Big Bud from Seed 2nd try

So the first time a few weeks ago was a great learning experience, even being as short as it was. Out of 4 seeds that germ'ed I only have one that made it. Although, "made it" is still up for grabs. I had some super hard water and high PH. Clones I was trying to grow had some really bad burn, and the seedlings were no different.

Round two.
Switched to bottled water, perfect ph and a ppm of like 80. Results have been great. The last standing seedling form the 1st try is still green, but doesn't appear to be growing either. Still going to keep that one trying.

I germ'ed two new Big Bud seeds this past weekend, and they're not standing straight up. I noticed a little root burn last time too so this time I covered the top of the rock wool in order to prevent burning the roots under the lights.

My two bushes actually lasted through the old water issues, and I've now taken 3 clones from them in order to try my had at growing clones (no better time to learn then now). It's only been almost a week, but so far so good.

Any positive comments welcome. This is technically still my first grow and first time doing everything (growing clones in the closet about to switch to 12/12 on the 1st, and from seed and cutting and maintaining new clones). I have the first clone I tried which is all but dead, shes actually starting to get green back through some leaves, thinking about trying to see if I can bring her back from the dead, maybe give her a home outside if she makes it.

The latest pictures were taken this morning. the cubes get a 10 second soak in water 3 times a day when their very light and dry. the seeds are only getting about 10ml of water those 3 times a day as their cubes don't get as dry as the clones. 3 20 something watt CFL are what I'm using until I get roots through the wool, then they'll go under a 400 HPS. I may switch the big buds to soil and make them mothers if things work out.

Not much difference in a day, I decided to snap a few of Betty and Wilma. I just tied down some more branches down on Wilma and figured I'd show them off. They're almost 4 weeks from clone, should grow to be pretty big. Just by chance, #420 is Betty (right side in #421), and #419 is Wilma.

Hope my parents don't find them.


Oh wait, I pay mortgage, and am doing it legally, I guess I don't have to worry about that

Took a few snaps this morning.

The closet was switched to 12/12. The close up shots are more so I can compare later. The quality is that of a cell phone cam as that is all i have.

I have a string hanging off my light set to 10" (400watt HPS) and have the temp measures there to make sure I'm getting good reads.

I'll get some pictures of the clones and seed tonight. Again, if you see something you want to comment on, be positive, this is my first grow.

Just another update. Had some rock wool issues with two sprouts, so I switched them to soil. The lady wants to grow some in soil and "let them tell her what they wan, without any other advice". Have one left in the rock wool, and some clones still draining their leaves.

another day another post.

The sprouts that were moved to soil are really taking off. The one that was started the same time as the one in rock wool is making the rock wool one looks pathetic. I may switch the last sprout to soil as I was only planning on making them mothers anyway.

I'm not too confident in the clones though. again, these are just tests to see if I can manage to get them to root, but not sure if they're working.

Also included some 5th day of flowering pics.

I know, this is more turning into more pictures about the mystery strain I have growing in the closet.

I do have the big bud seedling pictures too though.

The busher seedling is from the first try, the other two are from the same time (like two weeks later). I'm not sure if the littlest one is going to make it. It hasn't taken off in the soil as the other one did. Moving them from rock wool seems to have been a good choice, and I'll likely just keep them as mothers and clone them out (if I can figure out the cloning process, I think it may have been my cuts).

You can see my clones are not doing well either. I was trying to make sure I wasn't over watering, since new people usually over water, and think I may have been under watering them. I'm going to soak some new cubes tonight, and tomorrow take apart the cubes the clones are in and see how the roots are doing. I may have also put too much powder on them, preventing water from getting in.

Anyway I guess I'll see. The closet grow is pretty much on auto pilot. I pinched a bunch of stems yesterday and snipped a few fan leaves off in order to make some bud sites get more light this morning. I pretty much give them 1.5 gal (total not each) per day with every other one 50% recommended nutes (GENERAL HYDROPONICS). So they're getting about 1/4 the total recommended. They seem to be liking it. The pictures suck, but the bush is really really green. there are only two plants in the closet under a 400 HPS. They've been 12/12 for 9 days so far.

So I made some changes to my veg area, bought some more lights, and made everything more manageable.

I also tossed the first effort on cloning and took some more. I have a feeling this batch may have one or two that make it, but I do know some things I still need to change. Just trying different options now, as I don't NEED clones at the moment, but needed to trim some branches off, so why not trim and try. As you can see in some of the pictures, cloning in soil is not working too well for me already. I have two more clones in rockwool, and 8 clones in my perlite wick system box. I'll get some pictures of that this week. (and find the link tot he post that I got the info for it, if it works. It's more then likely my technique when cutting then the way I'm doing it afterwards. I'm going to get a lesson or two from a green thumb I know that is VERY good at cloning all types of plants soon.

My hydro grow is 14 days into flower in the pictures. I do still have some branches I think I need to trim, but being my first grow, I'm going slowly to make sure I don't trim to much. And to set a baseline for future grows.

The seedlings are really taking to the soil. The one that was burnt really bad from the 1st attempt is finally showing new growth. And the feminized bigbud seedlings from the 1st post above are really taking off. I have some bigger pots I might be moving them to some time this week or next.

Last week I also planted 2 Mazar/Afgan seeds I had, hopefully at least 1 comes out fem. they sprouted through the soil this weekend.

i saw somewhere that clones need alot of Humidity (need a Humidity Dome)
your doing good so far man keep it up.ill keep an eye on this thread cuz i have some babys in rockwool (4 of them)

Hey my first comment, thanks man!

I have heard humidity helps too, but I've also read a lot of reports that people do well without it. So I figured I'd try without a few times. I already have the clones for my next grow being handled for me, so I still have plenty of time to keep testing different options. I'll likely just be giving away most clones that get successful anyway. I'd like to keep one from my current grow in case the strain is good, but not a dire need for it.

No closet pictures today, but I did have to move the light up a little this morning. I also did a little pruning, and will likely do a little more this evening.

I transfered the two biggest BigBud plants into their future homes. Since they were just past the two week mark, I figured why not. They got their first fox farm nutes last night, and this am seem to be doing just fine. The one crippled sprout is still showing new growth, so I'm still thinking it'll pull through.

The Mazar/Afghan pictures are horrible but you can at least tell they're starting to take off. They're getting a little stretched so I'll be moving them higher tonight so they're closer to the lights.

The clones are still too early to tell. You can kinda see in the background that the perlite box has a few clones that need trimming, but even most of those ones still look mostly healthy.

No pictures today, most things look the same as before. The closet grow is bigger, but still only seeing white hairs, no buds forming yet. I'll be going through some picture threads to make sure it's looking like it should today.

I did make https://www.rollitup.org/do-yourself/103903-best-diy-ez-walmart-dwc.html in order to try another angle for cloning, the perlite box didnt seem to be working, but it could have been the way I was cutting. I made sure to use a razor blade this time and hoping I have some root growth soon. I may need to splice a timer into the water pump in order to ensure proper feeding.

I'll get some pictures for posting tomorrow.

*Warning: Crappy Cell Phone Cam Pictures*

Flush the closet this Sunday and give new nute's. This morning they seem to be enjoying it very much.

The clones seem to be doing much better then that last batch I tried. Nothing like trial and error. the clones in the bubble cloner seem to be doing well as well. Since the clones are more for testing out procedure and what not, I'll probably tear into the rock wool later this week if I dont see roots popping out by then. Its easier to check on the bubbler machine, so I should be seeing those root in the next few days.

The Big Bud babies are taking off. I'll likely top them later this week and try to clone the tops. The one badly burnt one is still showing new growth, just really small new growth. Hopefully she pulls through.

The MxA sprouts are also healthy, a little stretched but healthy.

Good luck Visine! I'll be keeping an eye on this one

So last night I gave the soil babies their FF nutes. They seem to be enjoying them. The BigBud plants have a small issue on their leaves, I'm thinking it might be because I started them in MG soil, and it's releasing now, but it's not bad yet so not too concerned. the little bitty bigbud is still growing, she's hopefully going to make it. The close ups of the one big bud are to show where I FIM'ed her (before & after shots).

The MxA seedlings are healthy too. They're likely going to get transferred over to the lady this weekend and be given natural light from in the kitchen, as she wants to see how they'll do without all the "special" stuff.

The closet grow is 24 days into flower. The 400w HPS is 4" to 10" from all of the main parts of the plant. It's about 5ft tall now, maybe a little shy of 5ft. It was hard to fit the entire plant int he frame with the light being where it is now. All pictures of the closet grow have been from sitting on a table just out side of the closet, so the angles are pretty similar to compare against.

Both set of clones seem to be doing well, just no roots yet. Some were taking after the planet went into flower, some were not, so I'm just going to sit tight and see if I have root growth by this weekend, before adjusting anything.

I germinated about 8 bag seed seeds, and one seed form some apparently really good stuff. We'll see how those take off. I'm thinking about putting together a little green house out back, and letting my 2 100lbs pitbulls earn their keep by protecting them (electric fences keep them in the yard so no body is going to be able to get them to leave the yard).

Thanks for the update!

I'd think twice before putting a greenhouse out back. Even with 2 dogs it's very risky! Law enforcement often don't follow the same rules with shed's and such as they do with houses.

Very good point.

I'm doing it legal but a low profile is a good point. I just want to put at least one outside and try to just let it take off on its own. It would be nice to have one big fat tree going outside, and with my security team I wouldn't have to worry much about someone jacking it (they don't trust too many people, and the ones they do trust, so do I).

Closet grow got a little flush and new rez Sunday before the Charger game. They seem to be doing better and better. I'm slowly taking away one hours light per cycle trying to move their light cycle to 7pm to 7am. Trying to use less peak time wattage (power bill got a bigger hit then expected). The top colas are about eye level and I'm 6'. I did train them so there are a few colas that high. as this is the start of day 30 in flower, the buds are just now starting to fill out. I'd get a bud porn shot but cell cam sucks.

The 2 Mazar x Afghan are no longer in the picture sets, the lady has taken over them and is trying her hand.

The Big Bud are doing well. One is getting LST'd, while I let the other just grow naturally. The LST one is showing some signs, that look to my like, the MG I used in the original cup has burned them. I've included some pictures of the burn marks. Confirmation would be great!

I do have some seeds growing that are from "some really good shit" as I'm told. I figured I'd grow them up and if I could, maybe I'll cross breed the "really good shit" with big bud. And try to get "a lot of really good shit" . But that's just a secondary plan. I am seeing some roots from my bubble clones so when I take some cuttings from the bigger big bud plants they should be good to go.

The oldest one (that was burned badly int he first try) has been transplanted and is now showing better growth every day. I made sure to remove as much MG as possible, without disturbing the roots. It's taking off since the transplant so it must have worked.

*addition - just for my reference
12-Aug Big Bud Sprouts - "Runt"
28-Aug 2nd Big Bud pair sprouts - "Bendy" & "Str8"
4-Sep Moved Bendy & Str8 to soil
9-Sep Moved Runt to soil
15-Sep MxA twins sprouted
16-Sep Bendy & Str8 transferred to FF 3 gal pots
21-Sep Started LSTing Bendy, sprouted "RGS" and "Mexi"
28-Sep Runt transferred to FF pot, MxA now live in kitchen

Runt, Bendy, & Str8 are still growing strong! The closet grow is starting to finally show some good buds, hopefully they'll fill out soon. I was out of town most of the week last week. Wed. before I left all my plants got a full recommended dosage of nutes, instead of the norm of half. The lady gave them all plain RO water on Friday, then when I was back in town on Sunday they all got another full strength dosage.

I adjusted the tie downs on Bendy on Sunday. I'm trying to fill out the pot as much as possible in order to maximize growth. Bendy is responding well to the training, and Str8 is growing well. The distance between nodes is small on all of the big bud plants, even Runt as good distance even though she doesn't have much. They're not showing any new burns, so I'm hoping I have the issue under control.

I'm going to be upgrading to a 250 MH soon. I was thinking about a 150, but I'm near 150 watts with the CFL and tubes now, if I plan on vegging much longer I think the 150 would just be too little. I can get a 250wt for only $15 more, so why not. I'm told the MH bulb will cause the under growth to pop really nicely.

I'm also thinking about installing some CFL's for the under growth on the closet grow. I'm getting a lot of bud spots and leaves dieing down there, maybe with some CFL's down there it will fill out better. I was also finally able to move the light up higher in the closet. The top layer has been showing signs of a little too hot for a while, they should be good for a few days any way. As my light is going higher, the temp is also increasing, I can't seem to get it back down. It might be because of the light, but it also could be that the weather is cooling, so my A/C isn't on as much. The room usually got colder then the rest of the house, and the closet fan sucked that cold air in. We're having a heat wave this week, so I should be able to see if it drops back down to 80.

Cheers at the plants. Im growing the exact samething. Trying to get the clones to root though. I gotta say its the toughest obstacle so far.

Took some pictures last night (forgot to grab some of the closet this morning though).

The two Dixie cups are "RGS" and "Mexi". It looks like I may be waiting a little too long in between waterings for the little ones. They always look a little droopy and then perk right up the next morning. I won't be cloning these ones, I'm just going to put them right into flowering when the new room is set up (more on that below). Since the seeds were given to me, I figure I might as well just grow them out. If the "RGS" turns out to be a male, I think I'm going to relocate him to out side. Then let him flower outside, and bag some pollen off of him and pollinate a branch or two from one of the big buds and try to get some seeds of the cross breed.

Runt seems to be really liking the green pot. She is sitting directly under a tube (touching it actually, as its not even hot to the touch). She has great spacing between the nodes, and should do pretty well once she's tossed into 12/12.

Str8 and Bendy are also doing well. Some of their bigger leaves keep getting a little too close to the CFL's and are burning a little, but it doesn't appear to be too much of an issue.

I took clones from all 3 of the BB. The smallest clone (taken from Runt's topping) didn't make it. I wasn't confident in it making it, because the stem was so short, but wanted to top and figured I'd try to clone the topping. The 2 smaller clones are from Str8 and the bigger clone is from Bendy. The Bendy clone was taken on Oct. 7th and the other clones were taken on Oct 11th. Bendy clone already has a 1/4 inch root, the others have the nubs but none have shot out yet. They all went flat for a few days, but as you can see, they're all back up and perky.

I also still have the test clones from my closet grow. I had one go completely yellow, but the green is working its way back. I had to take them out of the bubble cloner in order to make room for the more important BB clones. These are now living in the perlite cloner, and after checking on them last night, they're expanding their roots, so they should be just fine in the perlite. They're going to a bro's house as soon as he buys the nutes to maintain the DWC box we made.

I'm expanding the op and creating a 5x4 space in my office this weekend. I'll be purchasing a 1000w HPS for this new space, and the 400w that is currently in the closet will be converted to a MH bulb, and used for Veg. I'm going to be browsing CL for a used system for the new space, but hoping to configure it to produce close to a lb every two months. We'll see if it pans out.