Can Tell if Seed is Male or Female?
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thenotsoesoteric
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Dumbest thread ever and that guy in the video is tarded as hell.The sex of a plant isn't determined just inside the damn seed. Environment helps determines the sex of a plant, except when man intervenes with CS or other chemicals. That is why if you follow certain tips you get a higher ratio of females or males depending on which you're after.
More females, then for the first two weeks you want 14/10 lighting, high nitrogen in the grow medium and cooler temps and blue spectrum lights.
Mores males, then the opposite, 24 hours of light, higher P and K, warm temps, and red spectrum lighting.
Been doing it for ten+ years and almost always have more females than males, anytime I didn't do that, ratio was basically 50/50.
Besides I find it hard to believe that feminized seeds look any different from regular seeds.
Edit: I meant to say the sex isn't "just", environmental factor play a large part too. Obviously genetics plays a role.
More females, then for the first two weeks you want 14/10 lighting, high nitrogen in the grow medium and cooler temps and blue spectrum lights.
Mores males, then the opposite, 24 hours of light, higher P and K, warm temps, and red spectrum lighting.
Been doing it for ten+ years and almost always have more females than males, anytime I didn't do that, ratio was basically 50/50.
Besides I find it hard to believe that feminized seeds look any different from regular seeds.
Edit: I meant to say the sex isn't "just", environmental factor play a large part too. Obviously genetics plays a role.
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Heygurlll
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How bout you read some other threads man.
It is determined in the seeds genotype.
But as everyone prefers female friendly conditions, males have strong tendency to show a female phenotype. Those are often your late in flower hermies that happen with the smallest stress. They were already hermied, then the slightest stress caused them to revert the phenotype to represent the hard-written genotype.
You prove yourself to understand this slightly by saying you can change the expressed gender.
Do you honestly believe its dna grows/finishes writing the gender chromosome after 4 weeks of growing..... Its done by the time the seed is mature and viable.
thenotsoesoteric
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You believe what you want to believe there buddy. But I think these guys have your expertise beat!
"However, if genetic circumstances alone influenced the likelihood of having a pure female plant that only has female flowers, the chances of this happening would be minimal, and since cases of hermaphroditism are at the very least quite rare, it would appear that the genetic make-up of the seed cannot be the sole factor involved in determining the sex of marijuana plants. It is for this reason that some cannabis growers place more importance on growing conditions, since it has been seen that under poor conditions there is a predominance of male plants. This theory could well be correct, especially if looked at it from the point of view of nature itself: a plant, just like any other life form, has a single purpose – procreation. The observation that under adverse conditions there is a certain tendency for a higher number of males to be produced may, in my opinion, be due to the fact that under adverse conditions it is unlikely that the offspring (descendants) will be able to reproduce successfully. Since a female can produce a certain number of female flowers, which will give rise to an equal or lower number of seeds, the higher the number of females, the more descendants there will be. However, under extreme conditions, wise Mother Nature steps in and increases the number of male specimens, since although there is more pollen if there are, for example, 100,000 female flowers, there will never be more than 100,000 seeds, and thus the population will regulate the gender of the plants’ descendants, avoiding overpopulation under less than optimal conditions." Sensi seeds.
Here's a link: http://sensiseeds.com/en/blog/gender-what-determines-it/
"However, if genetic circumstances alone influenced the likelihood of having a pure female plant that only has female flowers, the chances of this happening would be minimal, and since cases of hermaphroditism are at the very least quite rare, it would appear that the genetic make-up of the seed cannot be the sole factor involved in determining the sex of marijuana plants. It is for this reason that some cannabis growers place more importance on growing conditions, since it has been seen that under poor conditions there is a predominance of male plants. This theory could well be correct, especially if looked at it from the point of view of nature itself: a plant, just like any other life form, has a single purpose – procreation. The observation that under adverse conditions there is a certain tendency for a higher number of males to be produced may, in my opinion, be due to the fact that under adverse conditions it is unlikely that the offspring (descendants) will be able to reproduce successfully. Since a female can produce a certain number of female flowers, which will give rise to an equal or lower number of seeds, the higher the number of females, the more descendants there will be. However, under extreme conditions, wise Mother Nature steps in and increases the number of male specimens, since although there is more pollen if there are, for example, 100,000 female flowers, there will never be more than 100,000 seeds, and thus the population will regulate the gender of the plants’ descendants, avoiding overpopulation under less than optimal conditions." Sensi seeds.
Here's a link: http://sensiseeds.com/en/blog/gender-what-determines-it/
Heygurlll
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thats exactly what i/we've been saying. Thickheaded much.......
Its in the seed, but the environment can hermie them either way, BEFORE preflower. Environment is a large influence. Female phenotypes are nice, but having a surefire way to find a female genotype from seed would be very nice.
I guess this wasn't a reading problem, its fucking comprehension.....
Its in the seed, but the environment can hermie them either way, BEFORE preflower. Environment is a large influence. Female phenotypes are nice, but having a surefire way to find a female genotype from seed would be very nice.
I guess this wasn't a reading problem, its fucking comprehension.....
Guitar Man
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FUCK YES!!!!!!!!!!
Stupid statement? Fuck you!!
I do have an idea, a proven and scientific one! If you found Males in your bagseed, then a Male plant was either in the garden, or came from a nearby Male growing in another garden/place/canyon, or whatever the fuck you want to call it, period.
So, now tell me what is unproven in my previous post. Everything stated is true.
Personally, I wouldn't buy weed from someone who doesn't know what the fuck they are doing, or, weed that would be considered, wild. The only MJ I buy (when I rarely buy), is from growers who have large grows that don't allow any Males in their crop. So the only seeds I might possibly get, would be from a Hermaphrodite, which would all be Female.
Sexing a plant with a Male means one thing; you will have Male and Female seeds, so you will have to separate them after you determine the sex. If you are after Feminized seeds, then no Male pollen will be, or has been used.
Even quality seeds can Herm under the right (wrong) conditions.
Guitar Man
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I agree, I don't believe you can determine the sex of a seed by looking at it. I had never heard of this before and that's why I posted the video.
The big difference in pollen though, would be Male pollen or Female pollen. If the pollen comes from a Female/Hermaphrodite, you will have ALL Female seeds.
Heygurlll
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No need to try to explain the basics of breeding.
Never make an overgeneralized statement like
So much wrong.
You are overgeneralizing your own experience. You aint the only fish in the pond, buddy. Millions of plants annually, and a single person accounting for even 1% of all plants is ridiculous.
Then the rest of the post made me laugh as it mostly sounded like bragging/i'm so special with my one of a kind mentality that every 20 year old has.
Again, if the geno had NOTHING to do with it, WHY would the parents matter. You people keep half-assed agreeing. There would be no feminized seeds if geno had nothing to do with it. Read the posts again. And if you still dont understand, leave the convo.
Fucking logic is lacking people...
Enough conversing with idiocy, you can never convince a stupid person they're wrong, even when the evidence they are spouting is agreeing with the other person.
Shit.
BTW, Never brag about 10+ years of experience. Quickest way for people to realize how much of a know-it-all douche you are.
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Guitar Man
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Ok, I agree, I over generalized that statement, but I think you know what I mean. Do you know growers who ALLOW Males in their grow, other than Breeders? Of course not! So anyone who acquires MJ from the basic Market (Dispensary, Commercial Grower, Personal Friend), and they find seeds, if the individuals involved in the grow know what they're doing, you shouldn't find ANY Male seeds in the bag.
I've done this HG, and not 1 Male grew out of bag seed I was given. And this is over the course of several years, using the same seeds, again and again. Now, because those seeds did come from a Hermaphrodite, I did get nanners/balls that seeded the Lady(s). I've then taken those seeds, and every single plant has been a Female.
Here's a nice little Herm...oh, and she gave me some more SEEDS!!! NICE!!!
BTW, never said anything about 10+years of experience. Not sure where you pulled that rabbit out of the hat. And I'm not a 20 year old stupid fuck, so stop your idiotic rant.
Note: I do pull off nanners/balls if I see them, with tweezers cleaned with alcohol. Then I spray any pollen (if some was released) with water, which neutralizes it. So I get very few seeds, sometimes none at all.
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Heygurlll
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In short, yes I know plenty of people. AND POLLEN TRAVELS FOR 100s OF MILES.
A large plant is a filter just looking for male pollen.
This year, my friend accidentally cut the males 1-2 weeks after they showed as he was busy. His neighbor sucks at gowing after 5+ years and apparently will let males go more than a month. Whatever the reason he got 700+ seeds
I have in my closet, over 130 seeds and counting, regular, mature, and too fucking' common.
Having that many seeds in a harvest usually means late cut males, male nearby, high stress hermie, etc.
But when its 1-5 seeds per 5lb plant in a windy ass place, chances are even higher the father is from an outdoor non feminized crop. At least in CA. If it was from a hermie from that garden, there would be many more seeds. Its just by chance that pollen was floating by and got filteed out of the air by the plant.
People look at pictures of 12 ft tall bush plants, and the 10lb wonders. I go out to my families house and get to touch these monster plants. Holes in the ground with a 7+ ft diameter. Trunks 10-12" in diameter.
I also have known guerrilla growers. They do not care about having the best quality sensi, just profit and anonymity.
Sorry I tried saying you have no idea without explaining.
Ive been to 15-20 gardens, and tbh, I haven't seen someone who bought fem seeds from a seed bank in person. I know of one person but have not met them yet. This is likely because most people up here are growing outdoors with 10 or so 7 ft plants, and paying more for femmed cuts the profit big time. Seed Banks are kind of bs. Seeds should NOT be expensive. It just takes a grain of pollen and a pistil. 10000-30000 seeds should be sold for what when it only took $100 seed to seeds.
You are the exception, not the rule man.
Anyways, I prefer to not have to stress about hermies. I throw out homegrown hermie seeds because they seem to have at least 50% chance of hermie, and every non stabilized generation throws more nanners and is more likely to do so. Breeders stabilize seeds by breeding multiple generations with the same CS'ed "male." Thats how they get less than 15% chance of hermie in a clearly hermie prone seed. Using non stabilized fems is stuff to be saved for amatuer hour.
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Guitar Man
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Here is another plant that was grown from a seed that I obtained from my previous grow, on a plant that Hermed on me, the original seed coming from bag weed. KICK ASS SMOKE, and excellent yield!
And, this plant did not throw out 1 nanner or ball!
And, this plant did not throw out 1 nanner or ball!
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shishkaboy
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Thats what I would call a selfie.
Guitar Man
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dbdweller
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I say if you count one 100 % of what you read as true and get mad because it did not work... you are going to have a problem. You take what you need and try it. That's what this is is it not. You offer something that has worked for you and pass it on for someone else to try or take what has been said and try it.
I will never post my crops.. to fucking paranoid with big brother. Since i have been growing way before any state became legal 1982 it is just in me. trust no one. So posting something that big brother looks at just does not add up.
We feminize seeds now and yes when one of our girls puts out a seed that we did not make its time to burn one
So if something sounds right try it and post if it worked or not. If you have never done something before.... then no matter how you look at it your trying something new lol
Then again i have been smoking 38% thc for to long lol
Peace out
I will never post my crops.. to fucking paranoid with big brother. Since i have been growing way before any state became legal 1982 it is just in me. trust no one. So posting something that big brother looks at just does not add up.
We feminize seeds now and yes when one of our girls puts out a seed that we did not make its time to burn one
So if something sounds right try it and post if it worked or not. If you have never done something before.... then no matter how you look at it your trying something new lol
Then again i have been smoking 38% thc for to long lol
Peace out
thenotsoesoteric
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And why the hell would I care what people like you think? How is having ten years of repeated behavior bragging? But I'm the douche. Say hello to your mother for me.
And yes, I incorrectly posted my thoughts the first time around, but that happens. Genetics plays a role in gender but it is not the finalized till environmental factor are assessed by the seedling and by looking at seeds you will find nothing out.
Heygurlll
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Which is what all these posts in this "dumbest thread ever" had arrived at. Again, it would be nice if it were as easy as examining the seed to find a female genotype.
Yeah it does happen, but way to go, man.
For anyone who doesnt know the basic terms...
http://www.brooklyn.cuny.edu/bc/ahp/BioInfo/GP/Definition.html
Basically, phenotype is what you see visually, and includes the expressed gender.
Genotype is whats hardcoded. A hermi will still have either male or female genotype.
Guitar Man
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So, what picture is that in your Avatar? I'm too old to be afraid of Big Brother. I also live in a State where Cannabis is legal, both medically and for recreational purposes. I was given my Medical Card years ago because of my health conditions, so Big Brother already knows about me.I say if you count one 100 % of what you read as true and get mad because it did not work... you are going to have a problem. You take what you need and try it. That's what this is is it not. You offer something that has worked for you and pass it on for someone else to try or take what has been said and try it.
I will never post my crops.. to fucking paranoid with big brother. Since i have been growing way before any state became legal 1982 it is just in me. trust no one. So posting something that big brother looks at just does not add up.
We feminize seeds now and yes when one of our girls puts out a seed that we did not make its time to burn one
So if something sounds right try it and post if it worked or not. If you have never done something before.... then no matter how you look at it your trying something new lol
Then again i have been smoking 38% thc for to long lol
Peace out
The people you need to worry about are your neighbors. I have to keep my plants smaller, otherwise they grow higher than the fence and become a target for some kid who is looking for a quick heist. But I also have security protecting my premises, so anyone coming into my yard is in for a surprise.
And if someone tries to break into my house, they won't like what they find. I know just about every cop in this town, and they will be here in a New York minute if a foot or body enters my home.
I'm not on the Radar because I'm legal. I don't sell my MJ, I give it away to friends or family who are in need of Medicine. My neighbor was just diagnosed with cancer and I'm ready to help if they need some good, quality, medicine, for free.
Maybe that's why my growing and ideas about Cannabis are different; I'm not in it for the money. I grow sheer quality, with nothing but excellent smoke and potency, and I love sharing my hard work with those who are in need. I have children who are adults, and a couple of them use MJ for medicinal purposes. I told them, "You will never have to buy any MJ as long as I'm alive."
I grow because it's fun and good for the mind and body because of tending to an indoor grow during the winter months, where the light relieves depression, and the music I play while gardening also is a great way to start the day. I also grow because I like knowing exactly where my medicine comes from, with no artificial sprays, poor growing conditions, or some other problem that caused a grower to save their crop with something that would make the smoke or edible unhealthy.
I'm also very particular about curing. It takes me about 6 months to complete a total cure. You can smoke my product with great affect 2 weeks after chop chop, but my buds stay moist and beautiful for over a year, which is when the new supply is harvested. My son, who will get MJ from the Dispensaries, told me that my weed is unbelievable compared to the shit they sell there.
I was going through my small seed bank recently, counting how many I had. Right now, I have enough seeds to last me the rest of my life. This is why I like Hermaphrodites, where I can control my seed count. If I get low, I'll leave a few nanners/balls on my Lady, and she'll gladly oblige!