But what about the roads? Common argument against Libertarian/Anarchy Debunked.

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ChesusRice

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deprave said:
No they don't know that, thus the whole reason I made this thread, you can see examples of this throughout the thread, people think that we need government and taxes for roads and this argument is commonly used, in fact its usually the first argument made against a libertarian or anarchist.
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Somalia

just sayin
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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londonfog said:
Did you jsut say "state parks, hospitals, schools police and fire are the first programs on the liberal chopping block"...I think you have that backwards
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no, you want to think that liberals want to save the world and protect the children, but here in California, ultra leftist aging hippie Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown cut headstart funding so he could keep throwing cash down the rathole of high speed rail.

all public employees get benefiits cut, and mandatory furlough and even some furlough days in the schools. school funding was cut at the baseline (reduced levels of increased funding over last year), and public trransportation, parks and social services were all cut deeply, in this, the most liberal and democrat controlled state in the union.

meanwhile in sacramento.... the new plan calls for $6 MILLION A DAY in spending to create what amounts to an express train between sacramento sanfrancisco and los angeles. it will provide no releif from traffic congestion, no freight transportation, and no service not currently available from any airline or charter air service, or even the regular rail service.

so yes, the liberals in sacramento are sacrificing all their sacred cows to build a fucking toy train for the wealthiest jetsetters who dont want to have to go through airport security anymore.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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ChesusRice said:
The only argument I ever need to go against 'anarchy' is

Somalia

Now there is a pristine example of what small goverment can do for you
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somalia is an example of anarchy. its not an example of "small government"

north korea is the opposite end of the government spectrum, is that therefore an example of what "big government" should be?

opposing somalia-style anarchy does not equate to opposing the US constitution, any more than opposing a tax cut for trillionaires is advocating extreme marxist dictatorships
 
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ChesusRice

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deprave said:
The United States...just saying
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http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1023.html
COUNTRY DESCRIPTION:
Since the collapse of the central government in 1991, Somalia has been subject
to widespread violence and instability. A Transitional Federal Government (TFG)
was established in 2004 to guide the country to a more representative
government. However, the TFG remains fragile and lacks the capacity to provide
services in Somalia. The foreign terrorist group al-Shabaab attacks the TFG and
its allied forces regularly in Mogadishu and in regions outside the capital, and
commits terrorist acts throughout Somalia, including kidnapping for ransom.
Inter- and intra-clan violence also frequently occurs throughout the country.
The United States has no official representation in Somalia.

jUST sAYING
 
deprave

deprave

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My point is the United States is a small government that has done well. Somalia is in war and complete lawlessness with lack of order so I fail to see how that's some kind of example of small government or even organized anarchy, its a war zone. Haiti is also a disaster area, basically a war zone. Your argument is completely invalid.
 
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ChesusRice

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deprave said:
My point is the United States is a small government that has done well. Somalia is in war and complete lawlessness with lack of order so I fail to see how that's some kind of example of small government or even organized anarchy, its a war zone.
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Haiti isnt in a war

Although Somalia is
as quoted
Since the collapse of the goverment
It has been in anarchy and under pressure from within

Small goverment works
Just saying

Please post an example of your utopian vision working

Or refer to the
Tragedy of the commons
here is a link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
 
deprave

deprave

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ChesusRice said:
Haiti isnt in a war

Although Somalia is
as quoted
Since the collapse of the goverment
It has been in anarchy and under pressure from within

Small goverment works
Just saying

Please post an example of your utopian vision working

Or refer to the
Tragedy of the commons
here is a link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
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United States of America that is my example, Haiti and Somalia are effectively war zones slash disaster areas and not examples of small government. Your argument is invalid.
 
deprave

deprave

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ChesusRice said:
So what is your complaint again?
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The gist of my argument is the people vs authoritarianism, So why do you argue for authoritarianism? Whats your compliant about people again? about liberty? What it comes down to is my question for you, why do you hate people and think that they are stupid animals?
 
missnu

missnu

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I saw a 30 year old woman and her 2 small children fixing a pothole the other day with teacups...I don't know where they got the asphalt...I picture this lady cooking it up on her stove at home...all I know is due to a small bit of traffic I saw a couple preschoolers and their mom fix a spot in a side road that was surely going to wreck a car..
 
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ChesusRice

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missnu said:
I saw a 30 year old woman and her 2 small children fixing a pothole the other day with teacups...I don't know where they got the asphalt...I picture this lady cooking it up on her stove at home...all I know is due to a small bit of traffic I saw a couple preschoolers and their mom fix a spot in a side road that was surely going to wreck a car..
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They probably got the ashpalt from the street one block over
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Toorop said:
So these private people won't have their own interests at heart but those of the community? What is to stop the person who owns the road from being the same person who decides? Or someone with an interest in controlling and creating these regulations? What if we let companies run OSHA or the EPA? If they say arsenic and toluene are safe to put into the water supply, then it will be A-OK, right? Who says that the bridges on these roads have to have "structural integrity" in order to be used?
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The name of this site is Roll It Up, not Spoon It Up.

The government has your best interest at heart? Seriously? Government has the interest of the PEOPLE at heart. They could care less about each person. That's why bullshit concepts like eminent domain exist, so a strip mall can get put in with government help. Which it subsidizes to rid us of local businesses which have been there for generations. How are you to compete with an Irishman who has his own mission to take you over and play golf? You can't. You can't compete with someone offering free dick washing lessons with every smoothe purchase.
 
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ChesusRice

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Canna Sylvan said:
The name of this site is Roll It Up, not Spoon It Up.

The government has your best interest at heart? Seriously? Government has the interest of the PEOPLE at heart. They could care less about each person. That's why bullshit concepts like eminent domain exist, so a strip mall can get put in with government help. Which it subsidizes to rid us of local businesses which have been there for generations. How are you to compete with an Irishman who has his own mission to take you over and play golf? You can't. You can't compete with someone offering free dick washing lessons with every smoothe purchase.
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Lulz
The biggest driver of eminent domain
is citys acting at the behest of Businesses

Imagine how it will be abused when Private companys start building roads
 
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