But I thought Obama hit the "reset button"?? Feds arrest 10 accused of being Russian

fitch303

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Feds arrest 10 accused of being Russian agents



Washington (CNN) -- Ten individuals have been arrested in the United States on charges of being Russian agents, the Justice Department announced Monday.
The 10 were "trained Russian intelligence operatives," a Justice Department spokesman said.
All were charged with acting as agents of a foreign government, and nine also were charged with conspiracy to commit money laundering.
The Justice Department said the 10 arrested and another person not yet in custody were part of an operation aimed at recruiting intelligence agents, but were not directly involved in obtaining U.S. secrets themselves.
Some of the suspects adopted phony identities, including those of dead Americans, officials said.
The 10 who are in custody were scheduled to appear in court Monday in New York, Boston, Massachusetts, and Alexandria, Virginia.
Each of the 11 suspects have been charged with conspiracy to act as an agent of a foreign government without notifying the U.S. attorney general, a crime that carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison, the Justice Department said. Conspiracy to commit money laundering has a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison.
The case resulted from a "multiyear investigation" conducted by the FBI, the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York and the Justice Department's National Security Division, according to a Justice Department statement. The 11 suspects were charged in two separate criminal complaints.
A Russian Embassy spokesman said Monday that he was unaware of the reports of the arrests, and said he is seeking more information from Russian officials.
 

NLXSK1

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If you remember, Hillary Clinton gave a button to the Russian prime minister.

The hilarious part was when she asked him if the term was right meaning *reset* he said no, the button said *Overcharge*

Which is beyond Ironic considering this administration...
 

Patrick Bateman

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So do either of you think "multiyear investigation" may imply perhaps pre 2008?

This spying has been going on for years

But you're right, lets fault the Obama administration, under whose watch these spies were apprehended.
 

fitch303

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So do either of you think "multiyear investigation" may imply perhaps pre 2008?

This spying has been going on for years

But you're right, lets fault the Obama administration, under whose watch these spies were apprehended.
wow dude, grab a dictionary and look up "sarcasm"...dufus.

On a side note:
"Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Farbiarz said search warrants in the case were being executed "across the country." He called the initial criminal complaint "the tip of the iceberg."

this could get interesting.
 

abe23

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This is a good thing actually. Our counterintelligence people scored big-time. Everyone knows that this is what the russians try to do, they have been for years. Now we caught them. And yes, this will get very interesting before it's over...

My guess is that we have a few people in russia on our payroll as well.
 

smearnovice

Active Member
my guess that, like "operation pipe dreams' (i think that's what it's called) during the outbreak of the Iraq war, this is something to distract the media and public from real underlying problems that are happening. Like BP's oil spill. And the Iraq war. And the ever-forgotten Afghanistan war.

Something strikes me as a bit odd when Russian spies are caught and put onto national news relatively before any trials or concrete proof has been established; I just think that something like this the government would want to mask. Imagine the general public's concern that anyone they know could be a Russian spy.. enough to keep most preocupied.

And anyways, it's not like the USA doesn't have spies literally all over the world. Regardless, this may be true and I'm interested to see how much media attention and government reasources will be devoted to this in the future.
 

abe23

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I don't think so. If they're charging them in federal court it means they have all the evidence and intelligence they need to be able to arrest them all.

That kind of conspiracy would be basically impossible to pull off because the FBI are lifetime bureaucrats and not political appointees who would have an interest in protecting the administration...
 

fitch303

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God damn are the Russians delusional?
"
Russia Wants Access to Alleged Spy Ring Suspects Arrested in U.S."

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Russia's foreign minister demanded Tuesday that it be allowed access to suspected spies arrested in the United States.
Those arrested have committed no kind of activity directed against U.S. interests, the foreign ministry said.
Russia urged the United States to take into account the "positive character" of current Russian-U.S. ties when dealing with the case
Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin also spoke out Tuesday, expressing hope that the spy scandal would not damage improving relations between Russia and the United States, news agencies reported.
"I understand that back home police are putting people in prison," Putin said during a meeting at his country residence with former President Bill Clinton, who was in Moscow to speak at an investment conference. "That's their job. I'm counting on the fact that the positive trend seen in the relationship will not be harmed by these events."

In a statement on the scandal the ministry said, "We are talking about Russian citizens who came to the United States at different times."
"They have not committed any kind of actions directed against the interests of the United States," it added.
It called on the U.S. authorities to guarantee consular access from Russian officials for the suspects.
The Foreign Ministry would not say specifically how many of the 11 alleged deep-cover agents are Russian.
NTV television identified two of the defendants as Russian and showed their photographs from a social networking website. NTV said Mikhail Semenko had moved to the U.S. in 2008 and Anna Chapman, said to have an English husband, moved to the U.S. in February of this year. Both are in their late 20s.
The FBI announced the arrests of 10 suspects Monday, and an 11th person allegedly involved in the Russian spy ring was arrested Tuesday in Cyprus. Court papers said the operation goes back as far as the 1990s and many of the suspects were tracked for years.
Semenko and Chapman, however, were listed in a separate complaint and said to use their real names. Most of the other suspects were accused of using fake names and purporting to be U.S. or Canadian citizens while really being Russian.
They are accused of attempting to infiltrate U.S. policymaking circles while posing as ordinary citizens, some of them as married couples.
Oleg Gordievsky, a former deputy head of the KGB in London who defected in 1985, said Russia probably has about 50 deep-cover couples spying inside the United States.
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev would know the number of illegal operatives in each target country but not their names, the 71-year-old ex-double agent told The Associated Press in a phone interview Tuesday.
Countries often have a number of intelligence officials whose identities are declared to their host nation, usually working in embassies, trade delegations and other official posts.
Gordievsky, who spent nine years working in the KGB directorate in charge of illegal spy teams, said he estimates there are 400 declared Russian intelligence officers in the U.S., as well as up to 50 couples charged with covertly cultivating military and diplomat officials as sources of information.
He said the complexity involved in training and running undercover teams means Russia is unlikely to have significantly more operatives now than during his career.
"I understand the resources they have, and how many people they can train and send to other countries," Gordievsky said. "It is possible there may be more now, but not many more, and no more than 60 (couples)."
The ex-KGB officer said deep-cover spies often fail to deliver better intelligence than their colleagues who work in the open.
"They are supposed to be the vanguard of Russian intelligence," Gordievsky said. "But what they are really doing is nothing, they just sit at home in Britain, France and the U.S."
The Foreign Ministry's first reaction to the U.S. arrests was less amicable, and some senior Russian lawmakers said some in the U.S. government may be trying to undercut President Barack Obama's warming relations with Moscow.
"These actions are unfounded and pursue unseemly goals," the ministry said in a statement issued earlier Tuesday. "We don't understand the reasons which prompted the U.S. Department of Justice to make a public statement in the spirit of Cold War-era spy stories."
Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov noted that U.S. authorities announced the arrest just days after Medvedev had visited the United States and met Obama at the White House.
"They haven't explained to us what this is about," Lavrov said at a news conference during a trip to Jerusalem. "I hope they will. The only thing I can say today is that the moment for doing that has been chosen with special elegance."
Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service refused to comment on the arrests of its alleged agents.
Nikolai Kovalyov, the former chief of the main KGB successor agency, the Federal Security Service, said some of the U.S. charges against the alleged spies resembled a "bad spy novel."
Kovalyov, now a lawmaker, said the arrests were an attempt by some "hawkish circles" in the United States to demonstrate the need for a tougher line toward Moscow. Kovalyov added that Russian-U.S. ties will continue to improve despite the spy scandal.
"Our two great powers must stand together," he said.
Some lawmakers suggested a tit-for-tat Russian response, but Kovalyov said Russia would reciprocate only "if the Americans don't stop at that and risk evicting our diplomats," the ITAR-Tass news agency reported.
Other senior Russian lawmakers also alleged that some in the U.S. government resented warmer ties with Russia.
"This was initiated, was done by certain people of certain political forces, who aren't in favor of improving relations between Russia and the United States, and I feel deeply sorry about that," Konstantin Kosachev, the head of the foreign affairs committee in the lower house, the State Duma, told Associated Press Television News.
"Not all of them support Obama's policy," Mikhail Grishankov, a deputy head of the Duma's security affairs committee, told AP. "There are forces interested in tensions."
Viktor Kremenyuk, a deputy head of the U.S. and Canada Institute, a Moscow-based think tank, said the spy case could threaten a planned ratification of a new nuclear arms reduction deal signed by Obama and Medvedev in April.
"That may change the atmosphere, that may change the attitudes among Americans toward Russia, (and) that may cause very significant political consequences," Kremenyuk said.
In Britain, the case stirred memories of the country's own illegal Soviet spy -- Melita Norwood, a civil servant who spent about 40 years passing atomic research and other secrets to Moscow. Authorities ruled against prosecuting the elderly grandmother when she was exposed in 1992. Norwood died in 2005 at the age of 93."
 

smearnovice

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Does it? Or does federal court just mean there where federal charges brought up against them?

And sure thing about the FBI and bureaucratic agencies, but look at who arrested Tommy Chong? the DEA. The FBI and DEA are just the tools, or arms if you will, of higher bureaucratic powers. There is always a chain of command and personally, I always try to look at why something could happen.

Anyways they are being charged for money laundering and conspiracy to act as an agent of the foreign government. I have not read anywhere exactly why these are the charges that were brought to them; in this I mean that when someone gets nabbed and the authorities want to make the whole scene public, there is usually some kind of immediate proof. If someone is being charged for drug trafficking, there is usually somekind of shipment that was seized along the way with evidence pointing to that unlucky person. And money laundering? Maybe this came from the whole 'secret money drops' or whatever. But these guys apparently took various American citizens identities, but for some reason fraud or identity theft or nothing of that sort is being brought up against them.

Apparently the FBI admitted to monitoring these agents for several years already, don't you think there would be something particular that lead to all the arrests?

In one instance, Chapman was in a bookshop and the Russian government official drove by in a van to make the wireless connection
the Russian government? I think this sounds a tad ridiculous..

This could be real but I feel it's either an elaborate hoax or a government ploy.

Anyways, this is now above the BP oil spill on CNN. Which is the largest man-made disaster that's ever happened ecologically.

EDIT: but then again, you can never really tell what kind of shit the KGB will cook up
 

abe23

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Does it? Or does federal court just mean there where federal charges brought up against them?

And sure thing about the FBI and bureaucratic agencies, but look at who arrested Tommy Chong? the DEA. The FBI and DEA are just the tools, or arms if you will, of higher bureaucratic powers. There is always a chain of command and personally, I always try to look at why something could happen.

Anyways they are being charged for money laundering and conspiracy to act as an agent of the foreign government. I have not read anywhere exactly why these are the charges that were brought to them; in this I mean that when someone gets nabbed and the authorities want to make the whole scene public, there is usually some kind of immediate proof. If someone is being charged for drug trafficking, there is usually somekind of shipment that was seized along the way with evidence pointing to that unlucky person. And money laundering? Maybe this came from the whole 'secret money drops' or whatever. But these guys apparently took various American citizens identities, but for some reason fraud or identity theft or nothing of that sort is being brought up against them.

Apparently the FBI admitted to monitoring these agents for several years already, don't you think there would be something particular that lead to all the arrests?

the Russian government? I think this sounds a tad ridiculous..

This could be real but I feel it's either an elaborate hoax or a government ploy.

Anyways, this is now above the BP oil spill on CNN. Which is the largest man-made disaster that's ever happened ecologically.

EDIT: but then again, you can never really tell what kind of shit the KGB will cook up
For cases involving national security and foreign spies, there is no way the politicos would be able to sit on it and release it at a convenient time....this investigation must have been going on for years and at some point you just have to wrap it up. And if it is a big spoof to draw attention away from the oil spill, the state department didn't get the memo, because they're pretending like nothing happened. http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/europe/State-Department-Downplays-Damage-of-Russian-Spy-Case-97423084.html

As far as the russians go, remember how they poisoned that guy with radioactive sushi? They don't always seem to be the most careful or skilled. Maybe they've been too drunk to spy and assassinate people properly since the soviet union came down.
 

smearnovice

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If the politicos had sat on it until now, what makes you think there is no way they decided to release all this at a convenient time for them?

And regarding the state department not paying attention, what makes you say they are pretending nothing's happened?

From your link:

Gordon said U.S. diplomats have raised the issue with Russian officials in both Washington and Moscow, but gave no details. He said he was, at this point, unaware of potential diplomatic expulsions stemming from the case.

Gordon said the two sides have moved beyond the Cold War and toward a more trusting relationship, but apparently not far enough to prompt Moscow to abandon intelligence operations in the United States.
Now the Assistant Secretary of State has already doubtlessly told the Secretary of State this piece of information too. That Russians are to be trusted less or not be trusted at all. The Secretary of State will pass this down to everybody in his department and inform the president. The government may hide information from the public, but it is rarely ignored. That is not to say it can't happen (like supposedly with the 9/11 attacks, but whoever claimed to have information regarding terrorist activities prior was not assistant Secretary of State I believe) but in this case it is doubtful the President will disregard information that is on national news already.

The fact of the matter is that regardless of whose spying on who, a 'better tomorrow' i.e decreasing nuclear stockpiles and better relations, what the Obama administration is pursuing with Russia, is this goal is not going to be achieving by becoming hostile towards anybody. In this case Russia. If progress is to be made then incidences such as this need to be taken into account, but cannot govern foreign policy.

If this incident is real, or even if it isn't, the State Department and US government in general will likely start to keep a closer eye on possible spies.

and fitch, I wasn't aware, but the current oil spill is now over half of Kuwait's and still going. I don't think it will reach 590 million gallons but it is still very serious (as I'm sure no one is disagreeing). But that's (somewhat) relieving that there has been a spill of greater proportion, at least in a sense that I was almost thinking this is something we may not recover from. But keep in mind gulf streams that originate from the Gulf of Mexico and end up far across the world..

what I wonder, is if Russia had any intentions other than just "obtaining intel" with these 'spies' that were caught..
 

Big P

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pls, the spys have almost every single piece of US inteligence they want russia and china too.


america is in decline, as are our inteligence agencies, that is why there was a rush to fix them after 9/11

before that there was like a security breech every other week almost lol at los alimos under Bill clinton and bush II


or like how the chinese got our plans for a 10 warhead nuke through a chinese contact who was a fund raiser for billy clint himself, i forget the exact story


its tha happy go lucky that get jacked and robbed, u need a street smart warrior to protect a nation. this is the major flaw in our democracy that we must live with. the people make choose the leaders, and most of the people are happy go lucky and not street smart and a long long way from warriors

so in turn they elect bitch made faggots like clinton and obama.


and pls dont try to trip on me cuz i said the word faggot, i prolly got more gay freinds than u
 
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