Calling all seed breeders! I got an idea...

Nice. Thanx alot Jester. Im learning alot from you, brother. Here's the pics of my current grow. Im about 3 weeks into flower...

Here's a couple of pics of my double-colas on my ladies...





Mr. Ladybug, hard at work...



Top of a branch...



The branches on one of them is gonna' be packed with little buds. Here's a pic...



Lookin' at the last pic, i cant help but think that one would have made a damn fine mama plant.
Anyways, there they are.

the best way to tell if it woulda made a good mum is the final product. it doesnt mean shit if it grew wonderfully if ultimatly the genetics produced a shitty end product. (in mont cases that is anyways)

this is why when breeding we take cuttings and flower either the cuttings or the mother for use later after weve made our final decision on the plants end result.

we then cross with what we want to cross it with and see if its going to carry along what we want it too.

how tall are your babies??

if there about a foot i usually get a few hundred seeds from a plant that size. i bet after making this order you change your idea of what makes a good mum . not being a prick but if this is your first grow you will see many a better plant as time goes by.

if ur looking for a early strain theres top 44 finshes in 44 days, or a auto

hybred..thats what im working on ATM, trying to cut down on the flowering time and

how tall they get....just not sure if i want a full auto strain or a reg yet, mite do

both...sweet thread by the way bro, peace meangreen.

stay away from anything with ruderalis genetics is my oppinion.

just get a nice indica bro. they will stay short and flower fast anyway. you can work on shortening the flowering time of your strain as time goes on..

oh to subtlechaos
you should look for captain seven turtles article on recurrent selection. it may appeal to you

i always hear ppl say "stay away from ruderalis genetics" but they never say

why?...so jester is there a sum thing bad about them??..ive been breeding with them

lately, about to start sum f2s soon and have yet to see any ill genetics in them..

have u had a bad out come useing them?? if so i whould like to know so i dont run in

to anything..

MEANGREEN69 said:

i always hear ppl say "stay away from ruderalis genetics" but they never say

why?...so jester is there a sum thing bad about them??..ive been breeding with them

lately, about to start sum f2s soon and have yet to see any ill genetics in them..

have u had a bad out come useing them?? if so i whould like to know so i dont run in

to anything..

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in short
the reason we say stay away from the ruderalis genetics is because it is what it is shitty ditch weed. often the remainders of the old hemp fields and from farmers using cannabis to stop the river banks eroding so fast. it generally has a low thc percentage though not always every now and then boasts a decent potency. these are generally the ruderalis plants that are used in breeding.

the sad fact is that these genetics arent considered stable. cannabis ruderalis is a sub species of cannabis that has early and autoflowering capabilities. these traits can be passed on to the offspring. you may realise this come your f2 seeds perhaps. but maybe you got lucky ya never know.

anyways the ruderalis is a plant thqats notorious for its high leaf ratio, low thc percentage, small height and unstable traits. this is the reason a lot of breeders dont want the traits to further penetrate the cannabis genepool.

over time we could make potent, reliable early flowering plants. theres no need to use the genetics of a sub pecies thats already evolved itself useless and unstable. though this would take a lot of time and continuous selection of the earliest flowering plants etc. this took a long time to occur naturally though.

most people dont want plants that flowerr by maturity. they count on there plants flowering by photoperiod. if allowed to penetrate the genepools of the other two sub species with its undesirable characteristics this could cause numerous problems down the track in subsequent generations of the strain aand the crosses.

thanks for the info jester..yeah none of the f1s auto flowered, the f2s should have a 25% auto trait..i use a bagseed female i was working with in the cross and most of the traits in the auto male were dom/hetero miness the auto flowering trait and a few others...but whouldnt i be able to out cross the auto & ne-other trait if i wanted???....sorry for the hi-jack sub

meh.. threads are made to be hijacked if there interesting they spark interest lol.

umm what were you working with?? your last post confused me a little lol. but yes some of those recessive genes should start showing up withing the next generation or one after it more than likely

no i havent really worked with anything autoflowering sorry/glad to say. they just arent what im after and it would go against all that i just said. i use nothing thats out of the norm lol.

an easier way to do this would be the just fucking around method. this way your watching lots and growing lots (or as many as you can). eventually you should be able to get the autoflowering up to your standards. perhaps impliment some backcrossing to speed shit up.

you could kill whatever doesnt autoflower or get medacine off them and keep an idea on the path some of your genetics are taking. (see if there similar potency to the autoflowered things like that - would make good notes and could be some fun research). like i said keep an eye on those genetics and make sure any of the shitty genetics that arrise are never used. make sure the strain stays potent as well, although that goes without saying

sorry i know this doesnt answer anything lmfao. though you are basically doing the same as any other breeder except where we get rid or dont use the erly flowerers you favour them. though you want your strains to mature via maturity not photoperiod am i right??

No worries about the hijacking thing... Im like a sponge, right now.

Subtlechaos said:

No worries about the hijacking thing... Im like a sponge, right now.

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well sponge lol . you should look up captain 7 turtles article. just google it you should find it.

its a good read

Couldn't find anything on Captain Seven Turtles. Got a link?

Im glad you posted the comment about the runderalis being notoriously weak. I was looking at a these for a small Gorilla garden Im planning for a creekbed, this summer.(I also plan to put some AK47xNL seed there)
http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/pick-mix-seeds/pick-mix-seeds-/-easy-ryder-feminized-auto-flowering-dwarf/prod_624.html

I'll go ahead and find something else... ... ... I prefer good smoke, to not as good smoke... every time.

well i crossed a bagseed female that i really like and just grew well with a (auto AK47

X HINDUKUSH) male...im really just trying to make a hardy strain that will do well

indoors and out side gorilla grows, at this point i can back cross to get the auto trait

faster or make a reg IBL with some ruderalis genetics, i do keep alot of records of

all the strains i got going ATM, i give them "STRESS TESTS",(over

water,drout,bugs,mildew,messed up light cycles,low light) to see how they do...also

yes i want it to fully auto flower but i mite make a reg strain aswel useing the same

ruderalis genetics, because i like some of its traits such as the small root system

that seem to make them very drout resistant. and how well they do in low light,

mold does seem to be a prob with them so far but im working on it...

Let us know how good the smoke ends up being.

Subtlechaos said:

Let us know how good the smoke ends up being.

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well the bud from the F1 mother has a sweet fruity smell (that came from

the auto plant), rock hard buds that dry real fast conpeared to my other

strains, i smoked some when it was real fresh and the high wasnt there

but after a 2 week cure man it got alot more potent. it has a conplex

high thats up lifting and heady but theres something different about it. i

think it has to do with the auto's cannabinoids. i want to get one of

those home cannabinoid testers so i can manipulate the

THC,THCV,CBD,CBN and others with breeding to give me the high that i

want...but all said im happy so far, just need to work on the yeild and

the amount of tricones on the bud but i got a other mama for that.

thanks for asking....but anuff of me... so what u got planed for your

strain sub?? i think that that AK47 X NL whould be a bad ass cross and there both

very stable already...which are u going to use as the mother/father?? and also

please tell me ur going to do a seed run with both of those strains as you do your

1st cross because those whould be some great beans to have around...

I'm not sure what you mean by seed run, but if your asking if I plan to keep all the seed, and continue to breed for a good strain, than Yes. I dont think it matters much, which end of the spectrum the genetics are tipped to, every seed I get will have a trait good for breeding... It'll all be good seed.

I plan to keep the NL as the father, so as it will be easier to make a NL dominant strain. My main criteria for this strain was to get a potent, resiliant, EARLY FLOWERING strain. I want my seed to be more NL than AK47, as my area I live in sometimes gets frost by early-mid October. I'll be breeding the NL back into it, and I'm thinking by the time I get my 3rd generation seed, I'll have what Im lookin' for.

Hopefully I'm right, because the Mrs. has told me that my days of indoor growing are numbered... At least till' we move.

I found out today that Seedsman doesnt ship to The States. I did some looking around, and The Attitude carries Seedsman seeds. Well, they carry the Northern Lights strain. It's the important one anyways. It's advertised in their "Gold" collection. Im sure there are a number of good AK47 strains on The Attitude.

I know a guy on here doing a hempy winter grow, who might know where to find a good AK47 strain.

sounds good..by "SEED RUN" i ment make some reg ak47's seeds and some NL seeds

so u can have more of them if u ever want to go back to look for or find a trait that

mite get lost...if u want your strain to be more NL why not use a female NL and a

male AK47, then grow out the F1's, find a NL dom male and backcross to the NL

MOTHER?...u can also keep a AK47 mother too so if u want more of the Ak47 traits

later on. i only say to use the NL female because then u know what ur getting as

far as bud goes....also make sure u take note of what plants mature (PRE FLOWER)

1st if your after a fast flowering strain, because that AK47 is Mostly sativa..you can

also grow out the f1s find a male/female cross them, grow out the f2's find a male

then backcross to your mother, and do it again tell your happy. thats a bit more

time comsuming but i think you'll have more traits to chose from and the strain

whould be more stable..just my opinion...meangreen.

Thanks alot for all the input, meangreen. Between You and Jester, I've had all my questions answered and more!

As far as the whole Seed Run thing goes,... I will do that. If Im making seed, there really is no reason not to give my self extra seed from these two STRONG strains.

Once I get me a stabilized NL strain, I can start buying some different strains to try and cross with it. I might f**k around, and make somethin' REALLY nice! Haha. Right now I'll settle for some good, THUMP smoke, that'll reach full bud by early October.

Thanx again, guys.

wow seems i missed quite a bit. sorry ma missus's bday yesterday.

also to meangreen its really hard to mimmic a breeders strain perfectly in most cases. unless where talking landrace strains. though some strains are easily to mimmic but it can piss some breeders off. afterall if you start selling them it will take there busines when in reality they are the ones with the true genetics behind the strain. yours is nothing more than a rip off or something youve bred for different traits (take northern lights for axample theres a few variations).

kinda like the jetlag im working on. two unique ak47 plants and working from there the f1 cross is now my parent stock and the real fun is about to begin.
also dont work on the assumption every seed you make will be good because even breeders leave a margin for error as there realistic.

i do however think youll end up with something quite nice. sorry i didnt see the seedsman dont send to america. your best bet would be to see if attitude would or find another bank.

Attitude has responded to my e-mail, and I hope to order later this week.

shimmy. hopefully youll be one happy chappy soon lol