Borbor's Perpetual Journal

since1991 said:

Growing outdoors is alot of initial work but once they are growing its all set. Plantking and harvesting....and routine checkup in between thats the work. But indoors...wow its so much of the little things you got to be on top of. And they add up and compound.

Click to expand...

This. So I'm designing my system to be as fault tolerant as possible. Chiller quits? My system will prevent the rooms from going nuclear for hours. Try that with AC. This idea is extended throughout and is being expanded, so that things don't go off the rails the moment one single thing goes off.

Anybody wanna see something fucking weird?

plants about 4 1/2 feet high
On the left middle there's chocolope-

the right side of the pic looks normal, but what's with the stem on the left?

it's totally flat! like a ribbon! what's going on here? mutant?
top of the stem-


This was the top of the plant and looking normal...until 12/12, it started doing this and another branch took apical dominance after the start of flowering, about two weeks ago.


By the way, after this harvest I've decided to get an apartment and stop growing until I find a good place to live where I can grow. This decision doesn't come easy, but it's the best thing for me


edit- I'm reading on icmag that this can be induced by topping, I did top this plant, which I haven't really done much of in the past.

Ive had seed plants do that. Its a mutation. One seed i pooped awhile back from some random bag did that. Ended up calling her Old Toby. Happens with seed every so often.

borbor said:

Anybody wanna see something fucking weird?
View attachment 3660594
plants about 4 1/2 feet high
On the left middle there's chocolope-
View attachment 3660598
the right side of the pic looks normal, but what's with the stem on the left?
View attachment 3660599 View attachment 3660600
it's totally flat! like a ribbon! what's going on here? mutant?
top of the stem-
View attachment 3660601

This was the top of the plant and looking normal...until 12/12, it started doing this and another branch took apical dominance after the start of flowering, about two weeks ago.


By the way, after this harvest I've decided to get an apartment and stop growing until I find a good place to live where I can grow. This decision doesn't come easy, but it's the best thing for me


edit- I'm reading on icmag that this can be induced by topping, I did top this plant, which I haven't really done much of in the past.

Click to expand...

Hey stranger! How ya been! Drop me a line sometime, I might be able to help a Borbor out, lol

GroErr said:

I have the same problem in my area, PM is everywhere. It is manageable though. One way to manage it is spray regularly, whatever you choose, do it regularly in veg, most times you won't see it in flowering if your airflow and humidity are in check, spraying in flowering is not nice for your buds but I've done it (baking soda mix). Another way is to learn to recognize early signs of it in veg and cull anything that is susceptible to it. Over time I've found certain strains, and even in some strains, only certain phenos will get it while others are almost immune to it, so recognizing it and early culling is good practice (not like it's going to go away, or even be prevented from getting some spores back in your room if your area is covered in it). I have also tried HEPA filters in my room, the one I have is rated for 4x the size of the room but by itself it's not good enough. You shouldn't think that keeping humidity low and lots of airflow is good enough, if it's in your area you will get it without putting other preventative practices in place.

Spring for me is one of the worst times when the snow is melting and ground is thawing. It's been guaranteed to show up in spring here, even with spraying if I have any phenos going that are susceptible to it. So for the last 4 weeks I tried adding a new device and so far I haven't seen any signs and I haven't sprayed any of the plants in my flower room, this is looking very promising, I should have seen some in my room by now as I have a run of seeds going and I doubt every single pheno is immune (maybe but unlikely).

The unit is an air cleaner but using UVC technology vs. filters like the HEPA style air cleaners. It's also rated for about 4x my room size, but the air is sucked into the unit where it passes through an internal chamber bombarded by UVC. For me the $100 I paid for it is peanuts if this thing can keep PM out of the room and so far so good. This is the first time since I found PM in my area that I have some hope that there's a solution without the f'n spraying and constant monitoring. Keeping fingers crossed but based on the time of year, running 9x new plants from seed (~ 4 phenos) and none of them showing any signs of PM, it's looking very good. Here's the unit, I'm sure there are others out there but this one was the only one available locally in CAD and had replacement bulbs readily available locally. The unit ships with a spare bulb and they recommend to change them out every 6 months, they cost peanuts compared to HEPA filters so if this proves to work consistently it's a very good option if not the best option for scrubbing the air if your area is infested with it. Of course maintaining your environment like RH down, lots of airflow etc. is important but I've seen it regardless of those factors being in place. Cheers.

View attachment 3633419

Click to expand...

Hey bud, can we get an update on how that Germ Guardian UV-C air cleaner is working out for you? I've tried everything short of Eagle20 but the PM always comes back around week 4 of flower for me, I almost never see it through veg... I would be happy to spend $100 for something if it actually cleaned the air

GuyLeDuche said:

Hey bud, can we get an update on how that Germ Guardian UV-C air cleaner is working out for you? I've tried everything short of Eagle20 but the PM always comes back around week 4 of flower for me, I almost never see it through veg... I would be happy to spend $100 for something if it actually cleaned the air

Click to expand...

Hey, not good at least in my room. I think the issue with these is I have constant air exchange and they're not big enough to handle it.

What I have tried and is working is I cleared the room and did a sulfur burn for about 2 hours. Will be doing it between rounds when I only have one set of plants in there, take them out, burn and re-load. That happens every 4 weeks or so and seems to be keeping it under control. Sulfur kind of freaked me out as far as getting it on the plants themselves so I take them out to burn, spray them with a mix of baking soda/oil/soap mix (before going into 12/12) and throw them in after the burn. It seems to be keeping it out. I did see some in a veg tent with a couple of phenos that seemed to be very susceptible to it but after spraying and flipping them to flower I haven't seen it back.

The other thing that is likely helping manage it is I've been running a dehumidifier during lights out to keep the RH under 60% and temps up. Between the two methods it's under control.

GroErr said:

Hey, not good at least in my room. I think the issue with these is I have constant air exchange and they're not big enough to handle it.

What I have tried and is working is I cleared the room and did a sulfur burn for about 2 hours. Will be doing it between rounds when I only have one set of plants in there, take them out, burn and re-load. That happens every 4 weeks or so and seems to be keeping it under control. Sulfur kind of freaked me out as far as getting it on the plants themselves so I take them out to burn, spray them with a mix of baking soda/oil/soap mix (before going into 12/12) and throw them in after the burn. It seems to be keeping it out. I did see some in a veg tent with a couple of phenos that seemed to be very susceptible to it but after spraying and flipping them to flower I haven't seen it back.

The other thing that is likely helping manage it is I've been running a dehumidifier during lights out to keep the RH under 60% and temps up. Between the two methods it's under control.

Click to expand...

Thanks, kinda what I was afraid of... the tech takes time and we move air way too fast, makes sense. Still doesn't rule out a UVC wand though? I keep hearing about the cleanlight but at $240 for the hobby version, I've been hesitant to pull the trigger. If it for sure worked with a few minutes a day of passes I would say it would be worth it... and of course they sell a $20 version on Amazon, but would that really work for this?

I've thought about sulphur, but the grow is the room next to where I sleep and there is a very sensitive nose in the house so it's been on the "last resort" list so far lol.

GuyLeDuche said:

Thanks, kinda what I was afraid of... the tech takes time and we move air way too fast, makes sense. Still doesn't rule out a UVC wand though? I keep hearing about the cleanlight but at $240 for the hobby version, I've been hesitant to pull the trigger. If it for sure worked with a few minutes a day of passes I would say it would be worth it... and of course they sell a $20 version on Amazon, but would that really work for this?

I've thought about sulphur, but the grow is the room next to where I sleep and there is a very sensitive nose in the house so it's been on the "last resort" list so far lol.

Click to expand...

Yeah, too much air exchange unlikely to do much with those air cleaners. That wand would probably work, I just usually have too many plants to be doing them individually.

The sulfur stinks for sure but never gets into the house, I have it partitioned off in a cold cellar with two doors getting to it. Definitely have to have a well sealed room for it. The smell dissipates in 2-3 days after a burn but sounds like it's not an option, rotten eggs smell in your bedroom would not be good

GroErr said:

Hey, not good at least in my room. I think the issue with these is I have constant air exchange and they're not big enough to handle it.

What I have tried and is working is I cleared the room and did a sulfur burn for about 2 hours. Will be doing it between rounds when I only have one set of plants in there, take them out, burn and re-load. That happens every 4 weeks or so and seems to be keeping it under control. Sulfur kind of freaked me out as far as getting it on the plants themselves so I take them out to burn, spray them with a mix of baking soda/oil/soap mix (before going into 12/12) and throw them in after the burn. It seems to be keeping it out. I did see some in a veg tent with a couple of phenos that seemed to be very susceptible to it but after spraying and flipping them to flower I haven't seen it back.

The other thing that is likely helping manage it is I've been running a dehumidifier during lights out to keep the RH under 60% and temps up. Between the two methods it's under control.

Click to expand...

Excellent! I'd suggest exchanging the baking soda for Green Cure, which is potassium bicarbonate. Same mode of action, but the ladies like the foliar application of potassium much better than sodium, which isn't a nutrient.

I'm gonna do between round sulfur burns and see how it does for me, thanks for the reminder!

ttystikk said:

Excellent! I'd suggest exchanging the baking soda for Green Cure, which is potassium bicarbonate. Same mode of action, but the ladies like the foliar application of potassium much better than sodium, which isn't a nutrient.

I'm gonna do between round sulfur burns and see how it does for me, thanks for the reminder!

Click to expand...

Might try that Green Cure, problem with spraying budding plants with the baking soda is it can burn the hairs if you're not careful. Too much in the mix and they'll burn, or too much light on them so I've been taking them out and drying them off before putting them back under the lights if I spray in flowering. I try and do it once before flowering and about 1/2 way through flowering.

The sulfur seems to be working well, kills any in the room and every surface, and is keeping it that way for several weeks.

I have to spray my outdoor every couple of weeks, it's really bad here outdoor, most bushes end up white by end of summer. I spray them after sundown and they're dry by the time the sun comes up again.

OH HAY GUYS GUESS WHAT
New house, roommates are not psychopaths. Growing as a team, which should make us super successful. I failed at trying to grow and work 50 hour weeks at the same time, but now the roommates all have opposite schedules, so there's pretty much always gonna be someone here. I didn't even build the tent, which is good, I lack any carpentry skills. it's about 4 feet by 8 feet and probably about 6'6" tall. Less height than I really like, but we'll just have to train the ladies well. Low ceilings in this 1920's basement. tarped off the closet and gonna use that for veg as soon as the flower tent is full. Starting from scratch, Got a few random S1s from a friend, it was a pineapple pheno, but I'mma be hitting up TGA's rep tomorrow or the next day for some real fire. Wish I could get more starbud though! Really happy to be doing this all from scratch, with all I learned my last few tries, and the motivation for proper upkeep, I see no reason I should be plagued by the earlier problems like PM, heat, space, humidity, and generally not being a drunk and doing proper upkeep. It'll also help that it's in a basement, not a garage like my last roommate insisted on. I also have way too much equipment so it's gonna be an easy setup to get dialed in, I have two 6 inch vortex s-lines, 2 six in boosters, an 8 inch hyper fan, two carbon filters (buying a 3rd and then using the oldest as a room scrubber), 2 rw-75s, 2 w90s, 2 LECs, 2 t5 fixtures, and tons of miscellaneous.

For the first round, since we have nothing in flower we're gonna veg in the flower tent. The general idea is to mainline to keep 'em low and use the cuts to start veg and keep some moms. Gonna have both the LECs and all 4 area 51 LEDs in there to start, then eventually find or build some new COB LEDs once it's vegging time, and move the RW-75s to veg and put the new nice shit into the flower tent. We're probably gonna use the boosters for intake and exhaust in the veg closet, the vortexes for in/out in flower, and the hyper fan on the scrubber.
The roommate built the tent like a pro, I can do chin ups in it with no motion at all. It's waterproof just in case, the tarp going on the floor is just a cover. I picked up a window well cover which is cool, obscure's the yuppie neighbor's view a little bit. The landlord is very up front about the fact that the last tenants grew and he doesn't care.

Anybody have any TGA favorites I should be looking at? I know jillybean is on our list, all the roommates but me love it, I just don't like the taste. Querkle is on my list if they have it, but I know it's a slow veg with low yield. Yield isn't too important to me, I'm looking for that weed you show off to people. Frost and taste is paramount.
Also feeding recommendations? I've always just used the biocanna line, which definitely worked, but there may be something cheaper and better. There's a local company called mammoth that apparently makes good shit, and a friend of ours works for them, I'd love to incorporate their "mammoth P"

Hey buddy, long time no see! I know exactly where to find your Star Bud and Jillybean clones, drop me a line sometime.

Glad to see you're rocking a new setup and everyone's on the team!

Glad to see you got yourself settled into an MJ friendly spot Borbor, good luck with the new gig

Hell yeah!

Back again, that house had a carbon monoxide leak going mostly into the grow room and my bedroom. I moved out after 9 months.

Waiting on two replacement corner pieces to my tent and some jelly pie beans from greenpoint seeds, then I'm going all out again!

Man did you find the Starbud clone or cut again? Was looking for that and found you