Clay Pellet Substitute? Boiled marbles? Curious.

devon2576

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Hey everyone, I'm doing my first grow. Northern Lights AutoFem from Nirvana. I'm doing it hydro, and am on a lowcost budget. I have everything I need except clay pellets. My hydro store only sells big bulk bags and I don't need that much at all. I have some glass marbles at my house. Wondering if I boiled them to sterilize them, would that work as an alternative? If not what are some good alternatives? I already have rockwool. Just need something to replace the clay pellets.
Thanks, Hoping to hear some great answers
:weed:
 

devon2576

Member
Fish gravel, lava rocks, broken coral, perlite, coco, fiber chunks
Awesome to hear there are some alternatives. Thanks for the tip!
By the way, do these come pre-sterilized? Or would I have to bake them in the oven for a little while to sterilize?
Thanks!
 

Heisenberg

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Anything you buy from a store is probably ok. If you are reusing aquarium gravel or something you will want to make sure it is sterile by boiling or baking. I normally only bake if there is old root material or something that needs turned to ash.

Do you plan to keep a sterile res?
 

spencer2121

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There is a new medium called hail kinda looks like a cotton cube, I've heard good things about it ! Google it!
 

Jogro

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You're not doing microbiologic culture here; hydroponics media don't really have to be sterilized, just clean.

Plants grow in DIRT for pete's sake! Its not like dirt is sterile.

If you're worried about this, boiling in water ought to be fine.

Hydroton/expanded clay pellets are popular because they are light, offer good water absorption, easy to re-use, and easy to work with.

As mentioned, ordinary gravel, lava rocks, perlite (or mixes of perlite and vermiculite) and coco coir are all passable substitutes for hydroton/clay pellets.

Glass marbles probably could work, but they're suboptimal because they're heavy, and not very porous; they won't retain much moisture.

Other alternatives?

Crushed brick would probably work well.

Some plants actually grow great in pure sand, though I don't think this is ideal for cannabis.

I've actually seen or heard of hydroponic grows done using chopped up cardboard, shredded polyester cloth, styrofoam packing peanuts, sawdust/wood chips, and even Legos! (The nooks in the legos retain water). Some of these things aren't reclaimable, nor typically used for cannabis, but they do give you food for thought.

I seem to remember someone talking about fantastic results using cheap shredded rubber mulch as a substrate. That's probably a reasonable thing to try.

Basically, the only point of the medium is to give the roots something to grab onto to hold the plant in place, and to retain moisture. Pretty much any pH-neutral inert substance that allows free air flow and retains some moisture could work, though obviously, some mediums are going to work better than others.
 

devon2576

Member
Anything you buy from a store is probably ok. If you are reusing aquarium gravel or something you will want to make sure it is sterile by boiling or baking. I normally only bake if there is old root material or something that needs turned to ash.

Do you plan to keep a sterile res?
As sterile as I can would be the goal. Will be my first grow so I would like to make it as smooth as possible for a first runner up. Willing to go through trial and error, but wish to avoid most of the error part. :bigjoint:
 

devon2576

Member
You're not doing microbiologic culture here; hydroponics media don't really have to be sterilized, just clean.

Plants grow in DIRT for pete's sake! Its not like dirt is sterile.

If you're worried about this, boiling in water ought to be fine.

Hydroton/expanded clay pellets are popular because they are light, offer good water absorption, easy to re-use, and easy to work with.

As mentioned, ordinary gravel, lava rocks, perlite (or mixes of perlite and vermiculite) and coco coir are all passable substitutes for hydroton/clay pellets.

Glass marbles probably could work, but they're suboptimal because they're heavy, and not very porous; they won't retain much moisture.

Other alternatives?

Crushed brick would probably work well.

Some plants actually grow great in pure sand, though I don't think this is ideal for cannabis.

I've actually seen or heard of hydroponic grows done using chopped up cardboard, shredded polyester cloth, styrofoam packing peanuts, sawdust/wood chips, and even Legos! (The nooks in the legos retain water). Some of these things aren't reclaimable, nor typically used for cannabis, but they do give you food for thought.

I seem to remember someone talking about fantastic results using cheap shredded rubber mulch as a substrate. That's probably a reasonable thing to try.

Basically, the only point of the medium is to give the roots something to grab onto to hold the plant in place, and to retain moisture. Pretty much any pH-neutral inert substance that allows free air flow and retains some moisture could work, though obviously, some mediums are going to work better than others.

Thank you very much! Very informative! I actually happen to have some styrofoam packing peanuts from a glass bong I had ordered online. I most likely will give that a try. :leaf:
 

Heisenberg

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I personally use beneficial microbes in my hydro, pretty much for the sole purpose of displacing potential root disease. Much easier (for me) than trying to fight to keep a sterile res.
 

ihavealotofquestions

Active Member
I can personally say that aquarium rocks work lol. The downfall is they're smaller than the holes on most netpots, therefor they fall into your res and it's quite a drawback
 

Jogro

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I personally use beneficial microbes in my hydro, pretty much for the sole purpose of displacing potential root disease. Much easier (for me) than trying to fight to keep a sterile res.
This is sound advice.

Basically, no matter which exact hydro system you're using, you're going to be running atmospheric air though a nutrient rich solution (or vice versa), which is just an invitation to have your system colonized by opportunistic bacteria.

If you "can" keep everything sterile, so be it, but that's not the only way to go, nor even necessarily the best way. Again, you're not doing brain surgery here, you're growing plants.

The main thing isn't sterility, per se, making sure that your system doesn't get infected by organisms harmful to either your plants or yourself.

Proper pH, temperature, oxygenation, and additives (eg peroxide or beneficial organisms, etc) are all ways of reducing these potential problems without true sterility.
 

devon2576

Member
This is sound advice.

Basically, no matter which exact hydro system you're using, you're going to be running atmospheric air though a nutrient rich solution (or vice versa), which is just an invitation to have your system colonized by opportunistic bacteria.

If you "can" keep everything sterile, so be it, but that's not the only way to go, nor even necessarily the best way. Again, you're not doing brain surgery here, you're growing plants.

The main thing isn't sterility, per se, making sure that your system doesn't get infected by organisms harmful to either your plants or yourself.

Proper pH, temperature, oxygenation, and additives (eg peroxide or beneficial organisms, etc) are all ways of reducing these potential problems without true sterility.
Yes, I understand where your coming from. I'm keeping a close eye on pH and I have fans, and fish pump to keep the res well aerated. Can you explain to me how I can use peroxide to keep sterile? Never heard about using it as an additive. Do I just pour a tiny bit of store bought hydrogen peroxide in the res? No so sure. Just keep in mind I'm a noobie at growing at this point. Thank you again for all your advice!
 
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