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Happy420Pharmer

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Ivhad a few grows but this is the first time i'v had bugs. I was doinga reg exam before going to flower and saw a single bug an aphid Ibelieve. Im growing inside, a small tent, 4 plants in tent & 4clones in veg box, growing in soil & or soilless mix, organic, Iknow ladybugs are good for Aphids but Home Depot has drivin all themom & Pops nursery away, where do I buy Ladybugs? Also I'm surehere in So. Cal. I'm gonna get more bugs, what is good to have onhand (neem oil,etc)
Also heard about a drop of Dawn dish soap in agallon/liter of water as a foliar, is this advised?
Any help willbe appreciated.

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Jozikins

Jozikins

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You got it man, keep it reg with the neem sprays once every 1-2 weeks, and do something like azamax or GoGnats or even cinnamon oil inbetween that. Neem is also a fertilizer, and applying it too often will over feed your plants and they will develop a tox and the roots will go lazy, so this is why we break it up with something different. Azamax and Neem are very much the same as they are derived from the same plant, so it is possible to let resistant insects like aphids to build an immunity to it. So sometimes a pyrethum fogger like Doctor Doom does the trick. Just do not stop once you start spraying down, once a problem starts it never fully goes away, one problem leads to another, and there is always an op for bugs to come in whenever they get a chance, same with mold, so preventative maintenance is always the key. Sometimes it is necessary to drench the soil if the insects or soil bound, did you find the insects on your soil, in your drain pan, or on the leaves?

Oh, and never spray neem more than 3-4 weeks into flower, some people say you can get away with it up to week 5, and I have as well, but it could potentially leave a bad flavor. I can always tell when someone sprayed with need a week or two before flower, smells like peanut salad dressing.
 
roidrage152

roidrage152

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Was it just 1 bug? I wouldn't worry too much unless I saw a few more. I am all about nipping problems in the bud, though I've also made the mistake of overreacting to a problem and creating more worse problems. Using a little neem I feel like is just good practice in general however. Remedies like soap, and stuff like that I can't get n board with, never had any luck fixing any problem without eventually resorting to the big guns.
 
del66666

del66666

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Jozikins said:
You got it man, keep it reg with the neem sprays once every 1-2 weeks, and do something like azamax or GoGnats or even cinnamon oil inbetween that. Neem is also a fertilizer, and applying it too often will over feed your plants and they will develop a tox and the roots will go lazy, so this is why we break it up with something different. Azamax and Neem are very much the same as they are derived from the same plant, so it is possible to let resistant insects like aphids to build an immunity to it. So sometimes a pyrethum fogger like Doctor Doom does the trick. Just do not stop once you start spraying down, once a problem starts it never fully goes away, one problem leads to another, and there is always an op for bugs to come in whenever they get a chance, same with mold, so preventative maintenance is always the key. Sometimes it is necessary to drench the soil if the insects or soil bound, did you find the insects on your soil, in your drain pan, or on the leaves?

Oh, and never spray neem more than 3-4 weeks into flower, some people say you can get away with it up to week 5, and I have as well, but it could potentially leave a bad flavor. I can always tell when someone sprayed with need a week or two before flower, smells like peanut salad dressing.
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apparently.......insects dont build resistance to neem but they can build resistance to products derived from neem oil so use neem not some messed about with shit.
 
Carl Spackler

Carl Spackler

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del66666 said:
apparently.......insects dont build resistance to neem but they can build resistance to products derived from neem oil so use neem not some messed about with shit.
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Any pest can build up resistance to any pesticide, "organic" based, inorganic, synthetic you name it. This is why it is so important to rotate pesticides and control methods. For resistant populations to occur, all that is needed is a male and female of a given species that has some resistance to any particular pesticide. They get together and produce babies that carry the same genetic advantage that their parents passed on to them. Since small insects have very rapid reproduction rates/life cycles (some aphid species complete their life-cycle in as little as 20 days) it quite easy for resistant populations to build up. Rotation to two or more pesticides greatly reduces the potential for control resistance.
The best analogy I can think of is the use of antibiotics by healthcare professionals. With the advent of penicillin in the late 20's/early 30's it was hailed as a "wonder drug" for any bacterial infection that a doctor stumbled upon. Often it was liberally prescribed without an accurate culture/diagnosis for a specific malady. As a result, specific bacteria quickly built up resistance to the point that some types were (ex. MERSA) highly resistant to any treatment. The first rule of good control of any pest is to first identify the pest. A arbitrary application of pesticides without first doing this is asking for trouble. Application of broad-spectrum insecticides, fungicides and/or miticides can sometimes also be devastating for harmless insect(s) or pathogen that are keeping the harmful pest populations in check. This can easily result in run-away-populations of harmful, resistant species, particularly if a single pesticide is continually used.
 
del66666

del66666

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Carl Spackler said:
Any pest can build up resistance to any pesticide, "organic" based, inorganic, synthetic you name it. This is why it is so important to rotate pesticides and control methods. For resistant populations to occur, all that is needed is a male and female of a given species that has some resistance to any particular pesticide. They get together and produce babies that carry the same genetic advantage that their parents passed on to them. Since small insects have very rapid reproduction rates/life cycles (some aphid species complete their life-cycle in as little as 20 days) it quite easy for resistant populations to build up. Rotation to two or more pesticides greatly reduces the potential for control resistance.
The best analogy I can think of is the use of antibiotics by healthcare professionals. With the advent of penicillin in the late 20's/early 30's it was hailed as a "wonder drug" for any bacterial infection that a doctor stumbled upon. Often it was liberally prescribed without an accurate culture/diagnosis for a specific malady. As a result, specific bacteria quickly built up resistance to the point that some types were (ex. MERSA) highly resistant to any treatment. The first rule of good control of any pest is to first identify the pest. A arbitrary application of pesticides without first doing this is asking for trouble. Application of broad-spectrum insecticides, fungicides and/or miticides can sometimes also be devastating for harmless insect(s) or pathogen that are keeping the harmful pest populations in check. This can easily result in run-away-populations of harmful, resistant species, particularly if a single pesticide is continually used.
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neem hits them on several levels ....i suggest you research it properly before you tell me im wrong..............
 
Jozikins

Jozikins

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del66666 said:
neem hits them on several levels ....i suggest you research it properly before you tell me im wrong..............
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I can only speak for myself, but I have done an extensive amount of research on neem. Neem is fucking incredible, but anything can build a tolerance. I know exactly how it targets insects, it prevents them from ever entering or exiting the pupa stage, and if they do they should be too disfigured to reproduce, or should be sterile. It prevents them from being able to molt, and causes a phenomena similar to nausea in the insect, and they slow or cease to feed.

But what Carl said is absolutely true, and if you do care to take a second look, you may find the same. Double check the sources of your information, always be careful not to give too much credit to somebody who is trying to make a sale.

I'm not trying to discredit you by any means. But if you have some valid sources for your side of the argument, I would enjoy reading them. I don't want to be misinformed either.
 
Carl Spackler

Carl Spackler

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del66666 said:
neem hits them on several levels ....i suggest you research it properly before you tell me im wrong..............
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Checking my post for any mention of Neem oil........nope, still nothing. The intent of my post was simply pointing out that multiple control products are needed for good control of pests. I am not doubting the efficacy of Neem oil or any other pesticide, only that when improperly used, one single product can cause problems down the road. If I were to reveal my background in this industry you might not be so hasty to suggest that I "research it properly" before offering a comment or help.
 
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