Cali's having good weather but im still getting mold! (botrytis) wtf!!!!

Rottedroots said:

It's starting to suck here in MA. Damp and chilly for days. I was hoping mold would prefer warmer temps but that does not seem to be the case. With a couple of weeks to go it looks like there is no option but to ride it out. Not knowing any better I am just approaching the problem with scissors, alcohol and rubber gloves. Taking comfort in knowing I have smoked enough spores to infect a lot of bud.

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There are options -- there are several fungicides and other non-fungicidal remedies (bacillus subtilis aka Serenade, for example) to control and prevent botrytis. For whatever reason they aren't talked about a lot in the cannabis growing world, but you can Google for botrytis + strawberries and get a ton of agricultural information back includes dozens of comparative studies of the various effects on yield with different fungicide / biological treatment regiments. The difference in yields between treated and non-treated (control) groups in these studies is staggering, there is no question that botrytis can be controlled and even nearly prevented.

So my question is, why is this information so sparse in the cannabis growing world?

Well wbd I am certain the are very functional and realistic remedies and Serenade may well be one of them there just ain't time enough to fix it the stuff moves to fast . It seems all the worry we give it is when we got it and that too late. So much for preemptive.

At the end of your post you ask the question "why is this information so sparse?" Personally I think that the big commercial growers really don't care if their product is even remotely organic. If you growing tonnage you are not for the most part be able to grow strictly organic and why bother. No one is ever going to know what you used on your plants. I willing to bet but unable to back up that there is not much commercial quantity weed that is organic. Kick me in the balls wbd but I bet if you found a big commercail growers forum you would find that they used any means of pest, mold, fugus or whatever regardless of it's toxicity. I would also guess that 95% of the weed grown is not destined for the medical market and is just being sold as weed for getting stoned.(some still do)

The only reason I think my options are limited is that I have only two weeks +- to go. Yuk Yuk.. But I would have to use a power washer to get any spray even close to where the rot resides initially. They just don't have the open leaf nature of strawberries. This kind of problem requires a systemic or you never gonna get to to root of the problem.

dc4. I visited the girls today and you aint chittin about densitey being a factor now. It's been three days since I visited the girls and they all have it but to differing degrees. OG#18 is the worst followed by cheese and Budda Tahoe with Super Silver and Delahaze the least affected. The last two have the feathery buddage of sumpim that's mostly sativa (don't know for sure).

In closing I cannot fucking believe how FUCKING fast this shit moves. In just three days I've gone from slight but bothersome concern to downright panic. The other thing that's poking my ass is that I am going on vacation from the 9th thru the 17th. If I shit myself and chop what I can now it's gonna have to hang at least ten days before I can jar and if I leave it all standing based on what I seem over the past few days there will not be anything left. WTF am I going to do!! HELP ME. I've never had mold problem before and it is one of those things that will knock the buzz right out of you on what was going to be a righteous crop.

First time I have ever seen anythin like this attack my plants and stunned I don't see more discussion and research about such a killer. Give me a leaf chewing pest any day!!

Tell me legaltoker... How goes the battle? Are you winning in any way or just losing gracefully? I thinking about the percentage of bud I'm gonna lose or the suck proposition to pick two weeks early.. WTF is right. Just never seen nothing like it in 35 years of gardening.

Damn dude.. Your post just made me drop what I was doin and go spray serenade on both gardens. I'm about 5 days away from chopping and saw some mold today. Mines from cats pillars that are now gone. Didn't want to spray so soon to harvest but I feel better that I did. Hoping ur harv turns out good brotha man

Everybody is talking about Budworms, or high temps, and honestly the worms really arent that common. It's plain old gray mold (rot) that kills most plants. The mold likes temperatures in the 40s F., and it likes high humidity. I think in 9 of ten instances I've witnessed, or read about, it's just plain old, mold. If you see a worm it is probably because the mold makes the plant much more inviting for insects to lay their eggs inside. Normally pot plants are so resinated by the time you see mold that bugs cant really fuck with them too bad. Mold though lets them in.

I've been doing guerillas now for 5 straight years in the Great Lakes region, and mold is a huge issue here.

Agreed Dank... No worms in my rot. My rot is just good old fashioned mold and man is it moving fast. We have not seen the sun in days.

No frass and nothing appears to have been eaten. Frass is where it's at. Damm I feel like crying at the bud we are all losing. Say it ain't so!!!

Rottedroots said:

Agreed Dank... No worms in my rot. My rot is just good old fashioned mold and man is it moving fast. We have not seen the sun in days.

No frass and nothing appears to have been eaten. Frass is where it's at. Damm I feel like crying at the bud we are all losing. Say it ain't so!!!

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I'm use to it now. I shake them every morning , and sometimes pull some buds apart, but really a little mold just goes with the growing of semi-tropicals in a temperate climate. Don't beat yourself up over it too much, and don't be afraid to chop some of it off. Air flow helps.

Well jack if I had known that Serenade was something I could have used this late into the season and into the problem I would have had some overnighted. I wonder if I can find locally and if it would buy me two weeks. No grow stores around here. I would sell my breasts if that was the case. I really don't know what the product is but the buds are so dense I would think you would need a systemic and get the problem from the inside out. jack do you know for a fact you can use the stuff this late?

Ha Ha Dank!! Get used to it? What are you screwing with me. It's like getting kicked in the balls every time I find a blemish. They actually look pretty good right now but I was just out cutting out some bad bud and every snip of the scissors throws out a little dust bomb of spores. Looked but found no signs of insects or caterpillars.

I thought mold would have liked warmer weather than it has been but you called it right on the money. It's been in the forties or low fifties as often as not for the last few weeks. They were/are sitting in the middle of a dense fog advisory right now so WTF!
What worries me dank is that I'm heading out of town. Do I leave them for two week unattended or cut/hack them up. Hate to go early god damm sons of bitches! If I could kick myself in the balls I would. They were just looking so good. It just ain't right!

DankShasta said:

Everybody is talking about Budworms, or high temps, and honestly the worms really arent that common. It's plain old gray mold (rot) that kills most plants. The mold likes temperatures in the 40s F., and it likes high humidity. I think in 9 of ten instances I've witnessed, or read about, it's just plain old, mold. If you see a worm it is probably because the mold makes the plant much more inviting for insects to lay their eggs inside. Normally pot plants are so resinated by the time you see mold that bugs cant really fuck with them too bad. Mold though lets them in.

I've been doing guerillas now for 5 straight years in the Great Lakes region, and mold is a huge issue here.

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Budworms are a regional probem... major problem for Cali and Pacific Northwest growers. The worms cause damage to the plant that encourages botrytis. I've never seen a bud worm, but I have a huge mold problem. For me, the mold favors plant damage just the same, but the damage is usually a brown calyx or dead leaf.

We are posting in a thread about Cali, we can't assume everything is the same out there as it is where we're at.

Rottedroots said:

Agreed Dank... No worms in my rot. My rot is just good old fashioned mold and man is it moving fast. We have not seen the sun in days.

No frass and nothing appears to have been eaten. Frass is where it's at. Damm I feel like crying at the bud we are all losing. Say it ain't so!!!

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He's in Michigan, you're in Boston. Bud worms are a Cali / Pacific NW problem. Mold is a problem for everyone under the right conditions...

Yeah serenade can be used the day you harvest. I never would though that late. I got a week left. Beneficial bacteria. Normally I would not like to use anything that late. If mold were to wipe out this stellar crop I have right now I could not forgive myself. Sprayed for peace of mind. The serenade def in a grow store. Stuffs great if you find small amounts of pm on fan leafs like week 6 inside

And the only mold I have is in isolated spots from worms. You can tell it looks different. I'm in NorCal. This fuckers like the good weather alright. Can't wait to pull these gals

Well hot damn if it doesn't look like we all have problems. I just wasnt ready for mold. I have been using neem oil for minor insect control and PM so its only fair mold got me. Coast to coast heart ache.
Well lord knows I'm going to look into serenade for next season. Maybe having my plants 200 yards from the ocean is contributing to the problem. It's cool and it never dries.
What I find " interesting" is that you can't find a problem more likely be terminal then if someone pulled them out roots and all.

Well its nice to see that im not the only one trying to stay off the botrytis train. Hope all is going well for everyone. I have actually been able to stay somewhat ahead by just cutting off pieces that have mold or any sign of it. NO bs, just cut it off and discard it. i have 16 six foot ladies (well a few are 9 or 10ft) and i have only had to toss a half Oz(or less probably). When i see mold on a nug the whole cola comes down and gets manicured, inspected for any more mold and slightly trimmed to help with airflow during the cure/dry process. Im also in the 8th week of flower so im not pulling too early. I would like them all to go longer, 9 or 10wks but im pulling them if they even start to mold up.