Can't figure out what's wrong :(

mariowarner said:

Thanks for pointing out everything that's wrong with my grow I thought that reading about it for a year would be sufficent to grow something decent... But I guess I followed too much the reasoning of "it's just a weed that can grow anywhere" and when the first signs of a deficiency showed up, I panicked I tried different stuff that were not good for the plant.... The biggest problem here was that I didn't put a lot of nutes in the beginning (25% of max recommendation), so everything pointed out to a defficiency... That's why I added some nutes afterwards (as some people told me to do).

Next run will be better, I promise

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Im sure you'll do a lot better!! GL bruh!!

mariowarner said:

Thanks for pointing out everything that's wrong with my grow I thought that reading about it for a year would be sufficent to grow something decent... But I guess I followed too much the reasoning of "it's just a weed that can grow anywhere" and when the first signs of a deficiency showed up, I panicked I tried different stuff that were not good for the plant.... The biggest problem here was that I didn't put a lot of nutes in the beginning (25% of max recommendation), so everything pointed out to a defficiency... That's why I added some nutes afterwards (as some people told me to do).

Next run will be better, I promise

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I read about growing weed all the time and I never heard of your soil or your nutes. You should try a common method that other's have had success with before experimenting with new stuff. A lot of people have had success with Pro Mix and GH nutes or Dynagro nutes and several others. Good luck next time.

how far away are those lights just curious.
those things look so unhappy lmao, i only feed after the plant needs it, which is after ive transplanted into the biggest pot then wait like 3-5 weeks after that

70's natureboy said:

I read about growing weed all the time and I never heard of your soil or your nutes. You should try a common method that other's have had success with before experimenting with new stuff. A lot of people have had success with Pro Mix and GH nutes or Dynagro nutes and several others. Good luck next time.

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Well Pro Mix is soilless I think so it was unfortunately a no go for me. And the Gaia Green fertilizers are just a bunch of amendments people buy separate and mix together when preparing an organic soil mix. Idealy I would source every component separated but I have space issues so this already made mix seems a good solution. I guess I have some adjustments to do, but I will be more aware the next grow!

Nizza said:

look so unhappy lmao

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I know, it breaks my heart... But I added some epsom salts and I can see the bottom leaves getting greener.

Nizza said:

how far away are those lights just curious

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They are @15" @115w right now.

Nizza said:

i only feed after the plant needs it, which is after ive transplanted into the biggest pot then wait like 3-5 weeks after that

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Yeah, that's what I will probably do do next time as well. But I didn't add that many nutes in there, I think it was really just a lack of microbes and mag... We'll see in a few days!

if its worth it give it a little less love they can bounce back it may take a bit so if your on a short schedule you might want to pop an extra seed as insurance
less love and more focus on all the controlled parts of the room take it back to the basics
is my soil proper (not dirt) is my water usuable?
can ventilation and temperature/ humidity be better controlled
is the light at the proper height and are my genetics good
you can chase a lot of easy to fix issues by overlooking small things like this, so if you control all these things you dont get sent on a wild goose chase

i always will use good soil, if the plant has any deficiencies its most likely root bound and i transplant instead of feeding. once in the final pot and usually after 3-5 weeks which is right around flip time for my size grow, ill start to feed. Your soil should do most of the work you just need to take care of the rest. too much love can kill stuff

good luck brother and stop adding anything if you have good soil and not dirt.

here is an awesome thread that gave me a lot of insight of how not to over look the simple things https://www.rollitup.org/t/plant-moisture-stress-symptoms-and-solutions.150004/

@Bernie420 I could get my hands on this product. What do you think about it?
https://www.gardenerspantry.ca/activated-em.html

PS : The plants look a bit better after the epsom salts (watered once and foliar spray a few times a day) and some more vermicompost, albeit still lime green. Also, I switched the lighting to 18/6 instead of 20/4 as I read somewhere that the plants take more care of themselves during dark periods. Does this make sense?

Nizza said:

if its worth it give it a little less love they can bounce back it may take a bit so if your on a short schedule you might want to pop an extra seed as insurance
less love and more focus on all the controlled parts of the room take it back to the basics
is my soil proper (not dirt) is my water usuable?
can ventilation and temperature/ humidity be better controlled
is the light at the proper height and are my genetics good
you can chase a lot of easy to fix issues by overlooking small things like this, so if you control all these things you dont get sent on a wild goose chase

i always will use good soil, if the plant has any deficiencies its most likely root bound and i transplant instead of feeding. once in the final pot and usually after 3-5 weeks which is right around flip time for my size grow, ill start to feed. Your soil should do most of the work you just need to take care of the rest. too much love can kill stuff

good luck brother and stop adding anything if you have good soil and not dirt.

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Yeah I'm in no hurry and want to try to fix this and learn. I tried my best to control the different environments, I think the biggest mistake was not beeing able to control humidity... Soil, temp, lighting and genetics were definitely good and I followed some organic thread to prepare my soil (https://www.rollitup.org/t/organic-growing-an-introductory-guide.921380/).

Nizza said:

here is an awesome thread that gave me a lot of insight of how not to over look the simple things https://www.rollitup.org/t/plant-moisture-stress-symptoms-and-solutions.150004/

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I've read A LOT about UBs different threads, even this one, but still couldn't figure out what was wrong... I've looked for different symptomes that come up in the thread and could not match it with my plants... Maybe I overread something?

Thank you for taking the time to help man, it is really appreciated! Even though I have some problems with my grow, the community is one aspect that keeps me going on and on!

mariowarner said:

@Bernie420 I could get my hands on this product. What do you think about it?
https://www.gardenerspantry.ca/activated-em.html

PS : The plants look a bit better after the epsom salts (watered once and foliar spray a few times a day) and some more vermicompost, albeit still lime green. Also, I switched the lighting to 18/6 instead of 20/4 as I read somewhere that the plants take more care of themselves during dark periods. Does this make sense?

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Buy the one liter one and try it i guess if thats what you can get.

Yes plants do alot during the night

Only foliar spray once a day epsom salt and a small amount of dish soap as a surfactant will keep in a sprayer so you dont have to mix a batch every time. ppm should be about 150-200

Mr Canuck Grow on youtube uses Gaia Green amendments and does great. Follow his recipe:
Than watch this for how to top dress after initial mixing of the medium:

jtrizzy said:

Mr Canuck Grow on youtube uses Gaia Green amendments and does great. Follow his recipe:

Than watch this for how to top dress after initial mixing of the medium:

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Thanks man, glad to see that others also use Gaia with success so I can focus on other problem sources

Palmerrdgrower said:

You’re going to have to ph your water to 6.5. Or something bad will happen to them

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mariowarner said:

Thanks man, I really appreciate you helping me! Is, in your opinion, the ph'd water necessary (have to drive out a bit get the kit...) or should the dolomite lime already in the starting mix do the job here?

EDIT : just got the epsom salts, can't wait to try it out!

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You're not Outdoors so you keep asking about growing outdoors but I don't know why, start pH'ing your water, get a cheap pH meter. Dolomite lime isn't going to be the end-all be-all I use it too in Fox Farm but it's not the end-all be-all. pH your water or you're going to have nightmares all the time indoors, good luck

Beachwalker said:

You're not Outdoors so you keep asking about growing outdoors but I don't know why, start pH'ing your water, get a cheap pH meter. Dolomite lime isn't going to be the end-all be-all I use it too in Fox Farm but it's not the end-all be-all. pH your water or you're going to have nightmares all the time indoors, good luck

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Yeah that's what I figured out. I guess I overrated the efficiency of dolomite lime... I've read also that a lot of people were not ph-ing their tap water and still grew successfully. I'll put every chance on my side this time.

mariowarner said:

Yeah that's what I figured out. I guess I overrated the efficiency of dolomite lime... I've read also that a lot of people were not ph-ing their tap water and still grew successfully. I'll put every chance on my side this time.

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My tap water now is 7.5. In the summer when the table is low I seen 8.5 ph. My promix is neutral I to grew nice plants with out lowering my ph But once I started and seen the end result I will never go back

mariowarner said:

Thanks man, glad to see that others also use Gaia with success so I can focus on other problem sources

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no problem. OH and he PH's his water to 6.5-6.8 in coco using Gaia Green, I forget why but he explains why in one of those videos.

mariowarner said:

Yeah that's what I figured out. I guess I overrated the efficiency of dolomite lime... I've read also that a lot of people were not ph-ing their tap water and still grew successfully. I'll put every chance on my side this time.

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If you've got great soil in 7 gallon or larger pots maybe, but why chance it you're more than likely going to run into issues if you don't pH adjust

I fail to see where your starting soil was too hot. In fact I would say it would need additional amendments early on to be of any good. The NPK of your soil mix alone is only: 1.25: 1.9: .27...hardly much at all. With that being said adding a 25% addition of Gaia Green, and then following it up with a 75% addition; you may have added too much. Out of curiosity, what did you consider to be a 25% addition and likewise a 75% addition?

As to your water source. You don't really specify what you're using in terms of a water supply. Are you in fact using rain water, creek water, river water, tap water or something else entirely? Generally speaking water pH shouldn't be a big deal being you're in soil but extremes can and do happen and if you're too far to one end of the pH spectrum or the other, you'll experience issues. I would check your water source pH just to be sure.

Be sure you're watering correctly. In other words be sure your plants aren't being over / under watered. Use the 'lift' method, over the finger in the soil method if you're unsure. Don't 'flush'...start over if you get to this point.

In short I'd confirm you don't have anything crazy happening in terms of pH and I'd be sure of your watering techniques. Once you can wholeheartedly confirm those two variables, then I'd go looking at what needs to be added and / or taken away in terms of nutrients.

Just my two cents; good luck.

Hi CannaCountry,

Thanks for the lengthy answer!

CannaCountry said:

Out of curiosity, what did you consider to be a 25% addition and likewise a 75% addition?

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I put around 2tbsp per gallon (50%) when I transplanted from solo cups into 1 gallon fabric pots and around 1 1/2 tbsp per gallon as top dressing a month later. See the pics for the product recommendation.

CannaCountry said:

As to your water source. You don't really specify what you're using in terms of a water supply. Are you in fact using rain water, creek water, river water, tap water or something else entirely? Generally speaking water pH shouldn't be a big deal being you're in soil but extremes can and do happen and if you're too far to one end of the pH spectrum or the other, you'll experience issues. I would check your water source pH just to be sure.

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I use tap water which is around 7-8ish and goes down to 6.5-7ish (it's hard to see with those drops...) after letting it sit for a few days. After some comments here I added a drop of dish soap and 1.5g of epsom salt to the water.

CannaCountry said:

Be sure you're watering correctly. In other words be sure your plants aren't being over / under watered. Use the 'lift' method, over the finger in the soil method if you're unsure. Don't 'flush'...start over if you get to this point.

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Yeah first I used the finger technique, but after a while I bought a soil hygrometer and use the lift technique as well to double check. I water every 5-6 days or so, but as the leaves are always kind of droopy, it's hard to tell if underwater... For example, I watered 2 days ago when the leaves were droopy, then yesterday the leaves seemed a lot better (in the top but the bottom ones were still droopy) and today they're all droopy again (see pics)...

I am so confused and am thinking about just starting new seeds but I'm afraid I'll get the same problems... The seeds sprouted mid-december and the plants are still real tiny... Here's a link to day 26, I stopped after that... https://imgur.com/a/c53Z6Eq. After day 26, it just went downwards.

Thanks for your help!

mariowarner said:

after letting it sit for a few days. After some comments here I added a drop of dish soap and 1.5g of epsom salt to the water.

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foliar feed this once a day at 1 gr per gal then use some grow. kelp. humic acid. cal mag. and some microbes at the roots with good lighting and environment these should bounce back.

Under fed over watered lack of mag
Hit it with some grow nutes of the liquid type