Breeding for dumb dumbs

I've been reading and reading for the passed few days. My friend has some unknown outdoor strain and we want to keep it alive. It's resistant to everything and is in my eyes the best outdoor smoke you could want. It seems to only have one pheno which is good from what I've read. So my question is besides picking the best male and female and breed them . Should I inbreed the seeded a couple times after the first batch of seeds? I read a lot about the subject but I'm clearly a noob. A step by step in plain English would be pretty help full

Ohhh and is there any draw back from inbreeding seeds from DNA seeds? Do they only release seeders to the public that can't be home breed..........if that makes any sence

First time... I just let the entire male plant pollinate away.......

That bud was gone years ago... yet in my dreams I am still picking seed out of it....

I am a noob too but I will tell you what I think I know.

only 1 pheno is a great thing, you want to use your best female and pollinate her with your best male which doesnt mean most vigorous male. You want to choose your male by the smell and resin production, often time recessive male will pass on the drug traits.

your seeds from DNA are as good as any other seeds from any seed bank, any seeds can be home bread.

that's about as much as I know and I dont think you will have to inbreed, only one batch of seeds from your best male/female will give you enough seeds for the rest of your life.

I was under the impression that seed companies sell the f3 for example ...... What ever isn't good for breeding

If you want to breed something better, it's all about selection. If you want to preserve the line, grow as many out as you can and let them open pollinate.

My advice is to preserve the line and then try breeding. Most people don't do this and it is a mistake for a few reasons. Namely, if you screw up and make bad selections breeding, you will have lost parts of the genetic line of the originals forever (or you can buy new beans, which may be a better option for some, but sometimes parents change and you are never told and you end up with something not quite like you got from those original packs, seen/heard of it happening all the time).

Sounds like your variety is true breeding for the things you like, so that's a positive. And yeah, breeders can breed things out so that the original offers what everyone is looking for and the F2's are a total mess. Some do this. Sounds like yours isn't really like this though.

I am soooooooooo thankful I saved up all my seeds from years ago.

To all you breeders making a profit and trying to patent your shit? FUCK YOU!

Folks like you are no better than Monsanto and deserve your shit pushed in up to the top of your skull.

Give it a bit more time, I personally will put out seed for free, you punks need to be put out of business.

Trying to claim a patent on mother nature as if you invented a particular strand of DNA..... frickin scumbags.

Don't get me wrong, I understand breeders and the work and fore-thought they put in to the development of their particular strains, however, this effort can be taken way to far to the point where some folks will use the law to try and corner and monopolise marijuana in it's entirety.

Get greed out of the market before we're all screwed. Greed will kill marijuana far faster than any federal or state law.

its not all the breeders fault! supply n demand.....stop buying garbage and maybe they will stop selling it.look at gsc thread, most state they dont care where its from, if thats the case get a key of mexican and start cracken, there's fire in there, just gotta find it.

Please be careful when you read my post, I don't mince words. If you read carefully, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST BREEDERS. That post isn't intended as a flame against breeders. DO NOT misconstrue it as such. My post is very clear and concise, to claim anything else, only points to the fact that you didn't read my full post or are just trying to troll up an argument to make someone look foolish.

I do have everything against people who feel the need to patent and then corporatise.


Sorry, I don't BUY seeds.

hahahahahaha! i have similar, though less intense views on that subject, but get a little more uppity about $200 beans or cash crapper growers in particular who refuse to grow gear that actually gets you high, and get an attitude with anyone who hates the status quo. i really hate stoner bud.

Get greed out of the market before we're all screwed. Greed will kill marijuana far faster than any federal or state law.

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it's too late.. the market is already ruled by greed. that's why you can't score anything that gets you high outside of socal maybe. i was just readsing something about med use dispensaries, and there was a comment that you rarely see stuff like even jack herer at those even where it's LEGAL!

preach it brother, preach it! greed is the enemy of weed! that's what made it illegal in the first place when dow chemicals invented nylon in WWII and growing hemp was no longer patritic even though george washinton grew it and the very first american flag might have been made from hemp.

there's a mod/troll here that started getting an attitude with me saying in one breath that he isn't greedy, then in the very next oner contradicting himself saying he grows indica for better yields. oh the fucking irony and denial there! "i'm not greedy, i just want more money" LOL

the nice thing about the seed market is that it's democratic. you have someone like doggie's nuts charging hundreds of dollars for beans, but then you have breeders like mandala, high quality seeds, holy smoke & sannies etc. offering great stuff at reasonable prices.

if i had my way, i'd move to canada, get serious about breeding, and then just offer everything for freebies at legit banks or med dispensaries. some breeders like gage green give stuff away to the community too.

i'm totally with you though about greed in general being the enemy of all that's good and just in the world. if you aren't a member of occupy yet, you should be. occupy, anonymous, linux... a lot of people think the money based system is busted and corrupt. it's only natural for that dark part of human nature to pollute the gift as well as keep it illegal because it sure as fuck is less dangerous than alcohol and tobacco... there's that greed again.

i think another reason it's illegal is because gear that gets you high encourages you to be happy and share like the flower children did in the 60s. that shit scared the crap out of the establishment! "what are these people doing feeding the homeless and living in communes? where's the profit in that? where's the power structure? who's in charge?!"

hazey grapes, you hit the nail on the head man. Thats EXACTLY what I mean....

It's like I told someone a long time ago that used to short me a 1/4 to an 1/8th on every zip... I don't care if you charge me 800 bucks a zip, as long as it gets me high, and weighs a a full zip when I get it. They never shorted me after that, and always charged me what I considered reasonable.

I have a complete understanding of what it takes to be a breeder, I've done it myself. I also understand the expense and risk that goes into it. I have absolutely no qualms about folks who develop a seed and charge people what the market will bear for their particular strain.

However that's where it should end. Outside of possibly copyrighting the name, I don't think that the DNA of ANY LIVING THING, should be legally patentable. EVER.

It is interesting to note that our forefathers, some of whom developed their own fruits and vegetables through selective breeding, knowing the patent laws(since they wrote them) did not then turn around and patent their own developments in selectively breed fruits and veggies.
Understand what I am saying?

If patent laws were meant to cover these things, they would have patented them all those years ago. Our forefathers were not ignorant.

I won't join Occupy, because in the end I am a capitalist at heart who has anti-corporate tendencies. I don't believe that the Occupy crowd can be successful when you have rich hollywood elitists in the crowd whining about how evil and greedy America is. When you have the likes of the hypocrite Michael Moore in the crowd? You've pretty much lost me.

Also.... many of our grandparents have their life savings on Wall St., I do dislike corporate greed and the people involved should be prosecuted when it becomes illegally corrupted, and should not be allowed to hide behind the corporation when it comes to paying the piper when a corporation commits a crime.

I don't want to hurt senior citizens who have paid all their lives into a system, and sacrificed so much through out their lives (from the depression to WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf Wars, I mean think about it), while politicians in Washington get away with murder. SCOTT FREE.....

Bill Clinton for example raised taxes to their highest levels in history on social security recipients while he was president, this couldn't have happened without republicans...

Lets face facts here, each party pushes their own anti-American, anti-Constitutional agenda further down the road each time they get elected to higher offices. Each has their own sets of rights busting mandates to slowly saw away at certain sets of rights..... and then the other party comes in, and they saw away at another set.....

Anyway, government is the problem, they set the tax rates, they set the rules.. Wall St plays by them, and when they don't they SHOULD be prosecuted. When they aren't it is because the government allows it and WE the people give the Government authority.

George Washington was thought to be one of the first people who had the forethought to develop the mule, in America(not the first in history).
He didn't patent it. Though according to the law, he could have today.

These kinds of stories are prevalent, Thomas Jefferson bred all sorts of veggies, apples, grapes, so on and so fourth.. He died for all intents and purposes broke, penniless. One of his best friends, was one of the most prolific inventors of the time, had allllll sorts of patents on alll sorts of things. Doesn't have a single patent on a single living organism though, his name? BEN FRANKLIN.

Understand?

Anyway, I hate politics. LOL!

I bred something really cool, I am pretty certain that it's an Afghani and a Big bud, and or a California orange bud.

The fan leaves are INCREDIBLY WIDE and huge..(indica), but then the leaves towards the end of the grow will get real skinny sativa, then the bud leaves will get real purpley, dark green, redishy rainbowish colors and the pistils real orangey.

One of the neat things is when I first seeded the 2 different strains together, I noticed one of the females had a split in it's meristem, it didn't split normally, normally, you cut the meristem and the next set of branches will grow two tops.......

Not this one, this one, just had a nice split between the nodes on it's own accord. SO I chose that one to breed just for the oddity of it.

I have not got a splitter like that yet, however, all of my secondary leaves end up with an extra set of leaves coming out of the center of their main leaves.... (Some folks in other grows have reported buds coming from the center of the leaves), well, instead I just have 2 leaves.. and I haven't had any hermies yet. SO that's also a good sign. =)

Lets face facts here, each party pushes their own anti-American, anti-Constitutional agenda further down the road each time they get elected to higher offices.

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there is no such thing as a two party system, just a "two message system" and even then, the game is rigged to keep the two party's supporters fighting with each other instead of them. i think the whole system needs to be torn down & rebuilt. THAT'S why i support occupy, they get the truths out that the corporate whore media supresses, oh, like a couple thousand people in NYC demanding democracy and representation for their taxation.

you mentioned bill clinton... you're right, just like obama selling us out on EVERY fucking promise he made anddoing more damage to citizens than even bush, he's the one that signed the deregulation that undid protections from another depression happening & turned banking back into a wild west system, just as bush raided the 5 billion budget surplus to give it to those who don't need it.

the two part system is busted. that's why the league of women voters was edged out of moderating political debates. those "uppity women" asked too many questions neither party wanted to answer. the ONLY solution to the problem is to get enough citizens pissed off at the true puppet masters, the elite, and demand change, even if it's french revolution style. THAT'S why occupy is needed, it was starting to wake a few people back up, but too many sheep in this country are too afraid to take a good look at the reality of the world we live in.

just a couple weeks ago, i got into an argument with a fox news tea party fucking MORON who wasn't hearing that israel's occupation of palestine is illegal and rife with war crimes or that fox news lies every chance it gets trying to tell ME that's where "the truth is" and then got mad at me when i printed out a couple articles about the UN giving a frowny face to israel over palestine, one about the foxnews wiretapping in the UK, and the court case fox won against jane akre giving them the RIGHT TO LIE. thetruth and proof only pissed him off. that's the world we live in. idiots sucking on the teats of big brother and all it's lies. the only way to fight back is grassroots and with social media. why do you think the government cracked down so hard on occupy... in a country where we're ALLEGEDLY granted free speech? someone started hacking at their house of cards. if people don't wake up, nothing will ever happen to make the world a better place and god's going to have to intervene.

i TOTALLY disagree about wall street. i'd like to see corporations ABOLISHED! they're run by leech scum who ALWAYS put their own evil greedy mitts fucking agendas over the greater good whether it be making millions off US workers, and then once they get big enough, outsourcing to india and china etc., dumping toxins in the water supply, uprooting people from their homes with eminent domain laws, raiding pension funds and social security, playing casino with our savings and charging us for their losses, keeping weed illegal and renewable energies out of the market and so on. oh no, i totally disagree with you there and think the streets must run red with the blood of shareholders, CEOs, and especially lobbyists.

Whoa this thread got DEEP in a hurry lol smoke on boys smoke on. I totally agree with your points tho. It's discussing how corrupted the world is. Even in plain sight most people choose to turn there heads and carry on living the consumerist life style using up the planets resources makin the rich richer. Its gonna be a scary place for my kids and their kids. When this unsasainable bubble finally pops and the " servival of the fittest " way of life kicks back in. The world will be grossly over populated and the fittest will be some TOUGH motha f$ckers. Lol I just watched " the road" and smoked a bomber

As for the breeding it's seems to be a labour of love to do it right. And the time it would take to do proper boggles my mind. I for one am really lookin forward to learning cuz nothing interest me more than growing good weed ........ I mean BETTER weed.

hazey.... =) corporations exist because government allows them to. Occupy is hitting the wrong folks.

They should have been standing with the tea party folks who showed up in the 100's of 1000's and took that shit OUT.

As you said, they keep us seperated cause if we ever united, it would be a shit storm for the fuckers on Pennsylvania avenue and they KNOW IT.

Imagine if Tea Part and Occupy came together? LOL! Politicians would be swearing loyalty to Canada in mass numbers I bet.

Maybe that's the key???? Occupy and Tea Party join forces, Occupy marches on Wall St... Tea Party marches on government, burn the candle at both ends.

What folks don't understand is that the two (government and Wall ST) depend on each other for survival as long as one survives, the other will as well. The CIA has shadow corporations on Wall St. They depend on these corporations to run their gigs. Without Wall St. CIA loses one of it's most valuable assets.

corporations exist because government allows them to. Occupy is hitting the wrong folks.

They should have been standing with the tea party folks who showed up in the 100's of 1000's and took that shit OUT.

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that's just the thing... the tea party THINKS that it's "fighting for our rights", and there even is common ground with occupy, but you realize that they're really just corporate stooges and don't even realize it. the whole movement was started with funds by some republican pulling the strings. they get their "marching orders", to quote rush limbaugh directly, from foxnews. why do you think when 50 tea partiers hold a rally, fox and most of the ALLEGED "liberal media" treats it like a major milestone in democracy, but when occupy directly challenges the status quo, with thousands in NYC, then tens of thousands more in cities across the country, the media doesn't even acknowledge it's existence for over a month?

sorry, but to me, tea partiers are a big part of the problem. some of them are crazy racist motherfuckers, and that's part of the elite's divide and conquer shell game. they aren't in touch with reality, and don't want to be, to the point SOME of those birther fucking nuts decided that obama just must be an alien after supplying his birth certificate because "a black man can't be that smart".

i recently had a series of arguments with a tea party nutjob recently. he believes every lie that fox and the western media promotes and got MAD at me when i PROVED that israel's occupation of palestine is illegal and rife with war crimes forcing a reply by the UN, as well as fox's lawsuit against jane akre giving them the right to lie or murdoch's minions getting busted wiretapping in the UK. it's hard getting someone who wants to kill the messenger to join the fight against evil. i mean he was REALLY getting upset that i "dared challenge his rose tinted world view" and then provided the proof he kept demanding. i thought for a minute tea baggers might wake up and switch sides, but see them as a lost cause. many of the simply LOVE conflict and enemies and the open "can't we all just get along, no one's in charge" way of occupy is a communist threat to them, what with all the blacks, gays and druggies DANCING to drums! LOL

i'm totally feeling the previous poster's comments about the world we're leaving for his children. these are bad days to be reproducing and it's sad that as fucked up as the world is already, THESE will be considered "the good old days" by some. it doesn't help that the ONLY time a majority of people get upset about all of the wrong that greed produces in the world is when it affects them directly. if it's someone else getting the shaft... well, it sucks to be them. it's a fucking selfish short sighted culture we live in in america. the rest of the world thinks in terms of civic duty and the greater good. that's why pretty much every country except the US & china signed the kyoto accord. america should be embracing alternative energies and kicking them rest of the world's ass producing them. we used to be the moist innovative country on the planet, but the empire is collapsing under the weight of too many fucking pudgy wannabe emperors.

"corporate stooges" and "nutjobs" <--- the crux of the problem, gotta stop calling regular normal folks and especially your fellow Americans, "corporate stooges" and "tea party nutjobs"; there were plenty of folks who are "tea party" that are just regular people who are tired of government continuously expanding(Now the largest employer in the world) while demolishing the rights and wealth of the folks who work hard for a living. No one can realistically claim that 16 trillion dollars of debt is a compitent way to run ANYTING!

There are plenty of folks who are just trying to get by that run businesses, that are hanging on by their teeth because the government has made the cost of doing business increasingly impossible for anyone BUT the corporatists...

When folks wake up to THAT ideal, then we will get somewhere.

To many folks do not understand the difference between corporatism and capitalism and so see ANY capitalism as bad.

gotta stop calling regular normal folks and especially your fellow Americans, "corporate stooges" and "tea party nutjobs"; there were plenty of folks who are "tea party" that are just regular people who are tired of government continuously expanding

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and those "regular americans" don't seem to have any problem associating with people you don't see on the REGULAR news holding up pics of obama as a monkey or an african in a skirt with a bone through his nose. yes, i'm sure there ARE some people in the tea party because they demand a better world, but again, the tea party is pushing the republican satanic agenda to some degree. never heard of loony sarah palin? never seen a tea party RACIST (and a lot of tea partiers ASRE raciost pieces of shit no matter what you or fox says) demanding to see obama's birth certificate and calling hem a kenyan muslim? do you know who even STARTED the tea party? a well funded right winger.

personally, i call democrats (the politicians and NOT the voters) republicans too these days, i have no love for obama at all myself, but not because he's black, but because he promised to fix a bunch of shit he's made worse, oh, like refusing to socialize medicine when he had the majority in congress to pass it through without playing the bogus republican ass kissing game.

"downsizing government" is NOT a good thing either! that's the CORPORATE AGENDA... get rid of all that oversight that makes them comply with banking and environmental regulations etc. it's a sneaky way to screw the public over just like always bitching about tax breaks that are only for the 2% and not the rest of us. i'm all for bigger "put it's foot up corporate ass with citizen oversight" government myself. there's already way too much deregulation.

sorry, but ANYONE that watches fox news can't be trusted. they serve satan himself... i say it's murdoch.



right there's PROOF of how fuckjing crazy the tea party is! they actually showed up at some obama even with fucking guns! crazy fucking racist bastards! anyone else in the party is worthy of guilt by association as far as i'm concerned. BTW, i don't recall seeing any teabaggers going to NYC to help storm victims like occupy did. the tea party is a tool for divisiveness. i'm not hearing any rationalizations about it, though i'm sure not EVERYONE in it is evil, just as i'm sure not everyone in occupy is pure of heart either, but when tea baggers start talking their radical racist shit, occupiers immediately dismiss them. you are the company you keep.

there's even worse video from tea party events like CROWDS threatening cameramen they view as outsiders or the particularly disturbing clip of the piece of shit walking around with a monkey doll in a noose that tried to hide it when he was caught on camera and so on. you can't claim higher moral ground when you refuse to purge hate mongers from your numbers.

One pheno is already an ibl breed away