Bud Rot Wars....Or how to Survive a Botrytis Attack

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    kayuman

    kayuman Member

    Hey,

    I am very new member here and I have to say that the information I have acquired from this group has been absolutely invaluable :mrgreen:. In return I’m hoping that I can give back a little something to the group, please appreciate that I am pretty much a novice grower however I am learning everyday!

    Annoying Disclaimer: Please note the information expressed below are strictly IMHO, I am not a biologist, chemist, botanist… just a novice grower who is hooked!:neutral:

    Bud Rot (aka: head rot, mold, or its evil name Botrytis Cinerea) is sinister…. insidious, after months of TLC and caring for your babies this invader stomps through your garden decimating one bud after another.

    I have had the misfortune of fighting Botrytis twice, my first fight was a resounding loss with only a 1/4 of my crop salvaged and at that my babies had to be pulled way too early for anything to be construed as really potent.

    At one point during my initial dealings with Botrytis I started pruning out one offending bud after another in succession, determined to save my girls. Some 10 quarter sized buds over 6 plants were cut out; pleased with my results I relaxed a little thinking that the worst was over. My pleasure was short lived as week later I was greeted with all the buds above and below the original 10 sites now infected PLUS another 12 new sites were found on surrounding branches. I freaked out!!!… Seeing another 30 more buds succumb to waste I panicked ran into the garden with my scissors….:shock::cry:

    After the carnage was over and a woeful, immature yield I was determined to be better prepared with Knowledge on the next grow. Little had I know at the time but the manner in which I handled the initial Botrytis infection had only compounded the infection exponentially!:dunce:

    Knowledge

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    Fig 1: The life cycle of Botrytis


    According to an article of the Ministry of Agriculture and Lands website:

    - Botrytis can survive/over winter as mycelia and/or sclerotia in the soil, on plant debris, and on perennial plants and weeds for several months or years.
    - Grey mould thrives under cool, wet condition and often establishes on dying tissues. It produces masses of dry spores called conidia that are air-borne. Spores are readily dispersed by wind (air currents), over-head irrigation or sprays, tools (particularly pruning shears & knives), machinery and workers. An epidemic situation can happen from air-borne spores that can infect soft tissues, cut-wounds and blossoms when moisture is present.
    - Botrytis spores can remain dormant for 10 to 12 weeks within leaf scars made at pruning. Such spores can be triggered to germinate by low light, plant stress or shift in fruit load. Spores germinate and penetrate the plant surface within 5 to 8 hours on wet/moist plant surfaces at the optimum temperature of 15-20°C. A new infection can produce visible symptoms and masses of spores (conidia) within a few days, thus a multiple cycles of infection can be expected in a given growing season.

    You will notice that one of the key “ingredient” to Botrytis germination and spread is always moisture.

    After much investigation it became clear that a multipronged attack on a Botrytis outbreak was needed with the ideas of inspection, removal and prevention. Also as Botrytis predominately (read not 100% of the time) needs moisture to facilitate infections some form of moisture/humidity control was needed along with consideration of antifungal and nutritional support.

    These are the tools that have really helped me stem (not totally eradicate) the bud rot tide:

    1) Inspection

    I cannot stress this basic routine type maintenance enough, right from your very, very first flower be vigilant inspecting your babies every day (if you can afford the time). The sooner you identify bud rot in your garden the better your chances of combating it. To inspect for bud rot I have adopted the following procedures:
    a. When you are inspecting your girls for bud rot it is a good idea to gently pull on the large fan leaves to manoeuvre your viewing angle of the buds, don’t bring your fingers into the stem or to the bud as you may accidentally pick up spores on your fingertips and inadvertently spread the infections to otherwise healthy buds during your inspection.
    b. While inspecting the buds carefully check the tiny pin leaves at the base of the buds, they should be green and healthy, any evidence of brown/grey/twisted/dying leaves (see Fig 2) at the base of the bud is a bad sign.
    c. Test by gently pulling on one of these leaves, if the pin leaf is healthy it will resist and remain intact, if the leaf pulls off or merely “slides” out and the base of the leaf is brown/grey and squishy…it’s more than likely bud rot.


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    Fig 2: Pin leaf and base of bud infected with Botrytis. This infection site is relatively new and just starting at the base of the bud adjacent to the plants main stem (crotch area). The pin leaf pulled away from the bud without any resistant during inspection. Left unchecked this entire bud would be mush in a matter of days and the infection would move on to both the stem and the adjacent buds



    d. Gently pull the suspicious bud away from the main stem and look into the “crotch”; this is where bud rot starts between the warm protective flesh of the bud and the stem where airflow is minimum and moisture is more apt to be abundant.
    e. I find it very handy to carry coloured yarn while I am inspecting buds for infection. Nothing is more frustrating than finding an infected bud, leave to collect your surgical tools (more on that later) and having to spend 5 minutes re-examining your canopy of buds looking for that one tiny infection, mark the culprit with a piece of coloured yarn.
    f. Should you test and identify (see 1a) an infection immediately stop any further inspections, mark the spot with a piece of yarn and wash your hands before continuing. Touching the infected site could cover your fingers in millions of microscopic invaders. As part of my bud rot arsenal I bring both a bucket of hot soapy water for washing and a bottle of alcohol for further disinfection. Clean your hands than continue with inspection.
    g. Once all the bud rot sites are identified it’s time to move on to surgery.

    2) Surgery:

    Ok so it’s not really surgery, but in some bizarre way it kinda feels like it…..

    Equipment:
    - Damp paper bag
    - Damp paper towel
    - Sharp Scissors / Exacto Knife (washed and sterilized)
    - Q-Tips
    - Latex Gloves
    - Alcohol
    - Copper Sulphate Solution
    - Sodium Bicarbonate Spray Solution
    - Bucket of Hot Soapy Water
    - Dry Paper towels
    - Popsicle sticks (good for gently prying a bud away from the stem for taking a peek.)

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    Figure 3: Botrytis war kit (more on the ECO spray later in this article. The Copper Sulphate solution is in the purple coloured bottle.


    Note on the Copper Sulphate Solution: A friend of mine is a Chemistry teacher at the local high school and I had him derive a Copper Sulphate solution @ 160 ppm (he knows the math and it’s been far too long since I was in Chem. 101! I am pretty sure he mixed at a ratio of 2ml of Copper Sulphate into 1 Liter of Distilled Water, however please see disclaimer. Copper is a common element in many antifungals. As a side note Botrytis is a very common threat to grapes I am sure anyone could enlist their local high school chemistry teacher to help derive a similar solution under the guise of “saving ones grapes” :wink:


    When inspection reveals a botrytis/bud rot infection I immediately take the following steps;

    a) Latex gloves, it just seems like a good precautionary measure to wear these while “operating” on a Botrytis site.
    b) A dampened paper bag to contain the offending bud once it’s removed and it’s billions of spores. (Nothing like carrying an infected bud out of your garden in your bare hand while it showers your healthy babies with deadly spores.)
    c) Dampened paper towel. I use these to cover over the healthy area immediate around the infection site to capture any dislodged spores while I am removing the infected bud.
    d) Sharp Scissors washed in hot soapy water and dipped in alcohol. (I am not 100% sure if alcohol kills these spores but it seems a reasonable precautionary measure).
    e) Once I have the above in place, I gently pull/bend the stem slightly so as minimize disturbing the offending bud, slide my scissors tight to the base of the stem and snip off the bad bud, it is gently put into the damp paper bag.
    f) I than treat the “infection” site and associated stem area with a copper sulphate solution on a Q-TIP to help stop the Botrytis from literally crawling up or down the stem to the next buds.


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    Fig 4: Q-tip dipped in Copper Sulphate Solution to be applied to the stem and surrounding area after removal of the infected bud.


    g) The paper bag with the offending bud(s) and the deadly brood of spores is carried far away from the garden and if not burned placed in a trash bag.
    h) After each infection removal WASH! Clean your tools and your hands.:!:
    i) It is imperative to monitor the cleansed site every day to monitor the overall health of the area and of course the surrounding buds for any contact infection. (The yarn trick works very well to keep track of these sites).


    3 Preventions

    Increase your airflow in and around your girls, this includes:
    a. Some gentle LST (low stress training), by opening up your plant as it grows with ties and strings creating greater air gaps between adjacent plants, stems and branches. The more air flow the better, it helps to control bud rots friends (humidity & dampness). As a side benefit a stem trained even slightly horizontal, IMHO, produces a greater quantity of larger nugs than a vertical stem. Additionally the nugs grow upwards and away from the stem therefore eliminating the nasty “crotch” area where lack of airflow and moisture tends to live.


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    Fig 5: An LST set up. A simple coat hanger bent into a horseshoe with garden ties makes a versatile set up to gently pull a branch away from the main stem and open up the plant to increase airflow.


    b. Later on when the buds are larger I have actually gently inserted straws or large wooden tooth picks/straws between the stem and the bud creating a small air gap.



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    Fig 6: To increase airflow around the entire bud and eliminate a “crotch” where airflow is minimal and moisture can be trapped a Popsicle stick works well.


    c. Trim and clean the foliage under the plant specifically taking off non-productive stems and yellowing leaves. Open the airflow below your plant. Constantly clean out any weeds and dead debris under your girls where Botrytis can continue to live as a mycelium.

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    Fig 7: Pretty basic maintenance, however cleaning up the undergrowth and keeping the ground clean helps to increase airflow. Note the fan blowing through the opened up “tunnel”.


    d. Fans: This is somewhat a debatable issue as Botrytis spores can become airborne; however another reference article I had read indicated that the Botrytis spores are much more inclined to propagate via a moisture carrier (rain, irrigation, sprays). My thinking here is to remove morning dew as fast as possible in order to lower humidity and trapped moisture on the plants. As a side benefit my girls love the constant breeze and the stems have thickened nicely!
    e. Shake your Plants: After a heavy rain has finished you will want to remove as much moisture as quickly as possible, shaking your babies (quite violently too) will help to do this. Make sure you don’t throttle the poor girls or snap a stem….
    f. Watering: It goes without saying but water/feed first thing in the morning, this will allow the soil and your plants to absorb a fair bit of the moisture and help reduce evening dew. For example, Tomatoes are never watered in the evening for fear of promoting Mosaic Virus, your girls should be treated the same.
    g. Don’t finger your buds unless you are inspecting:!: It’s always nice to look over your yield, but don’t just play around with them, leave them alone you might inadvertently be spreading millions of Botrytis spores:shock:. Use the fan leaves to manoeuvre the stem/buds
    h. I did not do this in this years grow, (although I really should have!). To help break/interrupt the Botrytis life cycle in next years grow I will not only thoroughly till over the garden bed but pre-treat the soil with an a garden antifungal well before the girls are planted. Hopefully this will help remove any over wintering mycelium.


    4 Other Ideas on Combating Botrytis

    a) Foliar Feeding with a Seaweed/Kelp Extract: I read an excellent article from another post. They illustrated that plant stresses, (including flowering) can cause the plant to consume all of its available K in mere hours and that a lack of K in a plant structure lowers its ability to combat disease. His recommendation was to foliar feed plants under a Botrytis attack with a seaweed/kelp extract containing K. The stuff really stinks however my girls really seemed to enjoy the applications of seaweed extract and it’s relatively cheap (ECO SPRAY @ $8.00)

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    Figure 8:Seaweed Extract Spray


    b) Sodium Bicarbonate solution: Many reference articles point to a sodium bicarbonate solution made from Baking Soda (make sure the baking soda does not contain other elements, just Sodium Bicarbonate), 1tsp Baking Soda, ¼ tsp Neem oil and 1 qt warm water, shake well to mix in the Neem Oil while applying with a mister. I use this method and it seems quite successful.
    c) Potassium Bicarbonate Solution: Additional articles make very positive reference to a solution of 15 –30 ml of Potassium Bicarbonate mixed into water and applied with a mister. As common and relatively safe as Potassium Bicarbonate is, I have yet to locate a local source for trials:wall:
    d) Citrus Spray: Another article made reference to a citric based spray; I have yet to locate a “garden” citrus spray other than a floor cleaner for trials.

    5 Some Reference Photos & Discussion

    This year I encountered 5 initial (primary) Botrytis infections some 2-3 weeks into flowering; the buds were about the size of quarters. These 5 sites were removed in the method outlined earlier. Some 3 days later I discovered another 2 separate primary infections (in all likelihood I missed these in the previous inspection or they weren’t as developed as the others). Another 3 days later I had to remove the upper and lower buds from 2 of the primary infection sites and remove the top of one cola. To date the count is 12 young buds as compared to the previous year of some 40-bud infections before I panic harvested! The point to make here is that after removing the initial infections you are not out of the woods as guaranteed there will be additional primary and secondary infections that will undoubtedly develop. Be dedicated to your inspections and persistent with infection removal and treatment. (Since writing this article I have had no new outbreaks in over 9 days now:grin:).

    To further demonstrate and reinforce the point of catching infections as early as possible please see both Fig 9 and Fig 10.

    Fig 9 is from a primary infection site and is one of the locations that I had to also remove the upper and lower bud, note the nasty brown scarring on the stem. This (IMHO) primary site had time to penetrate into the stem and start “crawling” both upwards and downwards, hence the loss of the upper and lower bud as the infection had reached them before I treated the area.

    Whereas Fig 10 shows a secondary infection site that was discovered in the very early stages of the infection (to see the actual bud taken from this area please see Fig 2.) Because this infection was caught very early the stem is still vibrant, unscarred and other wise healthy, no further bud loss has occurred at this site

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    Fig 9: Shows a previously removed primary infected bud and the remaining stem scar from the infection. The infection had time to penetrate into the stem, which allowed it to infect both the upper and lower buds, which ultimately had to be also removed. The stem was dabbed repeatedly with a solution of Copper Sulphate; notice that the remaining buds around the site are still healthy and intact.


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    Fig 10: The infection here was found in its very early stages and removed. As compared to Figure 9, the stem was not yet penetrated (the stem was still treated with the Copper Sulphate solution after the bud was removed).


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    Figure 11: Unfortunately the very top bud had to be removed on one plant due to an infection:mad: , however doing this has salvaged the rest of the associated buds.



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    Figure 12: Just plain Nasty!!!!!…. A secondary infection caught in the very early development; note that infections always start down in the “crotch” of the stem and the bud.


    Closing

    Too often I have read postings of bud rot advice that simply state to cut the bud or the stem right out, this is very poor advise as merely hacking out bad buds without some infection control measures will create additional infections and minimize your final yield, that is if additional secondary and even tertiary infections don’t make you hurriedly harvest off you crop in a panic as I had.

    It is a tedious and time consuming procedure to manage a Botrytis outbreak in your garden, treat it like a deadly virus (deadly mould) that is highly contagious, because it is! Fighting Botrytis requires patience and perseverance to not only salvage your crop but to see it thorough the remaining weeks to it’s maximum potential without prematurely having to harvest, approach the problem with patience, perseverance and caution. Don’t be discouraged by the onset of new additional infections and keep in mind that the loss of a few buds will save the whole garden and see it though to its full maturity is the goal.

    I hope that something in this is paper is useful to you should you ever find yourself battling a Botrytis outbreak. I hope that this thread will collect useful information that I have not covered already. I of course welcome any positive feedback and if I have misstated a case please feel free comment so we all may learn.bongsmilie

    Good Growing,

    Kayuman
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    Phenom420

    Phenom420 Well-Known Member

    Damn fine post, great one for your FIRST!
    Welcome to RIU
    Rep in da mail!

    This should be a sticky!
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    Phenom420

    Phenom420 Well-Known Member

    So sorry that you had to learn the hard way.
    I'm gonna bookmark this and use it to help others as well.
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    kayuman

    kayuman Member


    Thanks for the good words Phenom420 :bigjoint:, much appreciated, jes hope this can help out others!

    Kayuman
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    sea123

    sea123 Active Member

    great post man, i've got some rot in my garden but i simply plucked it and tossed it, and have about twice as many infections as before, so i goin to follow your advice and hope for the best
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    kayuman

    kayuman Member

    Hey Sea123,

    Sry to hear that and I hope that you can get ahead of it!

    How far into flowering are you? I ask as the larger the buds the more and sometimes harder it is to find, use the popsicle sticks to really look into the buds.

    I'm now over two weeks and I haven't had any relapses, fingers crossed.....

    Best of luck to ya,

    Kayuman
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    "SICC"

    "SICC" Well-Known Member

    BUMP


    nice thread, i will be passing this on
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    aknight3

    aknight3 Moderator

    is it me or has anyone else had a higher level of bud rot this growing season, im in the northeast, it sucks
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    kayuman

    kayuman Member

    [QUOTE="SICC";3093403]BUMP


    nice thread, i will be passing this on[/QUOTE]


    Thanks Sicc!!

    To aknight3 - While I was researching this subject I spoke to a couple of greenhouse dudes. One of them refered to this year specifically as the perfect storm for fungys and moulds. Long cool wet summer, lotsa rain, followed by a period of high humidity = a fungys playground in your garden!

    Good Growing

    Kayuman
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    aknight3

    aknight3 Moderator



    yea man, i know exactly what theyre saying, i checked on my girls the other day, my kush had 1 huge bud probably 2 gs, rotted into mush, and even one of my sativas thats not even dense or triched up yet as fucking mold on it, its crazy, im probably gonna have to chop early this year, i mean im battling but i cannot afford to lose an outdoor grow, its simply out of the question im pretty much jsut kiss-assmother natures ass at this point, gonna check on em tomorow and maybe pull the kush plant, i mean it will be okay, but it could def go another 1 or 2 weeks at LEAST, anyways nice post dude welcome to RIUbongsmilie
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    kayuman

    kayuman Member


    If you have to emergency chop becauce you have some seriously infected bud, take out just that whole stem right down to the main stem/trunk. If the rest of the plant and buds look fine than leave em.

    Properly remove any infected buds form the stem outdoors.

    If you have to do an any emergency chop, I would assume that your still feeding and not flushing.
    If so set up a small rubber maid, fill with distilled water and throw in a couple of your air stones and start bubbling. Bring your chopped stems, (leave all the leaves on it ... your not harvesting yet) and suspend the cut stem about 1" underwater in the bubbles, tie your stem off/hang it for a few days like this. After a few days than start your harvet procedures. This will flush out the buds you've salvage and make your yield at least that much better.

    Good Luck

    Kayuman
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    nickfury510

    nickfury510 Well-Known Member

    damn fine post mi friend.......this should be stickied..............
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    kayuman

    kayuman Member


    Many thanks nickfury510.

    This was my first post and the I cut the pics down to a min size, not wanting to be a bandwidth hog. However Ima thinking of reposting with lager pics so the details show a bit better, thoughts? would that be a worthwhile venture?

    Good Growing,

    Kayumam
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    nickfury510

    nickfury510 Well-Known Member

    in this collection of smoke filled brains around here im under the opinion that more or bigger better pics are always a plus..:joint:
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    itsgrowinglikeaweed

    itsgrowinglikeaweed Well-Known Member

    Very good post. +rep
    I'm in the NE too. Indoors, but I was in-taking from a window and my biggest cola was mercilessly attacked. Good thing I inspect every day. The rest seem fine but im going in with some popsickle sticks pronto.
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    aknight3

    aknight3 Moderator

    lol my plants wouldnt fit through my front door (in one piece) sory thats out of the option bro
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    IAm5toned

    IAm5toned Well-Known Member

    good post.
    this is why i DONT foliar feed.....
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    Cheech Wizard

    Cheech Wizard Well-Known Member

    Hey great post! I just discovered bud rot in central cola of my MK Ultra plant last night. Of course it was the biggest nicest one. I cut off cola, and rest of the plant and other plants look fine. Im day 57 of flower, they should go another week or so but Im nervous now and thinking about harvesting a little early... my humidity has been kept low Im so pissed... I really dont want to get it on any of my other girls when Im so close to harvest. I check them carefully every night... urgh
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    jackdirty

    jackdirty New Member

    great post!!! also i was wondering would a silica blast help prevent mold to? its say on the bottle helps with extreme enviroments heat drought freeze..etc just wondering..
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    speeka

    speeka Well-Known Member

    Nice advice & well put together OP.

    For bud rot there is one thing i can suggest that is the bad ass. It's called Plant Magic Essence. Bit of a mission to mix it up , but once you got the knack of it, spray on once every 10 days as preventative or every 7 days as a treatment. In soil you can pour into roots too. Its a funghi assassin,This stuff works like you wont believe. Ive also found that lowering my fan-on temp, near end of flower causes the air in my grow room to be exchanged more regularly. I sat in there with a spliff & hygrometer and by lowering my fan on temp a few degrees lowered my humidity from 80+% to around 60% and 40-46% after the fan has done its thing. the fan comes on more reguarly but its that or loose the bud & then spend fucking hours disinfecting the room. ( again!)

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