Blue Mountain Organics

shannonball

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we've been using this product line for over four years now and fine it works great. simple to use and never any leaf burn. we've modified our feeding schedule somewhat from what we started with. we now lightly feed every time we water using a very diluted mixture of 1/8-1/4 strength. we get incredible grow and harvest from this technique.

here's a write up my husband got from the owner of BMO.

Here are some general use guidelines which may be helpful:

The best way to use our products is in rotation. Water, feed, water, feed, (foliar feed as necessary), on separate days, in a continuous cycle. All of our liquid products can be mixed together in the same gallon of water, with no loss in performance. With the separations in NPK values, you can tune your fertilizer mix, to the values that best suit your particular plant(s). We recommend that you mix each liquid product as per the label on the bottle.

The Super Plant Tonic should be used from seedling stage until 3/4 of the way through the total growth period for short season plants (plants with a total life of 6 months or less). For trees or shrubs it can be used throughout the year, provided soil temperatures are above 40 degrees. You mix it as per the label, giving each plant one quart per gallon of soil volume (1 gallon maximum for in ground plants). Then it's best to wait two days, to allow the microorganisms to establish a stable population, before feeding (this applies only to the first time you use the SPT). After that, it can be used weekly and directly mixed in with the other products if you desire.

The Grow It Green is used during initial vegetative growth. Use weekly, giving each plant one quart of mixed up GIG, per gallon of soil for container plants. Example: 2 gallon pots would receive 2 quarts of mixed up GIG per week. If your plants are in the ground, 1/2 gallon (for light feeding plants) to 1 gallon per week for heavier feeding plants). Then just prior to fruit / nut / vegetable / or flower production, reduce the mixing strength of GIG to 1/2 the bottle recommended mixing strength and add the Flower Power at 1/2 the bottle recommended mixing strength. Then slowly reduce the mixing strength of the GIG, while increasing the mixing strength of the FP. The decreases and increases should be done in teaspoon sized measurements ( 5 ml).

The Foliar Harmony can be used during vegetative growth and during fruit / nut / vegetable or flower production. During vegetative growth, we recommend foliar application every two weeks. During flowering, foliar application during the first few weeks only, works best. FH can also be mixed in with FP (instead of or in conjunction with the GIG), during the fruit / nut / vegetable or flower production phase of growth, to increase nitrogen levels to ensure plants finish at their peak (staying green slightly longer, to increase yield). If you do use the FH as a Foliar Feed during the later half of flowering, please rinse foliage with room temperature water, twice over a two day period prior to harvest. This is best done early in the morning or late in the evening, with temperatures are cooler. Or prior to lights on, if growing indoors. Both the tops and bottoms of the leaves need to be rinsed until a good runoff occurs.

These are general guidelines for using our products, some plants, like corn and tomatoes, which are heavy feeders, can be fed twice the label recommended amounts, after the second week of vegetative growth. The best (safest) way to determine the proper feeding levels for your particular plants is to start at 1/2 the label recommended feeding strength, for the first feeding. Then slowly increase the mixing strengths of our products, with each feeding (in teaspoon increments). This helps avoid nutrient burning of foliage, which can slow down plant production. Some people also try feeding most of their plants at 1/2 the label recommended mixing strength, then feed two plants at the bottle recommended mixing strength, the first feeding. If the plants being fed the stronger mixing strength show no signs of nutrient burn, then you know it's safe to increase the mixing strength for the others, at next feeding. However, if the two plants being fed the stronger mixing strength, do show signs of nutrient burn, you have only affected two plants rather than your whole crop. You would then simply skip the next feeding of the nutrient burned plants and give them only water on the next feeding day. After that, they would then receive the same mixing strength as the larger group on the next scheduled feeding day.

If you use a PH meter to check your mixed up fertilizer solution, all of our products work best in the range of 5.5 to 7.2 5 to 6 for hydroponics, 6 to 7.2 for soil.

A TDS / EC meter used to determine ppm or EC, will be of little use with our products. The NPK in each is bound differently than the highly conductive commercial chemical based fertilizers. Use of that meter will not reflect the true NPK value of your mixed up fertilizer solution, since organic fertilizers are less conductive, because of the way the NPK is bound in longer carbon and hydrogen chains. Organic fertilizers also lack, PH stabilizers, dyes and the high mineral salt content of the chemical based fertilizers, which is why organic fertilizers are much healthier for both your plants and you.

Our only recommendations about the water you add our products to are: that is should be chlorine free (for best results) and have a ppm reading of less than 180 ppm. Above that level, mineral elements in hard water tend to cause other minerals in the fertilizers to drop out of solution, rending them less effective.

I hope this information is helpful. If you have any other questions, please feel free to email us. We will do our best to answer them promptly.

Thank You. Signed. - Bill Nelson, Owner of Blue Mtn Organics
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Pattahabi

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Looks like another unneeded and overpriced bottle to me...

Super Plant Tonic - Artesian Spring Water, Worm Castings, Mycorrhizal Fungi, Coral Calcium, Unsulphured (Blackstrap) Molasses, and Humic Acid derived from Oak Leaf & Peat Compost.

Build a good soil and none of this needed. The problem is companies can't make enough money selling soil, and so they revert to selling you these expensive little bottles that are much cheaper to produce, easier to ship, and have a much higher profit margin.


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shannonball

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all four bottles for $23.63. i would not call that overpriced. they don't manufacture or sell soil. Plant tonic by itself is 7.65. i would not call that overpriced either. Most people don't make or know how to make their own soil.

 

cannakis

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all four bottles for $23.63. i would not call that overpriced. they don't manufacture or sell soil. Plant tonic by itself is 7.65. i would not call that overpriced either. Most people don't make or know how to make their own soil.
yes exactly, i agree, or have the time to or money to spend off bat creating their own soil. I mean I spent probably close to $200 or more Just on soil and that's only for One year...! When I would buy BMO like only 3x a year, which is a Lot cheaper than dishing out Even $100 at first.

BMO makes the best fertilizers/nutrients in my honest opinion, and especially for beginners andeven just those who don't have the time or money to make soil or their own nutes.
BMO is Definitely worth it, hands down some of the best bud I have had was with Blue Mountain Organics. And I may use their nutes just as extra amendment.. but I don't know yet, I will say after getting into my own soil it does make me just want to go back.

But onto newer horizons.!
 

cannakis

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The problem is companies can't make enough money selling soil, and so they revert to selling you these expensive little bottles that are much cheaper to produce, easier to ship, and have a much higher profit margin.


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Free Market at its finest.! I mean wouldn't it be foolish to waste your time and money for no profit? Don't get me wrong I Am, and especially used to be an Idealist and would love to just Give Everything I have away, but that's definitely not logical and only a way of faithfulness that THE LORD will provide with all that was given away, which Can and Is done, but even my Brothers and Sisters who Serve JESUS CHRIST like this going where the Wind Blows living off whatever THE LORD provides, the Food and Clothing and Shelter still Has to be Produced. And to Produce it takes Time, Energy, and Money and if Someone else is going to profit and more than likely is a greedy selfish Person, then why not Profit yourself so you can Produce more and Hence Provide more.!

I understand what you are saying, but Blue Mountain Organics is Not Monsanto, and I believe they are Good Honest People trying to produce and provide Good Quality products that Promote Life, rather than the culture of death and All the products of Death which Monsanto and All the mega conglomerates produce and sell to you for... Oh so cheap right? Wrong they profit Billions and ALSO get free money from the feds oh yeah which is Your money, through subsidies, and also don't pay nearly Any taxes!. Look up GE they don't pay a damn tax! But anyways, And I mean aren't You profiting in some manner whether bud or money, are you not profiting and trying to increase profit margins and raise quality, and provide a product for people, Who More than likely do Not want to grow, but just smoke.? Just because some of Us want to make everything ourselves doesn't mean everyone does, ike they used to... Thank GOD we are All.Individuals and we live in TheUnited States of America under the Constitution and Bill of Rights.!
 

shannonball

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i agree. makes the smoothest smoke. no flushing, 100% organics. not a bunch of products to buy and figure out when and how much. this stuff is easy and works wonders. can't see paying what chemical based ferts cost and the fact they are toxic and not organic. we're about good smoking buds with clean non-harsh taste.
 

cannakis

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i agree. makes the smoothest smoke. no flushing, 100% organics. not a bunch of products to buy and figure out when and how much. this stuff is easy and works wonders. can't see paying what chemical based ferts cost and the fact they are toxic and not organic. we're about good smoking buds with clean non-harsh taste.
Haha yes Mam.! Honestly I was doing 12/12 from seed and usedall the nutrients together at once, no problem and actually better with that schedule, though I would separate the green and bloom on reg veg grows though.
 

shannonball

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Sounds like you both need a Bottles Anonymous intervention. Read this:

http://rollitup.org/t/recycled-organic-living-soil-rols-and-no-till-thread.636057/

I made up my soil, I will use it for YEARS. You don't need these silly products. Need some nutrients? Bubble a little kelp and pour it on your plant.

The only thing Americans truly fear is inconvenience.

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thats great you make your own soil, good for you. So you don't use any other products through the grow cycle? especially silly ones. Nice! However, this was about soil mixtures and whether or not your make your own.

the topic of discussion is about. its using BMO products for growing.

If we had time to do our own soil we would but with work, two kids and a very busy life its difficult to find the time. we use FFOF and happy frog for soil. After three weeks i start using BMO products. the super thrive is just something that contains Artesian Spring Water, Worm Castings, Mycorrhizal Fungi, Azomite, Unsulphured (Blackstrap) Molasses, Endo and Ecto Bacteria, and Humic Acid.

BTW, i'm not some 18 year old kid, we've been doing this since 1976 sobetween my husband and I we have a little experience in what we're doing.

maybe you need an attitude intervention. or read the topic and stop mouthing off. Isn't it time for you to do your homework or something?
 

Pattahabi

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thats great you make your own soil, good for you. So you don't use any other products through the grow cycle? especially silly ones. Nice! However, this was about soil mixtures and whether or not your make your own.

the topic of discussion is about. its using BMO products for growing.

If we had time to do our own soil we would but with work, two kids and a very busy life its difficult to find the time. we use FFOF and happy frog for soil. After three weeks i start using BMO products. the super thrive is just something that contains Artesian Spring Water, Worm Castings, Mycorrhizal Fungi, Azomite, Unsulphured (Blackstrap) Molasses, Endo and Ecto Bacteria, and Humic Acid.

BTW, i'm not some 18 year old kid, we've been doing this since 1976 sobetween my husband and I we have a little experience in what we're doing.

maybe you need an attitude intervention. or read the topic and stop mouthing off. Isn't it time for you to do your homework or something?
I've done my homework, that's why you don't see the bottles in my organic grow. If want to grow organics, it starts with the soil, not a fertilizer line.

I'll tell you like I tell others, just because you have been doing something for a long time, doesn't necessarily mean you're good at it.

Sounds to me more like you have a stake in this company and are trying to promote them. Let's take a closer look at those ingredients:

Artesian Spring Water (ok, water?), Worm Castings (in water lol), Mycorrhizal Fungi (needs to be applied at transplant on the roots which 99% of people are already doing), Azomite (montmorillite - so some clay), Unsulphured (Blackstrap) Molasses (umm... ok?), Endo and Ecto Bacteria (Which ones specifically are these?), and Humic Acid (I hope this isn't leonardite or lignite).

You have a picture of a naked lady on your avatar, and you're implying I'm immature? LOL!

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shannonball

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I've done my homework, that's why you don't see the bottles in my organic grow. If want to grow organics, it starts with the soil, not a fertilizer line.

I'll tell you like I tell others, just because you have been doing something for a long time, doesn't necessarily mean you're good at it.

Sounds to me more like you have a stake in this company and are trying to promote them. Let's take a closer look at those ingredients:

Artesian Spring Water (ok, water?), Worm Castings (in water lol), Mycorrhizal Fungi (needs to be applied at transplant on the roots which 99% of people are already doing), Azomite (montmorillite - so some clay), Unsulphured (Blackstrap) Molasses (umm... ok?), Endo and Ecto Bacteria (Which ones specifically are these?), and Humic Acid (I hope this isn't leonardite or lignite).

You have a picture of a naked lady on your avatar, and you're implying I'm immature? LOL!

P-
the tonic is just one thing we use along with the grow it green and flower power.

Yes, we know it starts with the soil. and i never said it didn't, now did i? what's your fucking problem dude? i was just sharing what we use in our grows. you come in and start a bunch of shit about it.

I have no stake in this company. we're very good at it and have no complaints from anyone who try's our bud.

i'm ending this go no-where conversation.

Yes, that is me in the avatar whether you believe me or not i could care less.
 

st0wandgrow

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thats great you make your own soil, good for you. So you don't use any other products through the grow cycle? especially silly ones. Nice! However, this was about soil mixtures and whether or not your make your own.

the topic of discussion is about. its using BMO products for growing.

If we had time to do our own soil we would but with work, two kids and a very busy life its difficult to find the time. we use FFOF and happy frog for soil. After three weeks i start using BMO products. the super thrive is just something that contains Artesian Spring Water, Worm Castings, Mycorrhizal Fungi, Azomite, Unsulphured (Blackstrap) Molasses, Endo and Ecto Bacteria, and Humic Acid.

BTW, i'm not some 18 year old kid, we've been doing this since 1976 sobetween my husband and I we have a little experience in what we're doing.

maybe you need an attitude intervention. or read the topic and stop mouthing off. Isn't it time for you to do your homework or something?
I try to resist the temptation to tell others what to do.... so I won't. I will say though that having a job and a couple kids is not an impediment to building a soil. I have 3 kids under the age of 12, Im self employed, and I have a marijuana garden that I handle on my own for myself and 3 patients. I find the time to put together a soil, so Im confident that you could too. I will admit that the first couple batches you attempt can be a daunting task, but once you get the hang of it you can bang it out in a hurry. If you decide to try it Id be happy to save you some time and give you a hand. I'm sure that Pat and others would be happy to help too.

Having said that, P is right. While those bottles *are* reasonably priced, I have to question just how effective they really are. The benefit of worm castings comes from the microbial life that they bring to the soil. The microbes that we're interested in cannot survive sitting in a bottle of liquid on a shelf. As P pointed out, the mycorrhizal fungi need to be applied directly to the root zone so that they can attach themselves to the roots and begin mining for nutrients and minerals. The other ingredients are either unnecessary, or can be picked up for very cheap at most any garden supply store or feed shop. I suspect the results you were seeing had more to do with the Ocean Forest that you were using as opposed to the bottled products.

Also, FWIW, Ocean Forest uses synthetic urea and is therefor not considered "organic".


I've done my homework, that's why you don't see the bottles in my organic grow. If want to grow organics, it starts with the soil, not a fertilizer line.

I'll tell you like I tell others, just because you have been doing something for a long time, doesn't necessarily mean you're good at it.

Sounds to me more like you have a stake in this company and are trying to promote them. Let's take a closer look at those ingredients:

Artesian Spring Water (ok, water?), Worm Castings (in water lol), Mycorrhizal Fungi (needs to be applied at transplant on the roots which 99% of people are already doing), Azomite (montmorillite - so some clay), Unsulphured (Blackstrap) Molasses (umm... ok?), Endo and Ecto Bacteria (Which ones specifically are these?), and Humic Acid (I hope this isn't leonardite or lignite).

You have a picture of a naked lady on your avatar, and you're implying I'm immature? LOL!

P-
Spot on. Great info
 

shannonball

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st0wandgrow thanks much better tone than P. we didn't know they used synthetic urea. we'll look at some recipes for the spring and see what we can do going forward.
thanks for the kind response.
 

cannakis

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both of you spot and p have Great words and advice about this subject. haha but shit got real! i will say it worked good, but I Am now creating my own soil, because i felt something was missing... but they are good nutrjents
 

OneStonedPony

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I've been using BMO's line for the past few years, and I always get great results with it. Plain and simple, it works, it's made from good stuff, and it's affordable. If you live in an apartment like me, you don't have a place to keep all the ingredients for the DIY thing.

I did get these folks that hate on other growers, who use bottle nutes and supps.

FYI, I logged onto ebay a few minutes ago, and BMO has their 4 bottle combo pack for $ 5 off the regular price. Who else has a well made 4 bottle deal out there for $ 21 plus shipping.

http://stores.ebay.com/Blue-Mountain-Organics
 
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