm hoping to get a good amazing pheno as a keeper for more runs.
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mdjenks

mdjenks

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Amos Otis said:
That's ok by me, but I've got no agenda here, other than counter your claim that hydro has to be complicated. That's just not true.

The hydro unit came with a ph test kit [ dropper/test tube]. A couple of months in, the tap water stayed consistent, so I've barely used it in the years since, and moving on to home made DWC buckets. I follow the 3 pt GH Maxi series nute schedule every grow, and have never checked ppm - I don't own a meter - never have. Mix it in a gallon jug right from the tap, and pour it straight in.

The water temps are no concern - if I thrive in the house, they seem to, as well. An extremely cold winter did affect a grow 14 months ago, but nothing came close to dying and the yields were fine.

RIU is littered with many posts regarding my 'jarred spaghetti sauce' [ tm not pending ] approach: aka a 'lazy man's approach. If it was hard work, or challenging in some way, I'd find another option.

But it's easy - that's the beauty of it. No doubt in my mind that your much more detailed operation is a fine one. But I'm a results vs effort kind of guy. I get great results [ according to my own standards, and local feedback ] with very little effort - the chop and trim being the most demanding by far.

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Hey if it works for you by all means go on. My set up is damn near automated and very easy and I get huge yields because of it and grow more exotic hybrids. I'm not trying to tell anyone they are wrong but I just disagree about someone with no experience at all deciding one day to go straight to hydro with no info and having good results. You must have grown before or knew people that have. But like I said if your happy with your way and your product I don't see anything wrong with that at all. Like you I am going on my experience.

By the way what strain are those frosty buds? Looks like something from the white family of strains.
 
Amos Otis

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mdjenks said:
Hey if it works for you by all means go on. My set up is damn near automated and very easy and I get huge yields because of it and grow more exotic hybrids. I'm not trying to tell anyone they are wrong but I just disagree about someone with no experience at all deciding one day to go straight to hydro with no info and having good results. You must have grown before or knew people that have. But like I said if your happy with your way and your product I don't see anything wrong with that at all. Like you I am going on my experience.

By the way what strain are those frosty buds? Looks like something from the white family of strains.
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That's Breeder's Boutique's Qrazy Quake. FWIW, they're having a 50% spring sale. :weed:
 
King Arthur

King Arthur

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mdjenks said:
Not saying you're lying but I find it hard to believe especially having no ppm/ph meter. If the water gets below 60 your plants are probably dead and if it gets above 70 probably the same results. 65 degree F is optimal for the plants roots to take in the nutes. PPM's is parts per million. when your ladies are just starting out they don't need any nutes for about 10 days and then just a little like around 250 ppm's, now when they are mature they can take up to 1400 ppm's depending on the strain. And a PH meter is a must for hydro, if your PH range is to high or to low you are screwed, you want it as close to 6.5 as possible, and if you are smart you will always use distilled or reverse osmosis water. So I find it kind of hard to run hydro with no knowledge of ppm's otherwise you would be way underfeeding the plants or way over feeding the plants. Those hydro units and the nutes/instructions are garbage, once you know what you are doing or you know some one that does like i did you build a custom unit. Hydro is by far the easiest way to kill a plant and once you f' up you have a very small window to correct it.

I'm guessing you had a timer for your lights already and your water pump unless you were doing deep water culture then it would be an air ring constantly blowing air into the roots that are soaked in nutrient rich water.
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Dude you get your information on forums and books, you should actually try growing. Not to completely dis you down the drain but this post screams of arrogance. I threw the PH pen out and I keep a ppm meter around to keep track of whats going on but I don't use PH up down or any all around. Guess what I grow in? .... HYDRO lolol I also grow in soil too but it is funny you are spouting out a bunch of bullshit dude.

0 res changes, 0 times ph'ed 100% awesome. get good bro and you can be like the King.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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King Arthur said:
Dude you get your information on forums and books, you should actually try growing. Not to completely dis you down the drain but this post screams of arrogance. I threw the PH pen out and I keep a ppm meter around to keep track of whats going on but I don't use PH up down or any all around. Guess what I grow in? .... HYDRO lolol I also grow in soil too but it is funny you are spouting out a bunch of bullshit dude.

0 res changes, 0 times ph'ed 100% awesome. get good bro and you can be like the King.
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I've grown in coco, RDWC hydroponics and soil and I can tell you right now if you are doing coco and RDWC hydroponics the most important thing is PH not PPM, if you know what you are doing you can have a set schedule for hydro and never check the ppm at all but you must check PH every change of nutrients and monitor (nutrients are uptaken at certain PH so going out of this range will be a problem and the more nutes out of the mixture your plants eat the more the PH will shift start at a PH of 5.8 and try not to go above 6.1 or below 5.5). As for temps I would have to agree they don't make as big a difference as that person is letting on, the plants wont just fall over and die because the water is below 65F actually it is good for it to go under that once a day to prevent root rot forming and other baddies in the root zone.
 
King Arthur

King Arthur

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Yodaweed said:
I've grown in coco, RDWC hydroponics and soil and I can tell you right now if you are doing coco and RDWC hydroponics the most important thing is PH not PPM, if you know what you are doing you can have a set schedule for hydro and never check the ppm at all but you must check PH every change of nutrients and monitor (nutrients are uptaken at certain PH so going out of this range will be a problem and the more nutes out of the mixture your plants eat the more the PH will shift start at a PH of 5.8 and try not to go above 6.1 or below 5.5). As for temps I would have to agree they don't make as big a difference as that person is letting on, the plants wont just fall over and die because the water is below 65F actually it is good for it to go under that once a day to prevent root rot forming and other baddies in the root zone.
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I guess I just got the magic touch bro because I crush myths on a daily. Not saying your experience doesn't hold true to you but if you sat next to me while I mix my nutes and water you would be like... well fuck its that easy? :D I guess I got lucky, I live in an area where everything just works.

I might do a coco pot in there just to check, I know others who use coco too but I don't see the point. I like the balls better. You know what though I just read the bag on the clay pebbles and it says on the bag "PH Stable" I guess that might have a lot to do with my experience :P.
 
mdjenks

mdjenks

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King Arthur said:
Dude you get your information on forums and books, you should actually try growing. Not to completely dis you down the drain but this post screams of arrogance. I threw the PH pen out and I keep a ppm meter around to keep track of whats going on but I don't use PH up down or any all around. Guess what I grow in? .... HYDRO lolol I also grow in soil too but it is funny you are spouting out a bunch of bullshit dude.

0 res changes, 0 times ph'ed 100% awesome. get good bro and you can be like the King.
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why do you have to talk shit to him he is exactly right. I have been running hydro grows for a decade now and if you aren't at least checking you ph you have had grows that have died I'm sure of that. I have the proof to back up my skills do you?

Lets see your pics stud, bet your ladies can't hold a candle to most of the people on this thread and I'm not talking about some airy shitty trimmed popcorn buds I'm talking about nice healthy mature frosty ass looking ladies. Check my shit out and you can see how its done son.
 
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King Arthur

King Arthur

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mdjenks said:
why do you have to talk shit to him he is exactly right. I have been running hydro grows for a decade now and if you aren't at least checking you ph you have had grows that have died I'm sure of that. I have the proof to back up my skills do you?
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Your so sure that your 100% wrong, not once have I had a hydro plant die ;). Just cauze you be pumpin yer gump into ur soup don't meanz dat I doze it de same wayz.

Get gud bruh

Seedlings yes
Soil plants yes
Hydro nope way too fuckin easy, you set a timer and shit waters itself.
 
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