cali connection blackwater...boo!

I probably shouldn't talk so much, but then there's the stuff you have to throw out or just doesn't work out at all.

I know some breeders don't take as much time or experiment as much as others in some cases. But at any level there is going to be things that you have to chuck, and take the loss.

And sometimes the bigger loss your willing to take, the more lucrative and interesting specimen you might come up with.

My last crop was mostly a dud, the majority of it was composed of half ditchers that had been pollinated by male ditch weed making it 3/4 ditch weed... What I expected was big buds, but the quality to not be that great. Well the quality wasn't that great, and the yield was impossibly small. The plants set up just like my New Hawaiians and a lot of other ditch crosses I had seen, that yielded incredibly well. But it was all stalk and no bud, you might not even be able to make seeds on this stuff, I don't know for sure.

And this crop coming up has large numbers of another female with a portion of ditch in it crossed to a male ditch weed. This one smells much better though. But the reason I'm doing this, is curiousity if nothing else. For it's causing me huge financial loss. But if I didn't have this method of breeding. A lot of very incredible things would have been lost, like my Wonderjacks clone.

A lot of effort and cost. And that's another thing, these people that keep coming up looking down on you because you don't hand them over your elite clone, that you have put so much into finding etc. Well, why don't they do it? I mean do the work, take the financial losses, and smile because they've helped the community.

Well, that's unrealistic, and I've found even when you try to be nice, and just give your product away. It comes back to bite you.

When I first came on the internet with good friend Bill Wonder. We introduced the bubbler system, you might be using it right now. It was a very simple and ingenuis device. Just a vessle (bucket, tub or what have you) with an airator from a fish tank, to break the water.

The first people to try the bubbler were at Cannabis Culture. At first they started killing their plants doing stupid things, like pulling plants out of their soil pots and trying to throw them into a bubbler. Only to watch the plant die, and insist we were charlatans there only to decieve and ingratiate ourselves.

But then people started getting it right, and the bubbler was hailed as one of the major hydro advance of the time period.

You know what though, after it took off. People started making comments like Mr. Wonder seems to think he invented hydro. And then after a while other people started appearing, and more or less trying to say they came up with the idea. Remember "Highgrade" and his bubbling bucket?

Where do you think he got that from? Highgrade use to be a good internet friend. But I sort of saw him turn on us, about the same time Marc Emery did.

Pretty lame what happened, Marc oweing me money, and then setting his mods on me to do all sorts of terrible things to me, and my account there. I tell I had never seen anything like it before, and I had rarely seen anything so non professional in my life.

Well that was all 10 or 12 years ago. And recently, last year, I went back over there, as an old friend, had a question about wonderbud that I saw pop up on search. Guess I wanted to prove to myself what was really over there.

Well, you know what? It seemed like a totally different deal, the mods were welcoming me with open arms. Other people still there some were actually bubbling under fluroscent lighting, something I hadn't even tried myself. The mods were putting up my breeding videos. And I thought hmmmm, maybe I was wrong...

But, nope! I wasn't, as a similar scenereo was about to play out. I began getting wierd PMs, and trolls coming into my threads asking very bizzare questions. After a bit of this, and me asking these folks, if I could help them or what the problem was. I contacted a moderator about the situation, and instead of helping me, I get banned instead.

Here's the last screen shot I saw when I went to log into Cannabis Culture.

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smellzlikeskunkyum

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Got blackwater goin now, I will keep close eye on em.......question on light leaks, I have none ....but wouldn't a leak have to be more than a full moon to affect the plant? And a full moon puts off a lot of light.
DAMN good point. a more overall stress is a "cause" of hermies. and obviously genetics. however i do think that the moon might not be the same colors, thats just a whole nother subject tho.

I just was telling someone yesterday about how ive seen more than one blackwater fail on here and other places. much better ways to spend that kind of money on genetics.

it sucks how hype sells, and money + greed fucks the world up. especially the "little people"
 

rory420420

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Well vincent,I've only run fem seeds twice in 5 years,cuz I had no need for more,my sharksbreath was fine,and all my freebie fems were fine..id say "amature hour" comes when a breeder let's his clients think (and defends these thoughts when proven wrong) says his product is feminized..if the is one iota of a possibility there might be a problem,then product should not hit the market.clones or seeds..and def should be accepted for the quality or rep it deserves..and if a consumer is unsatisfied,well,this is AMERICA,and we stand behind products..hell,you can send back potato chips if u feel its not a good batch to the manufacturer..and you never have 300 obese people citing why you should be so hard on Lays or Ruffles...B-)
 
i have some black wate fem babies 9 weeks today and one seed out of the pack has 3 nodes coming out instead of two ,shits trippy .. i checked up online for some specific info on them but wasnt able to find shit.... whats the word on them... any takers.....? much appreciated.... not sure about waisting time with it if is wack.
 

rory420420

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Js,I had a pure afghan from dna do the same thing! Maybe its a recessive kush trait?my afghan looks like an upsidedown octopus... Btw,new hairs on the reveged purple pheno so I'm sure shell live..hope the clone does too..it'll give me a boost on clones in the coming months! Had a presample party with a friend,think the seed problem will be bad,but everything taste great,he actually said the purple bw was "some very special weed"..I got so stoned from thatg and 5 other strains I ate till I was miserable,and I'm a light eater! I woke up still full! Can't say if it was the blackwater that made me hungry,but it was a good buzz before I started in on other strains...
 
hell ya Rory sweet on the word of new hairs thats rad.i hope we both have some killer purp buds. these things are stretchy as shit next to the bodhi gear but beautiful huge fan leaves. im not sure what it is but they are femmie seeds so not sure i was reading up online i guess 1 out of 200 seeds do that. i didnt notice the crazy fan leafs and nodes on the specific plant untill i cloned it... defenitly looks like an upside down octo haha. So whats up with everyone talking crap about Swerve? I think people just need to learn the basics and stop blamming it on the creator... iv ran a hand full of Swerves shit fem and reg and no nanners or fucked up shit yet....only thing that has shot nanners on me is a cherry pie i got from a club in san jose.. but i caught them asap so that plant was some cherry smoke.. but ya people basics.. ph ppm co2 and air flow.. and accept your misses... try try again is what momma would tell us.. Yo SWERVE when will your CHERRY PIE be avaiable in seed form? i need to go to Harborside Or san jose to pick it up if its aready out.
 

rory420420

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People talk shit about anyone if they feel the need to..I never said anything about swerve,just what happened when I got some of his product..I did honestly describe what happened..if the truth hurt someones feeling I'm sorry,but the truth is the truth,and when others have the same truth and pride gets hurt,people turn nasty usually...I got some good keepers outta the ordeal so whatever..
 

Corso312

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I am liking this bw ...little longer to finish than I prefer but think I am going to make some moms n run a full room of them...no signs of any purple on any of them...
 

rory420420

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Maybe you'll get purple at the finish of flower..mine didn't start turning purple till the 3rd or 4th week...
 
was your pack the fem or regs? htrow some pics up of the ladies..... my fems are slow growers kinda .. the nodes shoot straight up definalty no natural squaters.. hmmm
 

rory420420

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How tall is yours corso? Mine got about 3 1/2 ft..my ceilings are low though..as compared to my cannadential of pure afghans,my blackwater is a monster..all the others at 2 1/2 ft,all in 3gal pots...I'm hoping my next run that I can keep the stretch under control...
 

Corso312

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Well the tallest right now is 4' ....but I tied the top down 2 weeks ago ..so now 36 inches.

The other one is 38 inches
The other one is 34 inches
The last one was bushy...30 inches but multiple. Tops that was topped n tied...I am going to breed a male I cloned that was bushy to my best female...the 38 inch female ...the stretch was huge on two phenos. But. Not bad on the bushy pheno.
 

rory420420

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Mine ended waist high,I'm 6'3"...ill try to throw pics up,ill be going out to my grow wed...can really only show u the purple pheno(have an old pic) and then pics of both phenos dried and trimmed..I'm not much of a photographer..especially with my phone..but ill make an effort..I've never posted pics here so ill break my cherry in the name of chronic!
 

Corso312

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Cool, want to see if they look like. Mine....one thing I can say is these buds are very dense...I gave a light squeeze to the tops n all were rock hard...still all white pistils n zero purp on any...estimate 15-16 days before. Chop.
 

rory420420

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Yea man my purple pheno (don't take it the wrong way) is almost beaster dense(I grow soil/organic) like rock hard,but when you go to break it up its almost playdoh its so grainy...the other pheno(the green one) is kinda like that,but I'm having to deal with seeds,and this one got the most,so the texture is different breaking it up,but still killer smoke!!sticky yummy kushy flavor..and i do get a little pine lemon..coffee notes when smelled..hopefully I can remember to take laptop to work and post pics..better still ill be able to figure out how to post em.:-)
 

rory420420

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ok so the first is the blackwater #2(the green pheno),2nd is the octopus afghan and her cohorts,3rd is the octopus afghan close up to show the nodes,4th is the purple blackwater (sorry for picture quality,i had to resize for some reason and didnt do it perfect)...have more pictures but im a lazy bastard,and currently smoking the pictures so im REALLY lazy right now :)
thanks for looking guys! im proud to show em of,even it they are more full of beans than a bus load of mexican immigrants (not being rasict,just funny)
 

rory420420

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corso,i showed you mine,gonna show me yours? lol....yes they are very dense and rock solid..im hoping i can grow out the blackwaterXpurple haze seeds.. the PH is fucking stinking my house up !!!!! but its not as heavy yeilder as i thought..maybe the blackwater will bring out more purple and keep the funk,not that the blackwater is without stench<my boss smelled it through a jar in my backpack!! and i hope density mixed with the haze will be a bigger plant and harvest..i have so much bagseeds now i could start a new seedbank!
 
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