Cheapest nutrients?
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Gary Goodson
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I also think this has something to do with it. When he was using miracle grow he made sure everyone knew it. Same thing about vipar spectra. Now it's all about roots organic for him. And if you don't agree, he will make you LOL fucking @Olive Drab Green
lol I was light heartedly trying to tell y'all to chill. It did come across as a dick measuring contest though.
Ok fellow RIU'ers.
I once went so cheap that i actually ONLY used house and garden A+B for veg and a A+B, a bit of potash during flower + Koolbloom powder! Thats it ! !
Ended up with almost the same results i usually get with $2000 worth nutrients.
But now, I use quite a lot of $$ stuff because it makes me feel better. Placebo effect...
I once went so cheap that i actually ONLY used house and garden A+B for veg and a A+B, a bit of potash during flower + Koolbloom powder! Thats it ! !
Ended up with almost the same results i usually get with $2000 worth nutrients.
But now, I use quite a lot of $$ stuff because it makes me feel better. Placebo effect...
elfo777
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Lol I do the same. The marketing is getting into our brains. Use this, use that, this will make your buds a lot bigger, this will get them more resin...Ok fellow RIU'ers.
I once went so cheap that i actually ONLY used house and garden A+B for veg and a A+B, a bit of potash during flower + Koolbloom powder! Thats it ! !
Ended up with almost the same results i usually get with $2000 worth nutrients.
But now, I use quite a lot of $$ stuff because it makes me feel better. Placebo effect...
It's all lies. I mean, I bet you can get the same results with 2 or 3 cheap nutrient bottles vs expensive ones. I've seen a guy here with huge nice green plants using only a veg and bloom nutes. That's all you need. I still can't stop using more. I need to make a cheap nutrient grow and compare.
Cx2H
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I gave up on that marketing sheet a few months ago. Secret ingredients are either Kelp, Humic acid, Potash, PGR's, Urine, Guano tea or Pixie dust. All are cheaper by the pound, not the bottle.
Love all the diverse people here, smoke a few and relax and it's spelled fuktard. It's never personal.
Love all the diverse people here, smoke a few and relax and it's spelled fuktard. It's never personal.
elfo777
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I don't get your last line.I gave up on that marketing sheet a few months ago. Secret ingredients are either Kelp, Humic acid, Potash, PGR's, Urine, Guano tea or Pixie dust. All are cheaper by the pound, not the bottle.
Love all the diverse people here, smoke a few and relax and it's spelled fuktard. It's never personal.
Oh nvm.
since1991
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Veg Bloom from Hydroponic Research is damn good and fairly cheap. Its a dry powder. Has everything in it plus a little silica kelp humics and aminos. Ionic Grow and Bloom at 35 bucks a gallon is cheaper than most. Its a one part. But it takes 4 tsp per gallon of water to hit target. CNS17 from Botanicare is cheap as hell and a one part also. Similar to Ionic. Dynagro one part is very concentrated and cheap considering what very little you use. Around 50 bucks a gallon amd only a tsp per gallon of water to get you there. GH 6/9 is pretty inexpensive. For you coco growers (me too)....Nutrifield Coco A & B is jist as good as Canna and House and Garden base but only 65 bucks for 5 liters of A and 5 liters of B. From Hydrogalaxy - free shipping.Way cheaper and Its better. Has kelp silica and humics already in it. Your not going to find Canna H&G or Advanced that cheap.Stay away from the additives really and base nutes arent that pricey for what you get. A good Kelp/Humic foliar in veg every few days. A silica (not really needed but recommended) and thats it. PK boosters dont do much for me but if i were to use one....Ionic Boost is cheaper than most (there all mono poatssium phosphate) . For root promoters ive done side by sides with Roots Excel...Rapid Root...Greenfuse...Rhizotonic and General Organics BioRoot and Bioweed. The GO bottles did the same as those pricey small aluminum bottle and Rhizo stuff but at 15 bucks a quArt.
MANGOBICHE
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Rationalize being an asshat much?
Something tells me you gop thru life "wrongly assuming" as you so eloquently put it. The worlds full of premisconceptive souls like you.
Carolina Dream'n
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I've never used more than 12ml per gallon with ionic. Each tsp is roughly .5EC added to your water.
since1991
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Really? 10 to 12 ml (two tsp)or.roughly half dilution it says on the bottle is what i use for newly rooted cuts and young plants. A full 4 tsp puts me at about 700 ppm (1.4 ec) and this is with 110 ppm (0.2 ec) tap water.
since1991
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What type ec or tds meter you using?
Carolina Dream'n
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Blue lab Guardian or Combo Meter.
I am also speaking on Ionic Bloom (3-2-6). It's the only bottle I use.
Chorse
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"Premisconceptive? Wow, were you a speech writer for George Bush?" he said, eloquently.
Something tells me, you go through life with worms.
since1991
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The bluelab combo...thats what i use. And yeah. Its a little over 0.5 ec per tsp per gallon of water with Ionic.
since1991
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I really liked the Ionic for Soil and Coco before they changed it to just soil (the American HDI version). The just soil version has way less calcium now. Wish HDI...like Growth Technology in Europe...would come out with a high cal and mag with lower K Ionic Coco specific one part jug. They also raised the price a few months back. Fukers. I know all about HDI products. They recently re released amd reformulated the ole Europonic A&B base nute. That was a popular brand back in the day with rockwool slab growers. I know some of the cats that actually make the Ionic and Europonic line in East Lansing. If i but enough to make it worth the while....they will mix up a batch custom tailored to my start water...medium...grow style...and setup. HDI is good people. Wish they would of never let go of Harley Smith. That cat knows his shit.
since1991
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If any of yall know anything about plant nutrients...you will know of the huge stumbling block it takes to make a full essential mineral profiled nutrient in a one pack. There are some company brands out there that do it but Ionic was and is still the first to do it with a chemical reaction process where the calcium amd sulphur do not react and precipitate with each other. Engineered and formulated by Dr. Carl Barry in the early nineties. How they do it is still largely a company secret. Dr. Linda Morgan (consultant and maker of Suntec/CNS17) tried it. And its ok. But uses a sugar based filler to keep it all plant soluble and still a one part. More of a suspension than a true solution (there is a difference) . The good folks at DynaGro did it years and years ago but they still squeak by....sometimes customers finding jugs on the shelves with a distinct noise of rocks in the bottle upon shake up....pure calcium precipitate....thats totally unavailable to your plants. Growth Technology was also the first to market plant grade hydrogen peroxide for massive oxygen release in recalculating NFT systems bafk in the day. Still to this day i believe hydrogen peroxide is highly underrated in closed loop recirc hydroponic systems. Back in this before time i remember as a kid reading an article and interview about Giles Gunstone(Growth Technology) in defunct Growing Edge magazine (our bible) predicting the proliferation in the future of the hydro additives. This was back when there were only a handful of brands on the shelves. And mostly bases. He said in the future the stores will be inundated with hydroponic additives. He was right. Iam stoned and rambling.