Biodynamics?

SSGrower

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i had to google search that word ha.
i would just soak up whatever scripted tour they have planned. maybe ask about classes? like a weekend crash course maybe. that's what id be into doing. maybe take notes and such lol
Demeter Biodynamic Farm Standard
including:

  • Livestock integration
  • Vegetative cover/ reduction of tillage
  • Green manures/ cover crops
  • Biodynamic preparations
  • Crop rotation
  • Composting carbon waste streams
My timing is so good they just had a week end crash course last weekend.
Notes for sure, video and pics if they'll let me. No fewer that 3 things on your list I hadn't thought about, but being that they are a raw dairy coop, offer "produce boxes", beekeeping, orchard, inrernships and a whole host of community involvement, I'm gonna have to go back more than onece.
 

freemanjack

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It's 'Pagan' and I'll join you!

Having been to college and taken some chemistry, I'm not afraid of dry nutrient salts.

I'm also intrigued by aquaponics as a way to sidestep industrial fertilizer production altogether.
Vermiculture is a LOT easier AND it deals with all your cabbage and stalk disposal issues AND the little feckers hoof out a ton of CO while they are at it! Ran a 1000 plant grow on a few hundred ml of agro-nukes per month tops! everything else was taken care of by our worms. Happy little chaps they were too! Tho I'm sure worms ain't supposed to be able to jump 2" in the air if startled! Must be gettin parra offa all dat herb. Btw, I use a system I prefer to refer to as 'bio-energetic' where the voltages in the plant stem can be read directly and soil conditions measured directly for effectiveness. google 'freemanjack - electro-biology' :cool:
 

iHearAll

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Vermiculture is a LOT easier AND it deals with all your cabbage and stalk disposal issues AND the little feckers hoof out a ton of CO while they are at it! Ran a 1000 plant grow on a few hundred ml of agro-nukes per month tops! everything else was taken care of by our worms. Happy little chaps they were too! Tho I'm sure worms ain't supposed to be able to jump 2" in the air if startled! Must be gettin parra offa all dat herb. Btw, I use a system I prefer to refer to as 'bio-energetic' where the voltages in the plant stem can be read directly and soil conditions measured directly for effectiveness. google 'freemanjack - electro-biology' :cool:
you're adding a DC current to your soil? or you can just measure a voltage between the plant and soil?
 

freemanjack

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you're adding a DC current to your soil? or you can just measure a voltage between the plant and soil?
You can measure the voltage between the soil and plant with any basic multi-meter, best not to leave it connected tho, the plants tend to suffer from the meter acting as a 'short circuit', standard milli-volt readings would be in the 100-250mV range, roughly a quarter of a volt dc, when you add compost tea I have seen this spike at around 800mV and if you air seal the plant you can see the readings respond when you allow fresh air in. If nothing else, a fascinating experiment. I used it to dial in my ventilation and feeding regimes, simply going by high readings = good, low readings = bad. Also worth pointing out NPK's are all immensely ionic and carry the same positive charge as the exudates of microbes etc.
There were some experiments at the turn of the last century using high voltage as an 'ion source' but their results were both inconclusive and hugely controversial. Personally I would like to repeat their experiments with my hypothesis to refine their experiments slightly, I kinda stopped experimenting after my system was dialed in some years ago.
this chap supports some of my findings but is one of only 2 serious academics even approaching the subject;
http://www.bio.ic.ac.uk/research/agold/goldsworthy.htm
 

iHearAll

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You can measure the voltage between the soil and plant with any basic multi-meter, best not to leave it connected tho, the plants tend to suffer from the meter acting as a 'short circuit', standard milli-volt readings would be in the 100-250mV range, roughly a quarter of a volt dc, when you add compost tea I have seen this spike at around 800mV and if you air seal the plant you can see the readings respond when you allow fresh air in. If nothing else, a fascinating experiment. I used it to dial in my ventilation and feeding regimes, simply going by high readings = good, low readings = bad. Also worth pointing out NPK's are all immensely ionic and carry the same positive charge as the exudates of microbes etc.
There were some experiments at the turn of the last century using high voltage as an 'ion source' but their results were both inconclusive and hugely controversial. Personally I would like to repeat their experiments with my hypothesis to refine their experiments slightly, I kinda stopped experimenting after my system was dialed in some years ago.
this chap supports some of my findings but is one of only 2 serious academics even approaching the subject;
http://www.bio.ic.ac.uk/research/agold/goldsworthy.htm
right on. does anyone experiment with induced current? like from induction? idk a pulsed square wave in a solenoid. i may try something like that but i feel like itd only makes sense if it were a solar charged capacitor or something and a dual op amp square wave, maybe triangle. maybe wont make a difference.
have you heard of cosmic induction? it's a form of high powered RF waves plasmatizing gasses. funny thing is "to me" it looks like new roots. the circuitry is from tesla himself later in life. just an improved wireless transmitter really
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in reality, i would not be terribly surprised if we can eventually grow ripe plants in a few seconds.
 

freemanjack

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right on. does anyone experiment with induced current? like from induction? idk a pulsed square wave in a solenoid. i may try something like that but i feel like itd only makes sense if it were a solar charged capacitor or something and a dual op amp square wave, maybe triangle. maybe wont make a difference.
have you heard of cosmic induction? it's a form of high powered RF waves plasmatizing gasses. funny thing is "to me" it looks like new roots. the circuitry is from tesla himself later in life. just an improved wireless transmitter really
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in reality, i would not be terribly surprised if we can eventually grow ripe plants in a few seconds.
BINGO!!! Yer a sharp mofo innit? plants ARE frozen plasma, however it appears to be a very delicately balanced dynamic system, I suggest all but impossible to fully synthetically duplicate or artificially augment beyond the innate capacity of each natural system. you could try utoob fer 'electricity the universe and EVERYTHING animated', was me an a very good mate who has closely followed my work for years taking this subject apart live on air last new yrs eve, were both a bit 420'd so it makes for entertaining listening. The 'animated' version has a load of video added to help visualise the concepts.
 

iHearAll

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BINGO!!! Yer a sharp mofo innit? plants ARE frozen plasma, however it appears to be a very delicately balanced dynamic system, I suggest all but impossible to fully synthetically duplicate or artificially augment beyond the innate capacity of each natural system. you could try utoob fer 'electricity the universe and EVERYTHING animated', was me an a very good mate who has closely followed my work for years taking this subject apart live on air last new yrs eve, were both a bit 420'd so it makes for entertaining listening. The 'animated' version has a load of video added to help visualise the concepts.
by utoob you mean youtube? ha. im about to see if utoob is real

edit: it is not. ok ill give it a listen while i do some work tonight
 

freemanjack

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right on. does anyone experiment with induced current? like from induction? idk a pulsed square wave in a solenoid. i may try something like that but i feel like itd only makes sense if it were a solar charged capacitor or something and a dual op amp square wave, maybe triangle. maybe wont make a difference.
have you heard of cosmic induction? it's a form of high powered RF waves plasmatizing gasses. funny thing is "to me" it looks like new roots. the circuitry is from tesla himself later in life. just an improved wireless transmitter really
.View attachment 3809795 View attachment 3809796

in reality, i would not be terribly surprised if we can eventually grow ripe plants in a few seconds.
Another little quickie video compilation for you, featuring incredible high speed photography of 'red sprites and blue streamers' recently discovered high atmospheric lightning events. Tell me that ain't trees in a wood??
 

SSGrower

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Told y'all shit was gonna get interisting.

Electric current makes total sence as there is a flow of ions, this is the basis for electronic ph meters for soil.

@freemanjack are you saying there must be a minimal "natural" influence and a completely synthetic process would be lacking? Lacking a soul perhaps?
 

SSGrower

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So I actually spoke with the rancher I visited about this in a way. He was talking about where they gathered yarrow for the bd preps and how they were tryin to avoid any artificial or man made energies. I am of the belief there are limitations and sometimes those limits can be pushed but to what end or resulting unintended conciquence idk.
 

freemanjack

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Told y'all shit was gonna get interisting.

Electric current makes total sence as there is a flow of ions, this is the basis for electronic ph meters for soil.

@freemanjack are you saying there must be a minimal "natural" influence and a completely synthetic process would be lacking? Lacking a soul perhaps?
Shit's gonna get real weird more like! freemanjack has entered the building! in answer to your question about synthetic replication of biological systems, no I am not referring to the 'soul' it is simply that the complexity of the natural processes are such that merely replacing the source of charge potential (microbial life in the soil) with a simple battery (N++ P++ K++) entirely disregards the 'system' in all its myriad complexity.
My soil @ 300 - 1000x magnification;
VS;
http://www.britelite-hydroponics-uk.com/images/productimages/Canna-AquaFlores-A+B-5L.jpg
NUFF SED!
 

freemanjack

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So I actually spoke with the rancher I visited about this in a way. He was talking about where they gathered yarrow for the bd preps and how they were tryin to avoid any artificial or man made energies. I am of the belief there are limitations and sometimes those limits can be pushed but to what end or resulting unintended conciquence idk.
This is the other slightly more complex part of the biological equation, atmospheric/planetary standing charges. Almost impossible to meaningfully measure and estimates vary wildly, but my best meta on all the results is between 500Kv and 10Mv standing charge at all times between the ionosphere and the earth, it is established fact that atmospheric charge is approximately 150v per meter so the standing potential between you head and feet is around 300vdc at all times, the explanation of why we never notice is due to the absence of current (electron flow) and because we are earthed at most times so the charge bends around us without effect. Now factor this for lets say a giant redwood, the earth is an anode, the universe a cathode, google 'sapphire project' for some academics making some quite astounding findings that could lead to the remodelling of the sun as an electric arc plasma with no solid core, meaning the planets are not held in orbit by the mass of the sun, instead by its electric charge, a force of nature 36 (? don't quote me!) orders of magnitude greater than gravity! But yes, things like underground pipes and overhead wires will directly interfere with this natural energy path. There is only ONE force in the universe and it is the electromagnetic force.
 

iHearAll

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Shit's gonna get real weird more like! freemanjack has entered the building! in answer to your question about synthetic replication of biological systems, no I am not referring to the 'soul' it is simply that the complexity of the natural processes are such that merely replacing the source of charge potential (microbial life in the soil) with a simple battery (N++ P++ K++) entirely disregards the 'system' in all its myriad complexity.
My soil @ 300 - 1000x magnification;
VS;
http://www.britelite-hydroponics-uk.com/images/productimages/Canna-AquaFlores-A+B-5L.jpg
NUFF SED!
what kind of microscope do you use? the res is nice. i found some 2000x usb chinese models for 15-45$ i assume theyre crap though.
 

freemanjack

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what kind of microscope do you use? the res is nice. i found some 2000x usb chinese models for 15-45$ i assume theyre crap though.
It is a cheapo chinese one and its pretty crappy, a ton of useless footage on the cutting room floor but just one of the 100 buck versions, in reflection 2-300x is ample for everything in those shots except some of the nematodes which are in the 100 micron size, notice the water at this scale, is more like jello than a liquid, again an electrical property, google; prof Gerald Pollack, 4th state of water.
 

freemanjack

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So, I've introduced the idea of electro-biology, I have shown some of my exotic atmospheric plasma vids, I've shown that soil is far more biology than mineral and all the energy to drive that biology comes from somewhere, well, heres the last part of the full model, electro-meteorology;
Heavy weather!
 
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