Bring back the draft

MuyLocoNC said:

While I understand the sentiment, this is a horrible idea.

When there is a clear and present danger to the USA, the LAST thing you would want to do is wait for them to reach our soil. As a rule, you always want a powerful enough and mobile enough military force to take the fight to them. That way it's THEIR citizens that are civilian casualties and THEIR infrastructure that is demolished.

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Correction, the LAST thing you want is blowback. Which is what happens from occupation. Only politicians want standing militarys so they can help various corporations that bankrolled their campaign. Tyrants prefer armies to navies so:
The Congress shall have Power To ...provide and maintain a Navy....
ARTICLE I, SECTION 8, CLAUSE 13

When Christopher Columbus was on his conquest to steal all of India's gold, why did he venture via the unknown ocean instead of just taking the known path through the Middle East? Hmmmm

doublejj said:

I was flown from San Francisco to Ton Son Nut airbase Vietnam, then by truck to 9th Infantry base at Dong Tam. We walked the rest of the way....
You want thoughtless soldiers?

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How did you get to the airport?

No I do not want thoughtless soldiers. I want a thoughtful populist.

ASCIIGHOST said:

How did you get to the airport?

No I do not want thoughtless soldiers. I want a thoughtful populist.

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actually I was on leave in California before leaving for Vietnam & my in-laws drove me to the airport....

abandonconflict said:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2343923


Of course that was 1990, I believe that the number of Vietnam veterans who have committed suicide is now higher than the 58,000+ who died in the fighting.

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The number of sucides trumps the number lost for the war on terror generation too. The efficiency of progandizd volunteers and wars fought to stalemates is far more lucrative and better for both the bankers, and the grunts it seems.

doublejj said:

I was flown from San Francisco to Ton Son Nut airbase Vietnam, then by truck to 9th Infantry base at Dong Tam. We walked the rest of the way....
You want thoughtless soldiers?

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You guys that fought in Veitnam were the last of a dying breed. Its a shame the way so many Nam veterans have been shit on by our country.

Whether we belonged in that conflict or not is irrelevant at this point, but thank you for your service.

I won't lie, if i was alive at the time, i would have gone to prison instead of Nam. I wouldn't have fled to canada, but i damn sure wouldn't go to Nam. You folks that did took courage to a whole new level.

ASCIIGHOST said:

Bringing back the draft will provide an incentive for a generation to have a vested interest in foreign policy of the nation, and ideally, change it.

Richard Nixon was finally able to stop all war protesters in the future by listening to Milton Freedman by changing it to a "volunteer" (try to quit) army. Allowing for mass progandization of future generations. This is a far bigger problem than having a draft, because there can be descent for wars if we're all equally subjected to the possibility of going to war.

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So you're saying there's a choice between "mass progandization" and "descent for war"?

ASCIIGHOST said:

Correction, the LAST thing you want is blowback. Which is what happens from occupation. Only politicians want standing militarys so they can help various corporations that bankrolled their campaign. Tyrants prefer armies to navies so:
The Congress shall have Power To ...provide and maintain a Navy....
ARTICLE I, SECTION 8, CLAUSE 13

When Christopher Columbus was on his conquest to steal all of India's gold, why did he venture via the unknown ocean instead of just taking the known path through the Middle East? Hmmmm

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Wait..... I thought the world was flat.

abandonconflict said:

So you're saying there's a choice between "mass progandization" and "descent for war"?

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I'm not saying there is a choice but I am using time and space (is this thetwilight zone?) to illuminate the differences. The end results. The behavior of the masses. After all like ghandi said, the majority is almost always wrong.

Call me when there is a war worth fighting. My felonies may exclude me from the draft but im pretty good with a gun. Never shot a rifle but i bet i can take out a few enemy troops with a 1911 or the 22lr revolver i used to have.

mollymcgrammar said:

Wait..... I thought the world was flat.

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i don't understand the jab... Blowback is a military thing, if you don't know it that's not my problem. I'm sure you have a different agenda than mine.

ASCIIGHOST said:

i don't understand the jab... Blowback is a military thing, if you don't know it that's not my problem. I'm sure you have a different agenda than mine.

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That wasnt a jab.... Just being a smartass. I guess im not as funny when im out of weed

doublejj said:

actually I was on leave in California before leaving for Vietnam & my in-laws drove me to the airport....
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So you put yourself in that position, and are proud of it I'm guessing due to the hat? What was that war about again?

mollymcgrammar said:

That wasnt a jab.... Just being a smartass. I guess im not as funny when im out of weed

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I'm semi-out so maybe it's my fault

ASCIIGHOST said:

So you put yourself in that position, and are proud of it I'm guessing due to the hat? What was that war about again?

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If nothing else that war seperated men from the boys. The men went to prison or veitnam. The boys fled to canada like pussies.

ASCIIGHOST said:

I'm semi-out so maybe it's my fault

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Its all good...

Im going to pick up an ounce of some blackjack later. Maybe that will make me funny again.....

Or Maybe im never funny and just too high to realize it.

ASCIIGHOST said:

So you put yourself in that position, and are proud of it I'm guessing due to the hat? What was that war about again?

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I only started wearing the Vietnam veteran hat a few years ago, I never told anyone I was a Vietnam vet before that. I was ashamed because of the attitudes of the people that spit on me when I returned. I only did what my country asked of me. Vietnam was a different kind of hell....

doublejj said:

Thank you, I volunteered for the Army right out of high school. 9th Infantry was my unit. I joined shortly after this was filmed

I only started wearing the hat a few years ago, I never told anyone I was a Vietnam vet before that. I was ashamed because of the attitudes of the people that spit on me when I returned. I only did what my country asked of me. Vietnam was a different kind of hell....View attachment 3476036

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I have more respect for vietnam vets than other vets (i respect them all though)

You guys were soldiers in the truest form. A soldiers job is to follow orders. Thats what you did. So many died in that war, even more came back wounded or strung out on drugs.

I was in jail with a guy who was horribly disfigured from Veitnam after he got caught on a trip wire. He said he passed out and he just remembersw waking up a few days later in a hospital bed waiting for a chopper to evacuate him.

I know another gentleman who was a helo gunner. I never asked him, but im sure he has a body count that would make Chris Kyle look like a pussy.

You men were literally put through hell. Bless your soul.

Being spit on does not work well for recruitment. Bankers knew that so out came GI Joe in cartoon form in the 1980's and the conditioning to terrorism. Fuck even back to the future had a terrorist scene.

The problem is not the Amercians that are against war, the problem is a lack of education on why wars are fought.... I'll fast forward... For the bankers, every war.... Oh but the federal reserve is a good thing! The economy would be even more unstable without it!!

doublejj said:

I only started wearing the hat a few years ago, I never told anyone I was a Vietnam vet before that. I was ashamed because of the attitudes of the people that spit on me when I returned. I only did what my country asked of me. Vietnam was a different kind of hell....View attachment 3476036

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Nothing like that ever happened to myself or anyone I know after Afghanistan or Iraq. It's fucked up that people do that kind of shit but not that they're opposed to the war. It's fucked up because they didn't ask how you felt about the war. Had they, it would have become obvious nobody hated the war more than the veterans did.

abandonconflict said:

Nothing like that ever happened to myself or anyone I know after Afghanistan or Iraq. It's fucked up that people do that kind of shit but not that they're opposed to the war. It's fucked up because they didn't ask how you felt about the war. Had they, it would have become obvious nobody hated the war more than the veterans did.

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After a guy got off the phone after his wife of 3 kids telling him she's leaving him for another he ate his M249. So everyone's experiences are different. You're not the center of the universe.