Bubblelicious, New York Power Diesel, and Super Skunk in DWC

damn bob just catchin up on ur thread. sorry to hear about ur minidisaster u had with the power and ur yield. but like u said, was in the past and time to move forward. ill b followin along with this vert colliseum u got rollin and see how shit works out. goodluck!

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damn bob just catchin up on ur thread. sorry to hear about ur minidisaster u had with the power and ur yield. but like u said, was in the past and time to move forward. ill b followin along with this vert colliseum u got rollin and see how shit works out. goodluck!

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No worries, my friend - I try to learn from my mistakes, and then forget about them

Focused on this next grow (although my vert grow two grows from now has been taking a lot of my attention). Haven't been out to check on the clones since Friday and won't check them until tomorrow morning, and I'm hoping to see some new growth out of most of them (11 days since they were cut).

FYI, was at Home Depot (again) today checking out PVC pipe and fittings - basically built a system in the aisle for a half an hour - this shit (famous last words, I know) is gonna be pretty easy.

All the parts simply fit together like Legos; just a matter of glueing them together.

Also, Gambler has convinced me that a light mover is not very necessary when using 3 600s to cover a 6' vertical area, so the light mover idea is on the back burner (for at least a harvest or two).

Priced it out, and it's gonna run me ~$850 (plus $150 for unforeseen extras) to build the actual system; not bad at all, considering (doesn't include lights, though).

Still gonna try to get the sink installed, a circuit changed to 240V, and a natural gas line run, so that hasn't changed.

However, I have been giving some more thought to the air conditioning situation.

Seeing as how there are window ACs like this:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?dest=9999999997&product_id=4569533&sourceid=1500000000000001245840http://www.air-n-water.com/product/ClassicPlus26.htm

which could pretty easily handle my cooling needs (2700 hundred watts and a CO2 burner) - can make a "room" in the garage that has the AC pulling from and exhausting into the "dead space", which can be up to 100F.

Also, even though it gets hot here, the average high temp from June through August is 80, 85, and 83, so it's not too brutal - of course, temps in the garage can get up to 10-15F hotter because of the sun just beating down on the roof of the garage.

Worse comes to worse, there's a vent in the top of the garage that I can remove, so I could setup some kind of extraction from there if necessary.

Would also have that little 12" window, so I could setup a little window fan in there during heat spells, because there'd be no bad "air" in that dead zone.

So, the point of all that typing is:

Would something like this work? Figure I'd build a frame out of 2x4s, then put super thin plywood on each side (don't need the weight or strength of drywall), and put some fiberglass insulation in between the panels of plywood.

Assuming I can keep the "dead" space temps <100F (should be pretty doable), this would work fine, no?

The AC is only $500, so that'd leave me a budget of $1500 to build the room (versus the $2K of the mini-split).

I know I've been saying that I thought that a mini-split was the most "secure", but that's so permanent that her dad would have to see it at some point and ask questions, whereas I can simply remove the window fan and/or ceiling extraction when he comes over.

Makes more sense to me (right now, at least).

BTW, am I fickle enough for you guys?

if you wanted to save all ur ju-ju (electric) for lumens and bud development you could pass on the CO2 and go full greenhouse on that bi-atch. (I don't run any a.c. and my room is always a few degree cooler inside than it is outside in the summertime @ 7k.) meaning, lots of through-flow. Pull air (passive intake) from under the house through a lower wall in the garage... And use the roof (high up) garage vent for the room exhaust. You could actually skip venting the lights altogether as long as your cfm at the room top vent is high enough... allowing you to use just one carbon filter and an ozone generator. i'd say a 1400+ cfm fan going through an appropriate size carbon filter like this one:


Dutch Breeze Carbon Air Filter - DFS8 DFS8
Pounds of carbon: 82.7
Outside dimension: 14.96"
Length: 49.21"
CFM rating: 1200-1350
Flange size: 12"
GENERAL HYDROPONICS ...
Retail Price: $278.95Online Price: $234.95 per EachStock: 3 Stock Breakup
More Info
http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/items.asp?Cc=OC&iTpStatus=1&Tp=

One intake (passive) and one carbon filtered exhaust. No extra walls or construction. No hoses or ducting. If you wanted to run more than like 2-4000 watts of lighting then you'd have to consider exhausting some of the lights separately out the garage window, but i'd bet that you'd be golden up to 4k. Use an insulated aluminum vent box (prefab from lowe's home depot) to muffle the fan noise as well as a couple feet of insulated 12" ducting... then the fan connected almost directly to the filter... and you'll not be losing many cfm's on such a short and straight run.

(EDIT: if you wanted to partition off a couple of 'walls' for reflectivity, then you'd just start in one of the corners... and make sure the 12" by 24" intake vent is in the partioned off area such that fresh air is passing through the plants and past the lights to escape.)
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Thats a good price for 82 lbs of carbon filter! I wish I could get cool air from under a house like that gambler. I'm stuck sucking fresh air off the roof and exhausting it out the other side of the roof. I ain't complainin too much though

DaGambler said:

if you wanted to save all ur ju-ju (electric) for lumens and bud development you could pass on the CO2 and go full greenhouse on that bi-atch. (I don't run any a.c. and my room is always a few degree cooler inside than it is outside in the summertime @ 7k.) meaning, lots of through-flow. Pull air (passive intake) from under the house through a lower wall in the garage... And use the roof (high up) garage vent for the room exhaust. You could actually skip venting the lights altogether as long as your cfm at the room top vent is high enough... allowing you to use just one carbon filter and an ozone generator. i'd say a 1400+ cfm fan going through an appropriate size carbon filter like this one:


Dutch Breeze Carbon Air Filter - DFS8 DFS8
Pounds of carbon: 82.7
Outside dimension: 14.96"
Length: 49.21"
CFM rating: 1200-1350
Flange size: 12"
GENERAL HYDROPONICS ...
Retail Price: $278.95Online Price: $234.95 per EachStock: 3 Stock Breakup
More Info
http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/items.asp?Cc=OC&iTpStatus=1&Tp=

One intake (passive) and one carbon filtered exhaust. No extra walls or construction. No hoses or ducting. If you wanted to run more than like 2-4000 watts of lighting then you'd have to consider exhausting some of the lights separately out the garage window, but i'd bet that you'd be golden up to 4k. Use an insulated aluminum vent box (prefab from lowe's home depot) to muffle the fan noise as well as a couple feet of insulated 12" ducting... then the fan connected almost directly to the filter... and you'll not be losing many cfm's on such a short and straight run.

(EDIT: if you wanted to partition off a couple of 'walls' for reflectivity, then you'd just start in one of the corners... and make sure the 12" by 24" intake vent is in the partioned off area such that fresh air is passing through the plants and past the lights to escape.)
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That actually sounds like a pretty cool setup, in all honesty (makes me think of the SeeMoreBuds setup, actually), but that's something that would be a little too permanent and risque for me - plus those fans are hella loud (although I've never tried that muffler like you've stated).

Still at square one, but I'm leaning towards building a cheap wooden (12x room out of 2x4s and thin plywood, and having a window AC (24K BTU) mounted in it.

Would need to find a way to keep the "dead" space of the garage at least reasonable, and I'm about to do some research right now into if two Ice Boxes run off of tap water would be able to keep that area <100F, 98% of the time.

Figure even on the insanely hot days when it would get to 120F in there, the window AC could probably handle that, anyways, with how oversized it is.

EDIT: Gambler, didn't really address your point about electric - long story short, the AC/cooling doesn't cannibalize any of the power that the lights need (have 60 amps in there, which is more then enough for the <3000 watts I plan on running), and I'm not very concerned about electric costs or bills.

Just need to find the most discreet way to keep the garage temps <75F, no matter the cost.

Just gonna get a mini-split - not taking the time to build rooms within rooms and other such silliness when I could just spend a couple of grand and get what I need.

If he sees the outside unit, I'll just say it's a supplemental unit to assist our main central AC unit on really hot days (we had AC problems last summer, so that excuse should work).

For reals this time, not wasting any more fucking time on cooling the garage, and if someone sees me post something about it, tell me to stop wasting both of our time.

BTW, clones are coming along slower then I would've liked - looks like it's gonna be another 5-7 days before they're ready to veg in the flower tent for a couple of days, so 12/12 will be delayed a handful of days (3-5ish) from the original scheduled flip date of Valentine's Day.

Check the rest of your house for a GFI plug Bob. My patio is on the same circuit as my garage plug, so zapping my fish in the back yard trips the GFI plug in the garage! It took me a month to figure out where to reset that fuckr last year. Maybe your reset is in a bathroom or out on an exterior plug face?

Seems like you are starting to make your mind up bob. Although it is a more permentent solution, it is still removable if you move, or possibly up the resale of the house with an airconditioned garage.

Ok Bob, mini-split it is. If I hear you even start on another option I am going to link you back to your post talking about wasting yours/ours time.

smokingrubber said:

Check the rest of your house for a GFI plug Bob. My patio is on the same circuit as my garage plug, so zapping my fish in the back yard trips the GFI plug in the garage! It took me a month to figure out where to reset that fuckr last year. Maybe your reset is in a bathroom or out on an exterior plug face?

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Yeah, I could do that............but since I'm a lazy motherfucker and the 40 amps still in the garage is plenty for me for this next grow, I'm simply gonna leave it be, and then tell the mini-split installer to do it on that circuit, in which case HE'LL have to find the GFI and fix it

Seems like you are starting to make your mind up bob. Although it is a more permentent solution, it is still removable if you move, or possibly up the resale of the house with an airconditioned garage.

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It's done, at least until April 15th - no more talk of air conditioning or vertical systems until that day, guaranteed

Ok Bob, mini-split it is. If I hear you even start on another option I am going to link you back to your post talking about wasting yours/ours time.

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Yuppers; no more talk of any of that shit or pagelong posts about nothing - gonna be doing regular pic updates every few days (with minimal "narration"), and that'll be it - trying to make this thread more pics and less blabbering by me.

Save us all a lot of time and let us do other things (like study and find a job ).

JOB? Yeah, I've got one and it's not always all it's cracked up to be. Wash your mouth out. You've got computer games to play and weed to grow. You don't have time for a job LOL.

Bob Smith said:

Yeah, I could do that............but since I'm a lazy motherfucker and the 40 amps still in the garage is plenty for me for this next grow, I'm simply gonna leave it be, and then tell the mini-split installer to do it on that circuit, in which case HE'LL have to find the GFI and fix it

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Bob your GFIC is on a 120v line correct? What mini-split are you considering?
(120v or 240v?)

Bob, you gettin slapped around by the weather? How's your project coming?

smokingrubber said:

Bob, you gettin slapped around by the weather? How's your project coming?

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Yes and "meh".

Totally fucked up the superskunk clones, so I only got 90 "viable" (even that word is somewhat of a stretch) clones for flowering, so the plan has changed.

First, here are some pics (as promised, more pics from now on) of the plants right now (transplanted yesterday, 2/23):





What seems to have happened is that the root systems got roasted because I didn't use a towel in-between the heat mat and the tray (purposefully, as I was worried about how cold it was in the garage and figured they needed all the heat they could get).

Also the miniature size of them certainly didn't help, but all of these issues and more have been addressed for this next run .

Real quick, the new plan is as follows - gonna flower the best 72 superskunk in the top of the veg tent under my 400HPS, and now I'm gonna do 144 Bubblelicous clones in my flowering tent (cut the clones all morning).

I guess with the 98 indica mom clones I took this morning, I'll put them under the fluoros on bottom, but I'm contemplating buying a cheapo 400HPS for the bottom of the tent and running 800 watts of HPS for the 144 plants in there - just worried about the heat as I won't be able to air-cool it (I don't think).

Anyways, here's the new cloning setup:




Bought a third heating mat, and that board is actually the back of an old Godfather movie poster, which works great when supported by the buckets - much better and more even heating than laying the heat mat across two buckets; also laid a towel over all three to ensure even and not so intense heating of the rootzone.






Here's the first 98 BL clones - as you can see, they're MUCH larger than the SS clones were (was gonna show you picks of all three trays, but you get the idea). I also used Root Excelurator in the rockwool prep solution, so I'm hoping that works as well as it did last time (my first run in rockwool, when everything went great).





Here's a 4" inline which fell 8 feet from the rafter it was duct taped to - didn't check to see if it still works yet, but there's a nice dent on the front of it.

The second pic was supposed to be the filter system - basically, the 4" was going to be running 24/7 to eliminate odors throughout the garage, and the 6" inline was going to only run when the flowering tent needed to be exhausted - the two met up at a "T", which then ran to the 6" filter - there were problems with this design from the start, so I think I might just have the 4" hooked up the filter (assuming it's still running), and have the 6" exhausting dirty air into the garage (it never runs anyways, so that wouldn't be THAT big of a deal).

Trying to avoid spending money (but more importantly, the time and effort to hang it) for another filter.



Here's the Magnum XXXL hung - used a light yo-yo, which is BARELY strong enough (even at max tension) to keep that fucker up. Also have my dehumidifier hanging from the ceiling (kinda cool), and added another 12" oscillating fan on the diagonal corner from where the current one is - will take pics of the flowering tent setup and post next time I post.





And finally, here's some pics of the top of the veg tent - you can see, it's fucking outta control (as evidenced by the one plant trying to grow through the roof of the tent).

Gonna identify the seedlings (looks like most are showing preflowers) and take some clones off the best one or two females of each strain, and they're going to join my other genetics in Bob's Arc (probably a closet in my house with a little fluoro flood light) to keep them alive for the next couple of months with minimal care.

Gonna have Bubblelicous, Bagseed, NYPD, Super Skunk, AK-48, Ice, and Master Kush on the Arc.

They'll also be joined for the first month by my vegetable/pepper seedlings for my outdoor garden.

Also, got a response from SeeMoreBuds, but there was a miscommunication (he thought I was referencing nodes as opposed to inches when discussing flowering heights), so I responded back and am waiting for him to get back to me.

Finally, as you can see from the pic of the transplanted SS clones, those 3.5" pots don't fully fill up my 4x4 tray (although they're perfect for the 4x2 tray), so I ordered some 4" pots and holders - even though there's only 1/2" difference in length, with the added depth (5.25" vs. 3.75"), they provide 60% more rootspace (trust me, I did the calcs).

And that's it for now - it was a long and wordy post, but at least there were pics

Looks like you are making progress bob. Keep up the good work. Thought you might be busy since I haddnt seen you on in a while.

Integra21 said:

Looks like you are making progress bob. Keep up the good work. Thought you might be busy since I haddnt seen you on in a while.

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Yeah, have been studying, working out, and searching for gainful employment (AKA being "productive" ) for a little bit now.

Also just got back from Europe the other day (was there for a week; no, didn't go to Amsterdam).

Still need to do some work on the exhaust for the flowering tent, but other than that I'm pretty ready for this next run.

Sweet, cant wait to see it all up in action again. Pretty sure it will turn out better than the last run since it cant really get much worse, so you have that to look forward to. I wish you luck my friend.

Integra21 said:

Sweet, cant wait to see it all up in action again. Pretty sure it will turn out better than the last run since it cant really get much worse, so you have that to look forward to. I wish you luck my friend.

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Lol, you're correct about that - nowhere to go but up; it's nice setting the bar that low on my first run in this system.

That being said, if I don't beat my last harvest, all of my equipment is free to a good home

BTW, here's the pics of the new ceiling of the flower tent that I promised:

Bob Smith said:

That being said, if I don't beat my last harvest, all of my equipment is free to a good home

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I know it's frustrating, but your next crop should be better. I have faith in you... but I also have a good home ready and waiting for all your equipment