thepenofareadywriter
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Christians not wanting to do business with gays...just shows how ignorant they are of the very book that they follow!
Christians not wanting to do business with gays...
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reasonevangelist
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What if we differentiate by catering external events?
If they don't feel comfortable being exposed to homosexuality, who says we should force them to experience that exposure?
What if they say: "i don't want to participate in, or witness a gay wedding, but i have no problem serving anyone who comes to the store."
Would that be acceptable?
What if it was something else that made them feel uncomfortable, just as a matter of principle or personal preference?
You can't legislate imposed traumatizing of people who simply do not feel comfortable in a given scenario.
It's possible they have some kind of mental/emotional/whatever "condition," which makes them overly sensitive to the idea of other people doing 'unconventional' things with their own bodies.
Example: i would never agree to cater a man-hating-feminist convention, regardless of the sexual preferences or gender identity of any of the participants.
A gay business owner would never cater to an anti-gay rally (or maybe they would?).
No one should be forcibly coerced into enabling or facilitating something that causes them personal distress.
If someone has an irrational fear of "gay," that's a mental defect (as are all irrational fears, aka phobias).
What i'm getting at is: despite the fact their reasoning is crippled and perhaps invalid...
As long as religion is allowed to continue openly, people are going to have crippled reasoning and invalid opinions (because all valid opinion must remain compatible with all available facts).
If you raise someone that way from birth (religious), you can't expect them to "just change now because we said so." That's an irrational expectation. Psychic imprints are set. If the person is made to feel uncomfortable because of something 'wrong' in their mind... should anyone be legally obligating them to encounter a type of trauma they've tried to avoid their entire lives? Probably not.
Gays should speak out against the inherent injustice in such cases, but also realize that the best you can do is legislate the prevention of Undue Harm.
Anyone forcing anyone to interact, is Bad. It's ALMOST the same as 'rape'. There are many ways to be traumatically and intimately violated, without involving genitals or even direct physical contact.
If they don't feel comfortable being exposed to homosexuality, who says we should force them to experience that exposure?
What if they say: "i don't want to participate in, or witness a gay wedding, but i have no problem serving anyone who comes to the store."
Would that be acceptable?
What if it was something else that made them feel uncomfortable, just as a matter of principle or personal preference?
You can't legislate imposed traumatizing of people who simply do not feel comfortable in a given scenario.
It's possible they have some kind of mental/emotional/whatever "condition," which makes them overly sensitive to the idea of other people doing 'unconventional' things with their own bodies.
Example: i would never agree to cater a man-hating-feminist convention, regardless of the sexual preferences or gender identity of any of the participants.
A gay business owner would never cater to an anti-gay rally (or maybe they would?).
No one should be forcibly coerced into enabling or facilitating something that causes them personal distress.
If someone has an irrational fear of "gay," that's a mental defect (as are all irrational fears, aka phobias).
What i'm getting at is: despite the fact their reasoning is crippled and perhaps invalid...
As long as religion is allowed to continue openly, people are going to have crippled reasoning and invalid opinions (because all valid opinion must remain compatible with all available facts).
If you raise someone that way from birth (religious), you can't expect them to "just change now because we said so." That's an irrational expectation. Psychic imprints are set. If the person is made to feel uncomfortable because of something 'wrong' in their mind... should anyone be legally obligating them to encounter a type of trauma they've tried to avoid their entire lives? Probably not.
Gays should speak out against the inherent injustice in such cases, but also realize that the best you can do is legislate the prevention of Undue Harm.
Anyone forcing anyone to interact, is Bad. It's ALMOST the same as 'rape'. There are many ways to be traumatically and intimately violated, without involving genitals or even direct physical contact.
thepenofareadywriter
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........ I understand your point and I would agree to it, human to human...but if you are going to live your life according to a book you should follow the rules of the book if you expect to reap of the fruit [rewards]...
'1Co 5:9 In my letter I said to you that you were not to keep company with those who go after the desires of the flesh;
1Co 5:10 But I had not in mind the sinners who are outside the church, or those who have a desire for and take the property of others, or those who give worship to images; for it is not possible to keep away from such people without going out of the world completely:
1Co 5:11 But the sense of my letter was that if a brother had the name of being one who went after the desires of the flesh, or had the desire for other people's property, or was in the way of using violent language, or being the worse for drink, or took by force what was not his, you might not keep company with such a one, or take food with him.
1Co 5:12 For it is no business of mine to be judging those who are outside; but it is yours to be judging those who are among you;
1Co 5:13 As for those who are outside, God is their judge. So put away the evil man from among you.'
Flagg420
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We have reality shows where people who have never even met before get married..... celebrity marriages that last days... and the 'Christians' have no problem with it....
These businesses who hide behind the bible and say "I don't want to serve a gay person" seem to think its perfectly OK to serve... blacks, adulterers, shaven men, non-virgin unmarried women....
Now replace "gay" with any other persecuted group in history.... and its offensive and wrong... "I won't serve black people" "I won't serve Jewish people" it is an act of discrimination, and a violation of civil rights...
You don't have to like them, you don't have to like that serve them.... but if you want the freedom to not be discriminated against for believing your own fairy tales.... you have to give others that same freedom to live their own lives.
Traumatizing? No. Sorry, unless the person is fucking Amish or similar, today's culture and media is saturated with m/m and f/f relationships, and situations with transgendered peoples....
There ARE countries and cultures that actually DO follow religious rules, and would not allow homosexuality... this country however, is based explicitly on a freedom from any one set of religious rules...
And not to mention, if homosexuality were not allowed, because of and by the church.... what the hell is the purpose of an alter boy? Cuz if its not for the priests to molest I think someone should inform the church.... Everyone seems to look the other way when that happens... hide the pedophile and pretend the priest wasn't engaged in homosexuality as well as child molestation....
The church is just a shield for people full of hate hide behind and throw rocks.....
These businesses who hide behind the bible and say "I don't want to serve a gay person" seem to think its perfectly OK to serve... blacks, adulterers, shaven men, non-virgin unmarried women....
Now replace "gay" with any other persecuted group in history.... and its offensive and wrong... "I won't serve black people" "I won't serve Jewish people" it is an act of discrimination, and a violation of civil rights...
You don't have to like them, you don't have to like that serve them.... but if you want the freedom to not be discriminated against for believing your own fairy tales.... you have to give others that same freedom to live their own lives.
Traumatizing? No. Sorry, unless the person is fucking Amish or similar, today's culture and media is saturated with m/m and f/f relationships, and situations with transgendered peoples....
There ARE countries and cultures that actually DO follow religious rules, and would not allow homosexuality... this country however, is based explicitly on a freedom from any one set of religious rules...
And not to mention, if homosexuality were not allowed, because of and by the church.... what the hell is the purpose of an alter boy? Cuz if its not for the priests to molest I think someone should inform the church.... Everyone seems to look the other way when that happens... hide the pedophile and pretend the priest wasn't engaged in homosexuality as well as child molestation....
The church is just a shield for people full of hate hide behind and throw rocks.....
Red1966
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You realize if they actually followed the Bible, they would kill them instead of just not doing business with them? Or is that your preference?
Captain Ron
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But I love gay business with Christians! 
reasonevangelist
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Sorry, you don't get to define whether the other person is or is not traumatized. They do.
Just the same as, you don't get to decide whether another person may or may not be allowed to pursue the desires of their own flesh, based on your approval of their preference.
I'm just trying to tell you guys, some people are literally "queer-phobic" (i won't say they fear sameness... lol).
They experience overwhelming physiological distress, just because of being made aware of the probability that a male they've observed, has had, or continues to have, gay sex with another.
Their distress is real, in that regard, despite the fact it's irrational. That's what a phobia is: irrational fear! It's not chosen, it's a defect. Most of them are made that way by the religious abuse of their parents. They didn't really get a choice in the matter; which, ironically, is similar to the gay-plight. They don't like being treated as lesser, because of how they NATURALLY FEEL.
And those "queer-phobes" are the same way: it's not a choice, they just naturally feel upset by the notion, and by being exposed to reminders of it.
I'm not saying it's a rational thing, but that it's REAL to them. Just as gay is real to the gays.
Both sides should acknowledge each other's discomfort in the matter, and try to find a compatible/functional common ground, so that no one has to be made to feel unduly displeased or affronted.
Both sides have a point. Neither side is acknowledging that of the other.
reasonevangelist
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Also: who do you trust to enforce rights observation properly?
The government?
lol.
The government?
lol.
justugh
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1 if homophobic men would sit the hell down and think .........49% men 51% woman in the world with gay guys fucking each other leaves more ladies for the rest of us .....yes some will go lez fine we need something on the internet ....but really think about it gay men get strait men layed more just on the numbers .........so u should be happy about it
2nd thing is the bible is a twisted book done by a group of men in 300 ad .......if anything i can find stories to justify any veiwpoint i want in the bible and i can find veiwpoints to counter it completely ........so u can completely remove that from the argument ......it is just a pretext for ppl to hide behide
3rd is reiglion is twisted u can not use that again it is just a pretext to let ppl do what they want .........look at the jewish veiw point on it (they do not really care it is a waste but if they are happy nah is the general veiwpoint for centuries )........if u look a hindu they have a whole different veiw with 5 sexes masculinit male masculinit female feminine female feminine male herms (and the herms are placed as being close to god as humanly possible )
it all comes down to the person choice ..........u can not blame anything like that on a whole group of ppl ...........it be like me saying all germans are nazis
2nd thing is the bible is a twisted book done by a group of men in 300 ad .......if anything i can find stories to justify any veiwpoint i want in the bible and i can find veiwpoints to counter it completely ........so u can completely remove that from the argument ......it is just a pretext for ppl to hide behide
3rd is reiglion is twisted u can not use that again it is just a pretext to let ppl do what they want .........look at the jewish veiw point on it (they do not really care it is a waste but if they are happy nah is the general veiwpoint for centuries )........if u look a hindu they have a whole different veiw with 5 sexes masculinit male masculinit female feminine female feminine male herms (and the herms are placed as being close to god as humanly possible )
it all comes down to the person choice ..........u can not blame anything like that on a whole group of ppl ...........it be like me saying all germans are nazis
thepenofareadywriter
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this is the new testament era from what I understand, so they wouldn't have orders to kill them...but the book plainly states that you would have to do your business in another world...in order to not be around certain people...so the book says, if a man claims to be a church member and is of those that straddle the fence,with him do not have business don't even eat with that person. and also it say you want to judge someone, judge those that are members of your church [the holier then thou people]...and don't fret about outsiders
Red1966
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I don't think the new testament negates the old. I try to live by the ten commandments, tho you couldn't call me religious. Personally, I have been to a gay wedding (my cousin's) and didn't have a problem with it. But I don't think anyone should be forced to participate in one if they object to it. I predict every gay baker being sued out of business when anti-gays demand they bake a cake with "Marriage is a Union of a Man and a Woman Only" on it and suing them if/when they refuse.
thepenofareadywriter
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'God has blessed us for standing up for what we believe': Anti-gay Indiana pizza store owner earns $800k in donations after backing 'Religious Freedom Act' and refusing to serve gay weddings
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3025811/God-blessed-standing-believe-Indiana-pizza-owner-celebrates-800k-donations-closed-shop-backlash-homophobic-beliefs.html#ixzz3WaIziryE
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- Crystal O'Connor, owner of Memories Pizza in Walkerton, Indiana, says she stands by her decision to never cater a gay wedding
- This despite the fact that she claims she has been receiving death threats for her beliefs, though none have been documented
- She has closed her store, but said she will reopen again and $850,000 has been raised for the business by supporters in just two days
- O'Connor said in a recent interview of this; 'God has blessed us for standing up for what we believe, and not denying him'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3025811/God-blessed-standing-believe-Indiana-pizza-owner-celebrates-800k-donations-closed-shop-backlash-homophobic-beliefs.html#ixzz3WaIziryE
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reasonevangelist
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Wonder how much of those donations came from tax-exempt churches...
UncleBuck
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that's the old testament, red. the one that is even more gruesome and barbaric than the koran.
i thought you bible thumping christian types didn't believe int hat shit?
guess i was wrong.
you dumb fuck.
UncleBuck
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i would call you religious based on your own statements.
corey1519
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The hole discrimination problem is just more American bullshit. America wants to make everyone happy but cant so they make politically correct ways that they want us to follow just because they cant handle all the different things people have a problem with. So if they choose not to serve gay people, then that's their American right. Why don't you try and go to a gay parade and just bring up God in conversation and watch how you get treated lol, and I bet you aren't going to get a spot on some talk show about how you were discriminated against for being a Christian, or even have it become in issue at all. This is America and if a business owner says I don't want to serve people who don't have shoes on lol then I think anything you could think of would be acceptable. Basically you have two sides of this, the Christian side and all the other people who don't believe in God. Its not a gay versus Christian thing, its a God believing people versus non God believing people. The REAL truth is most people are anti gay when it comes down to it, but because America brainwashed you to think like they want you to, people are too scared to voice their real opinion. Its just like racism, at one point racism was voiced any where and every where, now no one talks about it. But do you think its gone? uh no! I will give you a test to determine whether your anti gay with a couple of questions to answer to your self. If your a straight guy, do you enjoy when gay guys hit on you? If a gay guy walked up to you and grabbed your ass are you going to laugh about it? What about if it was a female, then there would be no problem right? This is because it is not natural to be gay, whether you believe in God or not, its not natural which is why you feel discomfort when one of those things happen. If your straight and you see two of the same sex of people which are the same sex as you, fucking each other in a porn (how ever you come across it lol) does it not make you feel sick in your stomach? If you don't feel some type of gross-ness when that happens then you are not straight. If I'm wrong you tell me why you don't like the same sex grabbing your ass lol. Explain how you feel if that happened. But yeah its not really debatable. Are you going to take away one persons right to make another person happy? If muslims are going to be able to have FUCKING SHARIA LAW IN AMERICA (In Texas no less) then what the fuck are we here complaining about. You should be worried that your daughter is going to be murdered for cheating on her muslim boyfriend.
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tyler.durden
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Those food pantries should simply refuse service to gays, they'd be stocked to the gills...
UncleBuck
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L
O
fuckingL.
you are one of the dumbest shits to wander over here in a long time, and you are going to be ostrcized for the retarded racist bigot you are.
also, hate to break it to ya, but you're probably harboring latent homosexual desires.
tightpockt
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What I don't understand is this; why do they focus on gays? It says right in the same chapter that tattoos are bad, talks about shelfish etc...There are sooooo many things to judge people over why did they pick homosexuality? My theory is that their religion is based on guilt and guilt makes them feel bad. Most people aren't %100 percent heterosexual and the guilt they feel makes them feel bad so in other words: gay = guilt = bad feelings = gay is bad