botanicare pure blend pro grow 3-2-4 is NOT a complete fert?

I bought some botanicare pbp grow and when looking at the guarenteed analysis.. It's an incomplete fertilizer. I mean.. maybe I am missing something but ill post the analysis here. Notice that the trace elements aren't in there. They say that its great for hydro gardens but I fail to see how as it is missing trace elements such as boron, copper, iron, zinc, etc...

What do you guys think about it?

http://www.botanicare.com/Pure-Blend-Pro-Grow-3-2-4-P43C2.aspx

Guaranteed Analysis:

• Total Nitrogen (N): 3.0%
• Total Nitrogen (N): 3.0% Water Soluble Nitrogen
• Available Phosphate (P2O5): 2.0%
• Soluble Potash (K2O): 4.0%
• Calcium (Ca): 1.0%
• Magnesium (Mg): 0.5%
• Magnesium (Mg): 0.5% Water Soluble Magnesium (Mg)

ALSO CONTAINS NON-PLANT FOOD INGREDIENT: 0.20% Humic acid derived from leonardite.
Derived from: Fish Meal, Composted Seabird Guano, Kelp, Rock Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Magnesium Carbonate, Calcium Carbonate.

I use that line. I do use some earthjuice too . for the trace minerals . Avery small amount . Not even sure i need to be doing so . You cannot go wrong with this stuff .

chasta said:

I use that line. I do use some earthjuice too . for the trace minerals . Avery small amount . Not even sure i need to be doing so . You cannot go wrong with this stuff .

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ah.. ok that makes sense because I was using this with my seedlings and they were stunted like hell. looks like I need some earth juice also. thanks!!

i have been looking into this nute line, i'm currently on general organics, but i just been looking around at others,
do u think Pure Blend Pro Grow & Bloom Soil version And Liquid Karma Would Make mY plants thrive without adding much more?

iDC5 said:

i have been looking into this nute line, i'm currently on general organics, but i just been looking around at others,
do u think Pure Blend Pro Grow & Bloom Soil version And Liquid Karma Would Make mY plants thrive without adding much more?

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I can't recommend it because even with Pure Blend Pro Grow, Bloom Soil version And Liquid Karma combined doesn't have all the trace nutes plants need.

i have used the line for years with great success. the best taste and aroma i have ever seen.

findme said:

ah.. ok that makes sense because I was using this with my seedlings and they were stunted like hell. looks like I need some earth juice also. thanks!!

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The problem might be that you are fertilizing seedlings... How big are they? You shouldn't be using any fertilizer while they're small.

Clown Baby said:

The problem might be that you are fertilizing seedlings... How big are they? You shouldn't be using any fertilizer while they're small.

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maybe. they are about 2 weeks old and still looking like seedlings. they been having 0ppm water and a teaspoon of pbp grow per 5 gallons which is about 100ppms total. Not having all of the trace nutrients in the water will stunt the growth as well so it might be a combination.

I wished the darn guy at the hydro store would have told me that i needed some trace nutes for it. I guess ill either buy some earth juice or use some miracle gro with it.

findme said:

I bought some botanicare pbp grow and when looking at the guarenteed analysis.. It's an incomplete fertilizer. I mean.. maybe I am missing something but ill post the analysis here. Notice that the trace elements aren't in there. They say that its great for hydro gardens but I fail to see how as it is missing trace elements such as boron, copper, iron, zinc, etc...

What do you guys think about it?

http://www.botanicare.com/Pure-Blend-Pro-Grow-3-2-4-P43C2.aspx

Guaranteed Analysis:

• Total Nitrogen (N): 3.0%
• Total Nitrogen (N): 3.0% Water Soluble Nitrogen
• Available Phosphate (P2O5): 2.0%
• Soluble Potash (K2O): 4.0%
• Calcium (Ca): 1.0%
• Magnesium (Mg): 0.5%
• Magnesium (Mg): 0.5% Water Soluble Magnesium (Mg)

ALSO CONTAINS NON-PLANT FOOD INGREDIENT: 0.20% Humic acid derived from leonardite.
Derived from: Fish Meal, Composted Seabird Guano, Kelp, Rock Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Magnesium Carbonate, Calcium Carbonate.

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You're right in that it's not 'complete', there are only 1 or 2 plant foods on the market that are. I used PBP for 8 years and it's 'complete enough' to grow healthy plants so if you're having issues, that's not the plant food's fault. I would suggest posting some pics in the 'plant problems' section to get some feedback on what you're doing wrong.

homebrewer said:

You're right in that it's not 'complete', there are only 1 or 2 plant foods on the market that are. I used PBP for 8 years and it's 'complete enough' to grow healthy plants so if you're having issues, that's not the plant food's fault. I would suggest posting some pics in the 'plant problems' section to get some feedback on what you're doing wrong.

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so what you are saying is that you used pbp for 8 years.. Any of those 8 years you used it in hydro? if so, did you ADD anything else to it or just PBP to your hydro grow?

They make a hydro formula. Are are sure you have the one intented for hydro? The soil stuff still has all the hydro info on the back. I imagine they just use one label to save money. I've used it for a few years now and like it. They sent me a bunch of samples with some liquid karma and cal-mag that I use on top of it so maybe that helps fill the holes. In soil, however, you are expected to derive at least some of your trace minerals from the soil itself.

sonar said:

They make a hydro formula. Are are sure you have the one intented for hydro? The soil stuff still has all the hydro info on the back. I imagine they just use one label to save money. I've used it for a few years now and like it. They sent me a bunch of samples with some liquid karma and cal-mag that I use on top of it so maybe that helps fill the holes. In soil, however, you are expected to derive at least some of your trace minerals from the soil itself.

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ahhh shit. I looked at their website and I do have the non hydro one. But to be fair, on the one I got it does say its for hydro gardens also so idk. I will probably end up using it on my tomatoes and buying the hydro version.

findme said:

so what you are saying is that you used pbp for 8 years.. Any of those 8 years you used it in hydro? if so, did you ADD anything else to it or just PBP to your hydro grow?

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I didn't use it in hydro, it didn't sound like you were either. If you're a hydro guy, I'd move away from botanicare. The GH 3-part, H&G's Aqua Flakes or DynaGro are all better options than what botanicare is offering for hydroponic use.

findme said:

ahhh shit. I looked at their website and I do have the non hydro one. But to be fair, on the one I got it does say its for hydro gardens also so idk. I will probably end up using it on my tomatoes and buying the hydro version.

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It's great stuff man I use it in my garden also and my plants love it.

suggest any addition to pbp line? or should i stick with the General Organics Line

man, i pull 40-42oz every three weeks from 12 plants using my recipe of botanicara pbp and additives. in hydro. the sweetest smoke ever. in hydro. i even use the soil pbp for the last three weeks. in hydro. did i say i use it in hydro?

superstoner1 said:

man, i pull 40-42oz every three weeks from 12 plants using my recipe of botanicara pbp and additives. in hydro. the sweetest smoke ever. in hydro. i even use the soil pbp for the last three weeks. in hydro. did i say i use it in hydro?

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what additives do you use with pbp?

superstoner1 said:

man, i pull 40-42oz every three weeks from 12 plants using my recipe of botanicara pbp and additives. in hydro. the sweetest smoke ever. in hydro. i even use the soil pbp for the last three weeks. in hydro. did i say i use it in hydro?

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christ supe whats your veg period?

look on the back of the bottle, it tells you what other products to use. I dont see what is missing? with what they recamend has everything a plant needs.

Pure blend pro grow, and bloom/soil
cal-mag plus, liquid karma, sweet,silica blast,blast off, aquasheild, hydroplex, zho,


what else do plants need?????????

I personally don't believe in having a dozen different bottles. At least in soil. I use Grow and Bloom along with Cal-Mag. Botanicare Cal-Mag IMO is one of the best supplements on the market. I've also been using Liquid Karma and Sweet, but only because they sent me free samples. Liquid Karma lasts forever, so the 2 little sample bottles they sent me ought to last a few years. Have a bottle of Clearex too but I don't have a use for that.

Botanicare was pretty generous with the sample pack they sent me back in January. Two 8oz bottles of both PBP Grow and Bloom, along with 2 bottles of Liquid Karma. Also a bottle of Sweet and a bottle of Clearex. With shipping, I'd say it is a good $50 worth of products for FREE. I think they changed the sample policy. Too many people were taking advantage of it and they were winding up for sale on ebay. Now I think it is four 8oz bottles of your choice for $16. Still a good deal I think.

They actually have a couple new series out. There is the CNS17 series, the Power series, and a 3 part series called Triflex. I might try the CNS17 series once this PBP is gone.