Cancer!?

Zakola

Zakola

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"They" don't want us to be healthy, does not make enough money. "They" don't want to kill but make us sick, that makes good money. Healthcare is a corporation and corporations must make a better profit each year. Do "they" want to heal us? No way. "They" need the sick to fuel their system. Same thing with justice. "They" absolutely feed us with cancer daily...but in a democratic way. You are currently looking at something giving out radioactive waves slowly rotting you out. Hehe
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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j.GrEeN.< said:
CANCER is a MINERAL DEFICIENCY!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDhNuuwUsgw
 Akin to a P-H problem with plants.(acidic soil)

Acidic BODY PH = Low oxygen absorption / More Conducive Environment
Neutral--->>Alkaline PH= Higher oxygen absorption / Less Conducive Environment

CANCER CONSPIRACY/pt1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26JqmLGw3KE&feature=related

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you may think you doing the world a service by posting this bullshit. but i assure you that your causing nothing but harm
 
Doer

Doer

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Zakola said:
"They" don't want us to be healthy, does not make enough money. "They" don't want to kill but make us sick, that makes good money. Healthcare is a corporation and corporations must make a better profit each year. Do "they" want to heal us? No way. "They" need the sick to fuel their system. Same thing with justice. "They" absolutely feed us with cancer daily...but in a democratic way. You are currently looking at something giving out radioactive waves slowly rotting you out. Hehe
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How ridiculous. How many times have you almost died? Unless you can speak with the experience I have, you are just spreading garbage. It says more about you than the subject you propose. No cure yet for what you seem to have swallowed.

Go back to no health care, pre-Lister. Then march your mind forward, if you can. Steve Jobs proposed this idea to his doctors as he declined the treatment that could have saved him. That's what garbage does. When I was diagnosed with Stage 3 colon cancer and then picked up Hep C in the hospital, I'm glad I didn't listen to you. I didn't listen to putting my food on purple plates and pray for Purple intervention. Seriously? Oh yeah.

That was 15 years ago, Finally got clear of it all, just 3 years ago. Imaging every 6 months still. Imagine you there, even just 25 years ago. Woops! No you. Didn't make it. Tough death. Too bad.

I wouldn't wish that on you. Why foist this garbage on us? Health Care and Justice are modern and fragile privileges you don't seem to grasp.
 
Zoltan44x

Zoltan44x

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Zakola said:
"They" don't want us to be healthy, does not make enough money. "They" don't want to kill but make us sick, that makes good money. Healthcare is a corporation and corporations must make a better profit each year. Do "they" want to heal us? No way. "They" need the sick to fuel their system. Same thing with justice. "They" absolutely feed us with cancer daily...but in a democratic way. You are currently looking at something giving out radioactive waves slowly rotting you out. Hehe
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Totally agree with You
 
ChronicClouds

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Doer said:
How ridiculous. How many times have you almost died? Unless you can speak with the experience I have, you are just spreading garbage. It says more about you than the subject you propose. No cure yet for what you seem to have swallowed.

Go back to no health care, pre-Lister. Then march your mind forward, if you can. Steve Jobs proposed this idea to his doctors as he declined the treatment that could have saved him. That's what garbage does. When I was diagnosed with Stage 3 colon cancer and then picked up Hep C in the hospital, I'm glad I didn't listen to you. I didn't listen to putting my food on purple plates and pray for Purple intervention. Seriously? Oh yeah.

That was 15 years ago, Finally got clear of it all, just 3 years ago. Imaging every 6 months still. Imagine you there, even just 25 years ago. Woops! No you. Didn't make it. Tough death. Too bad.

I wouldn't wish that on you. Why foist this garbage on us? Health Care and Justice are modern and fragile privileges you don't seem to grasp.
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You do realize medicine is BIG business right? now IDK about praying over paper plates, but just because you don't believe good food and proper nutrition won't cure or prevent cancer doesn't make you right. Do a little more research good health is from nutritious food. It's about balancing your diet. especially your colon. and it's a fact that the chemo is what kills most cancer patients before the cancer even gets a chance, but most places will label the death as cancer caused. despite the fact radiation is what killed them first.
 
ChronicClouds

ChronicClouds

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Zakola said:
"They" don't want us to be healthy, does not make enough money. "They" don't want to kill but make us sick, that makes good money. Healthcare is a corporation and corporations must make a better profit each year. Do "they" want to heal us? No way. "They" need the sick to fuel their system. Same thing with justice. "They" absolutely feed us with cancer daily...but in a democratic way. You are currently looking at something giving out radioactive waves slowly rotting you out. Hehe
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IDK who 'they' are/is but why is fluoride in my water? Why are GMO crops killing the live stock that eat them? good questions to ask. They do feed us cancer and feed our food cancer too.
 
merkzilla

merkzilla

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fluoride is naturally in some water sources, when its added its to help prevent tooth decay. Like I've had this argument before, and the people quoted alex jones. Following alex jones sources on 'fluoride is the devil' stuff, you find it traces back to a completely bunk non scientific organization. As far as gmo goes, are you kidding me? For fuck sake, it has nothing to do with gmo, we're feeding grazing animals starches instead of their normal diet.
 
Ilovebush

Ilovebush

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One Dr even claimed cancer can be attributed to a fungus...LOL. I guess they put so much bullshit out there just to confuse the he'll outta people. Too much info can be equally detrimental to someone who thinks YouTube is the solution to every problem. I don't think u can claim any one factor to be the underlying cause of any cancer as the "nature vs nurture" will definitely come into play. No offence, but this thread is a waste as this is a topic best left to people who specialize in the study of cancers. One thing I can say with confidence is don't expect to ever hear the truth from YouTube. I do agree that governments do not want cancer to be eradicated as it would not make any sense. Look up population control if u believe in conspiracies and what the ramifications of curing cancer would be.
 
Doer

Doer

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ChronicClouds said:
You do realize medicine is BIG business right? now IDK about praying over paper plates, but just because you don't believe good food and proper nutrition won't cure or prevent cancer doesn't make you right. Do a little more research good health is from nutritious food. It's about balancing your diet. especially your colon. and it's a fact that the chemo is what kills most cancer patients before the cancer even gets a chance, but most places will label the death as cancer caused. despite the fact radiation is what killed them first.
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More BS, you have obviously not had chemo, like me, 3 times. Don't be a Luddite with Medicine. The person you kill may not be you, but some somebody that bought into it. When you tell us that you "cured" cancer with diet, I will listen to why you think that.

The weird part is, I was a lot like Steve Jobs. Vegan, Spirtual, egotistic. So, how did I get colon cancer? It's not in my family.

And please, in our Science forum, this non-fact, cocktail party, nattering seems silly, to me, without any references.

"fact that the chemo is what kills most cancer patients before the cancer even gets a chance, but most places will label the death as cancer caused. despite the fact radiation is what killed them first."

We thank you for your opinion. I know many flolks now, saved by radiation and chemo. You've never been there. I can tell. You still have your delicious sense of immortality, right? Ready to pontificate from the lofty perch of heath.

And of course, the usual re-parsing of the discourse. I never said the words you put in my mouth,. "just because you don't believe good food and proper nutrition won't cure or prevent cancer doesn't make you right."

Never said I was right, only experienced. And I never talked against good nutrition. Medicine is science. Health Care is
a business.
 
Doer

Doer

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Ilovebush said:
. No offence, but this thread is a waste as this is a topic best left to people who specialize in the study of cancers. One thing I can say with confidence is don't expect to ever hear the truth from YouTube. I do agree that governments do not want cancer to be eradicated as it would not make any sense. Look up population control if u believe in conspiracies and what the ramifications of curing cancer would be.
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WOW! That's saying we can't think for ourselves. Sound like you believe in the conspiracies. Not much truth anywhere, I'd say. Science is not a conspiracy and neither is govt. We want both, remember? Else it's witch burning an blood in the streets. Don't forget history.
 
Zoltan44x

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Doer said:
WOW! That's saying we can't think for ourselves. Sound like you believe in the conspiracies. Not much truth anywhere, I'd say. Science is not a conspiracy and neither is govt. We want both, remember? Else it's witch burning an blood in the streets. Don't forget history.
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Do You even know that there are alternative and inexpensive cancer treatments , waiting for decades to get approved by FDA ?
Naltrexone is one of them and able to make wonders by blocking opioid receptors. http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/

Cannabinoids are also giving option to cure many disaeses. But still its forbidden in all around the world.
Do You ask your self why ?
They want us to buy their useless treatments or die. Thats a conspiracy.
 
Doer

Doer

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No, your post is a conspiracy. You aren't posting the reason why the FDA doesn't approve thes drugs. I've been off label. It's no fun, but the effective ones that bring more good than harm are approved. I challenge you to prove your claim. This is the science forum. References please.

I'll bet you can't say who "they" are. In my deep, self serving studies of the raw feed of the drug approval pipeline, I can assure you, there is no "they." It's all us. Every drug tested has genuine reasons for passing or not. You can look them up.
 
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mag8485

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  • There has been over 800 peer reviewed studies that have shown in animal studies and tissue culture that endocannabinoids (the ones are body produces naturally and phytocannabinoids (from cannabis plant) kill cancer cells. Then there is a huge amount of anecdotal evidence from people who have used cannabis oil on various cancers and have cured themselves. Rick Simpson found out about this when he tried the oil on his skin cancer back in 2003, after he contacted the WHO, cancer research organisations and government in Canada but no one would listen to him. He grew it on his land and gave it out to people who wanted it for cancers and other illnesses and they had success, then the government tried to put him in prison even though doctors turned up to the court case and supported his claims, he now lives in exile.
    Its a brilliant control or cure so many illnesses, as the endocannabinoid system in our bodies is responsible for keeping us healthy. Right now a american company called Cannabis Science INC operating in Colorado is supplying oil to people with skin cancer and documenting the results with photographs on their website. Two people have been cured so far and have biopsy's that show cancer was there and cancer is gone after using this extract topically. Professor at Colorado university Dr Bob Melemede who started the company believes the pharmaceutical industry is trying to synthetically create all cannabinoids so they can patent them. I think if they manage to synthetically create all the cannabinoids in the cannabis plant the FDA will after accept cannabis has medical value and as they have synthetically created all cannabinoids they don't need to legalise it, they will tell people its not necessary and dangerous to have it legalised. Cancer treatments create billions of dollars for BigPharma, they dont want a plant cure which anybody can make and if grown on a mass scales would be cheap as olive oil. A prostate cancer patient Dennis Hill said he stopped taking all medications once he started on the cannabis oil, it reduced his blood pressure, he didn't need his expensive anti spasmodic pills as cannbais relaxes muscles and he didnt go through with the radiation and chemo as after 6 months on the oil his prostate cancer was gone. Studies have even shown cannabinoids are anti bacterial. GWpharma the british company who make Sativex (a diluted spray cannabis oil) for MS patients have this up on their website about the cancer killing properties of cannabinoids.http://www.gwpharm.com/oncology.aspx

    Studies can be found here
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/

    Check out this videos

    Run from the cure (The rick Simpson story)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI

    What if cannabis cured cancer (full documentary)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bMt83_IWkE

    Skin cancer cured
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tghU...source=message

    Prostate cancer cured
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym0BSdEIjJA

    Another documentary just released on 5 april called Chronic Future - Killing Cancer is not on the internet yet but should be interesting.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsN6dhhFaao


    Also here is another amazing video of a diabetic Ulcer being cured by applying cannabis oil topically (man had it for 3 years and now its gone)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fsiF...90067B54757308

    Boy 4, with a rare form of diabetes has gone from having multiple seizures per day to one every two weeks (on average) by using the cannabinoid CBD oil. (CBD is non psychoactive) His dad is slowly taking him off his expensive medications which don't work. His son is talking for this first time and making dramatic improvements in his social skills. I follow his story on Facebook, its called Jason and Jaden's Journey.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY7uWfqoPzk

    The list of illnesses cannabis oil works with is endless. The oil is highly concentrated and when taken orally non is wasted, smoking is very inefficient as 90% goes up in smoke. 1 gram of oil which is recommended per day to cure cancers is like 10 grams of strong 20% + THC bud extracted and taken orally so non is wasted.

    I hope this information helps people, research into it yourself if your interested. There is alot of groups on Facebook with people talking about their stories with the different ailments people are using it for.​


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Doer

Doer

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Thanks for the NIH link. As for the rest, respectfully I have to say, anecdotal is not any kind of evidence. Cancer can, will and does remit spontaneously. Same for ulcers and anything else. Most Doctors will tell you that.

The placebo effect is very powerful and not even acknowledged as a primary curative. I will certainly not discount it. I used it heavily as directed intention, contemplation and visualization during my problems.

I just say what my Dr. say. Use everything at your disposal if you get cancer. But, don't mortgage your house for Purple Plate miracles.

Don't poison and or fail yourself with snake oils. By all means, eat smoke and otherwise consume cannabis everyday. But, don't put all your eggs in that basket.

It made the difference for me of sticking to it or quiting the most raw, mind boggling chemo of all. Interferon combos for Hep C. I tolerated it, barely, ate and smoked a lot of cannabis and am virus free for the last 5 years.
 
Zoltan44x

Zoltan44x

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It's nice to hear that You made it. Here's some more info about LDN treatment. For anyone interested...

Below studies can be found here http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/NCI_Conference_Apr_2007.pdf


Personal experience with LDN for various cancers – Burton Berkson, M.D., Ph.D


Dr. Berkson shared his experiences of LDN by demonstrating four interesting cases. The cases showed
that LDN is well tolerated and to date, some of the patients suffering from pancreatic cancer, B-Cell NonHodgkins Lymphoma are alive and well.
All of the mentioned patients received low dose naltrexone at
4.5mg Qhs, in addition to incorporating a healthy lifestyle, diet, supplemented with alpha-lipoic acid and
vitamins. The patients reported an improved quality of life and stable disease ranging up to 55 months on
naltrexone therapy. PET Scans showed notable improvements for several patients. In some cases where
CT showed no major change in tumor size, the PET scan did show a change in uptake after naltrexone
was administered which did correlate with clinical improvement. There was not a significant change in
the sizes of the tumors, but LDN played a major role in stopping the activity of the disease.




II. Clinical experience with LDN in Crohn’s Disease/ Pancreatic Cancer – Jill Smith, M.D.


Treatment: The patients who met inclusion criteria were treated with naltrexone 4.5 mg qhs for 12 weeks
followed by a 4-week follow-up off medication. The subjects stayed on baseline medications during study
at the same doses and infliximab was not allowed. In order to evaluate a response, blood tests for
inflammatory markers, CDAI scores, and quality life surveys were evaluated monthly. A response to
treatment occurred when the CDAI scores decreased by 70 points, and remission was categorized with a
score of 150 or less.
Results: 17 subjects completed the pilot study. 2 subjects with open fistulas had closure. 2 subjects
discontinued routine medication and one flared. The other did well and continued on naltrexone alone.
Overall, after LDN therapy, there was a statistically significant improvement in CDAI scores, improved
Quality of Life, increased chance of remission, decreased blood inflammatory markers and minimal side
effects.
Advantages of Naltrexone: (1) May be administered orally, (2) Down-regulates but does not eliminate
proinflammatory cytokines, (3) few side effects, (4) once a day dosing, (5) Cost effective.




III. Opioid Growth Factor (OGF) in Pancreatic Cancer – Jill Smith, M.


Results: To date, there are 23 patients enrolled and treated. 4 patients were evaluated and not enrolled.
OGF was well tolerated. Quality of life appears better than chemotherapy. The weeks of treatment ranged
from 1-27 weeks. Thus far, 2 patients are alive on therapy; one regression of primary tumor, some
decreases in CA19-9 noted and there is a stabilization of disease.
Conclusion: Treatment of pancreatic cancer is a challenge. Opioid growth factor inhibits growth of
pancreatic cancer in culture, mice and humans. OGF appears to improve survival in human subject and
improve Quality of Life. The combination therapy with gemcitabine has potential with promising results.
More research is needed in the area of opioids and treatment of various cancers.


More can be read here http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/ldn_trials.htm#Recent


LDN treatment on Chron's disease
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00715117?term=crohns+smith&rank=2
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17222320?dopt=Abstract


How an Overlooked Drug Relieves Cancer, AIDS, MS, and Immune System Disorders for a Dollar a Day
http://www.googleldn.com/
 
1Shot1Kill

1Shot1Kill

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Cancer is extremely easy to prevent and sorta hard to cure, but it can be done. It can at least be controlled after obtaining it.

Maintain <15% animal protein in your diet, eat green leafy vegetables every day, dont smoke or expose yourself to carcinogenic substances(burnt food), and stay happy. Stress is a huge contributor to cancer.

Heart disease is preventable as well as diabetes. People think its hereditary. The only thing that is hereditary is the ignorance of proper nutrition :-o
 
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mag8485

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I think if someone tells their story about how they cured themselves with cannabis oil, it should be taken seriously, as with any anecdote about a medicine helping someone. Its not our modern standard for evidence but it doesn't mean its not true just because no official study has been done with human cancer patients yet. Cannabis was made illegal in every country in the UN in 1961, being illegal has held back research. I just don't trust the worlds leading pharmaceutical companies have peoples health as their number one concern. I believe profits come before the patient. So when i first heard about cannabis oil curing cancer i was open minded and looked into it further, i didn't believe it first but using my judgement i felt it might be true especially as all the videos and documentary's made by people were telling people to grow it themselves and showing how to make it, no one was saying 'buy it here'. Its now been two years and after reading the studies and listening to around 30 people who have used it and are cancer free i believe it works and I would use it before any chemotherapy or radiation treatment. I am aware that cancers can remit spontaneously but i don't think its likely that all these people who have used the cannabis oil by coincidence had their tumour's remit spontaneously and the cannabinoids were not responsible even though studies show cannabinoids kill cancer cells. But everyone is free to formulate their own opinion. Everyone should be free to use whatever they want for medicine. Always good to do your own research and not take anyone's word on medicine, even good doctors have sadly prescribed medicine to people which has killed them. Its great you had success using chemo and im glad cannabis helped you through it. Lets hope a major pharma company pays for the trials and proves it is the cure. It will open the door for a huge industry, start alot of research into the best combination of cannabinoids to target different cancers and other illnesses. Different strains can be approved for different illnesses and people can buy a seed and grow their own plants at home and store cannabinoid oil for use when needed. But as i said before i think BigPharma prefers to synthetically create all the cannabinoids in the plant so they can patent them and with synthetic cannabinoids available by bigpharma, no government would be obliged to make the plant legal. Business as usual.

My friend has been taking a huge combination of anti anxiety pills, anti depressants and sleeping pills for years and they cost the tax payer an absolute fortune and he is addicted and pops twice as many as recommended. I'm gonna get him on high CBD oil which i will extract from the industrial hemp plant, CBD has shown to be anti-xiolytic and anti-depressant. I will post the results.
 
Doer

Doer

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Yes, don't get me wrong. If you want have the chance to live longer, stay health and above that stay strong, Physically. My 84 year old Dad, just took a tumble. He missed a step and ended up chest planting, almost face planting. But, the spry old WW2 vet was quick enough to get his hand and elbow down (dislocated it) and had enough presence to use his neck muscles to protect his head. Still it almost killed him.

Lucky he was leaving the hospital at the time. :) His blood pressure was danger low for hours.

And no one is a statistic. I was variously given no chance, 10% chance, 40%, etc. But, like dear old dad said, "Lots of guys in that 10%. Be one of them." But, I also believe our Super-Consciousness is in charge of healing. I think that's why the placebo effect can be a primary cure. I believe cannabis is a palliative for the Super-C, allows better, directed visualizations, etc.

I have to say though, all the "them and they" gets us nowhere. There is a real scientific reason for strict study protocols. The false trails and red herrings kill a lot of people still. So much so, many here believe the reason for gov't and medical research is to rip us off. No. It exists for unassailable good reasons. And Human Nature takes advantage of anything. These Institutions exist to reduce the rip-off and make persistent record keeping possible. It's so we learn, not perfectly, but, marginally and hopefully with some success.

My advice, take your meds and consume the cannabis also. Use Eastern and Western tried and true. No Purple Plates or Voodoo. :) Thanks again for the science based links. Do everything to get and keep TOP health. You may need it.
 
Doer

Doer

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1Shot1Kill said:
Cancer is extremely easy to prevent and sorta hard to cure, but it can be done. It can at least be controlled after obtaining it.

Maintain <15% animal protein in your diet, eat green leafy vegetables every day, dont smoke or expose yourself to carcinogenic substances(burnt food), and stay happy. Stress is a huge contributor to cancer.

Heart disease is preventable as well as diabetes. People think its hereditary. The only thing that is hereditary is the ignorance of proper nutrition :-o
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There seems to be little doubt it is primarily an industrial disease. Unfortunately studies of the Great Depression show that environmental factors can create hereditary malfunctions in family lines.
 
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