Beyond Urgent - nute and water puzzle-unsolved mystery-help me-win a hooker

Hi Friends, I've been hatin it with my new problem. i had a regular operation that produced successful yields. i used GH 3 part floro that I've used for years. Suddenly, one run, after changing solution to the bloom ratio, my plants exhibited signs of Mg deficiency but i had cal mag going. I flushed, changed, and saw improvement but when I upped the nute PPM to 70% of normal they locked out again basically killing my crop. I can run GH on a one, one, one part ratio but when i throw them into bud, They die! This happened in two mediums. First was Cocoa and perlite medium, Then I used a floating root, water table that I know works good and got the same results. i switched to GH Flora nova 1 part and it did the same thing. I'm now trying Pura Vida nitrients with a RO filter i just purchased. I never liked organic stuff and Pura Vida is not impressing me the way some of it's dark brown slime elements love to cling to the roots. i thihk I've eliminated GH as bad and figure an evil elf is poisoning the supply or there is an unseen undetected element in the water. THe water analasys seemed OK, My sodium/NA was at 9.60 mg/l. One person said it was bad. i don't know. The calcium is only at 9.8 ppm. my ph comes out at 7.4 and the ppm out of the tap is only 80 ppm. There is no evidence of excessive compounds in the water. My water temps are 68 to 74. The ph is around 6.0. The plants are now all yellow because i can't give them any nutes without locking out. The pics are the beggining of the lock out. You don't want to see current pics. Believe me.



I have an unseen enemy and have been without a harvest for 3 runs now. No scientist can seeem to find my problem. I've consulted GH. The Pura vida guy and all the grow shop guys in town. No one has an answer. If you can help me I'll buy you a hooker.

Maybe the temps in your grow room are too high? I have never used GH's three part or the pure vida so I can't really help you out first hand. What lighting are you using and what are the temps like? Could you have spilled nutes on the leaves? It seems like you have experience and have asked a lot of people with good knowledge on the subject. I hope some people with some more info on hydro and these nutrients find this thread and can give you the help you need

Cool thanks. True on experience. i should be here helping others. It's not temps they are consistent at 68 to 75 and all leafs are the same no spillage.

beensoup said:

Hi Friends, I've been hatin it with my new problem. i had a regular operation that produced successful yields. i used GH 3 part floro that I've used for years. Suddenly, one run, after changing solution to the bloom ratio, my plants exhibited signs of Mg deficiency but i had cal mag going. I flushed, changed, and saw improvement but when I upped the nute PPM to 70% of normal they locked out again basically killing my crop. I can run GH on a one, one, one part ratio but when i throw them into bud, They die! This happened in two mediums. First was Cocoa and perlite medium, Then I used a floating root, water table that I know works good and got the same results. i switched to GH Flora nova 1 part and it did the same thing. I'm now trying Pura Vida nitrients with a RO filter i just purchased. I never liked organic stuff and Pura Vida is not impressing me the way some of it's dark brown slime elements love to cling to the roots. i thihk I've eliminated GH as bad and figure an evil elf is poisoning the supply or there is an unseen undetected element in the water. THe water analasys seemed OK, My sodium/NA was at 9.60 mg/l. One person said it was bad. i don't know. The calcium is only at 9.8 ppm. my ph comes out at 7.4 and the ppm out of the tap is only 80 ppm. There is no evidence of excessive compounds in the water. My water temps are 68 to 74. The ph is around 6.0. The plants are now all yellow because i can't give them any nutes without locking out. The pics are the beggining of the lock out. You don't want to see current pics. Believe me.



I have an unseen enemy and have been without a harvest for 3 runs now. No scientist can seeem to find my problem. I've consulted GH. The Pura vida guy and all the grow shop guys in town. No one has an answer. If you can help me I'll buy you a hooker.

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Well I can't do much with a hooker, but I'd know what to do with an 1/8 .

You have way more experience than I do as far as growing goes, but I have used GH products with my grows (5 under my belt, 1 hydro and 4 soil and switched to Advanced). There was always big issue at flower time, salt build up. I never thought it was the product until my last grow, trial and error ya know. Your plants are displaying the same look that mine would get at this stage of the plant's life.

I think that salts can really mess with the plant's ability to utilize the nutrients causing a lack of some nutes and an overdose of others all at the same time.
Do you see any white substance on your medium?

HOpe this helps you out. Good luck

i had the same problem about 4 weeks into flower im am using regular tap water with 234 ppm and ducth master gold for nutes under a 1000 watter hps the only thing that stoped the problem for me was a flushed for two days and and cleaned my res then i added my nutes agian at a lower dose put my ph 5.8 and contuined then the problem stoped proggesing btw im growing in a ebb and flow in rw cubes in filled wit hydrton if i was you i would flush my system 1 a week with fresh water then give it a new bacth of nutes until harvest thats the only way it works for me i feel your pain when it first started happieng to me it royally pissed me off hope this helps

beensoup said:

If you can help me I'll buy you a hooker.

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Hookers are rented, Never EVER buy a hooker

Excellent thinking. I'm not alone. Misery loves company. I'll try more flushing. The babes are using water but leaving the nutes behind. my water goes down and the ppm goes way up(after 20 gals water. ppm went from 350 to 500 in 2 days) I guess it's good that water is traveling thru the plant. Now how do I feed it Semore?. THis is with the new RO filtered water and Pura Vida. Since its not taking the pura vida in its roots I may as well just give the 5.8 ph water with trace of something. I think I'll get that clearex stuff too. What the hell is up with H2O2 being outlawed in my state. I had no warning of this! Gotta love the goverenment.

Ah , wise people are hiding everywhere. I guess we don't want hookers but for the moment. After that It could get real bad if you can't get rid of her. What's the resale value on a purchased hooker anyway?

Did you use any cleaning solutions when flushing? I'm wondering if my roots are like clogged or something and I think I wanna clean em.

What kind of source water do you have? Do you know if you get water from a surface treatment facility? Just a fleeting thought, run off in the spring mixes alot of diff source water together, maybe check your alkalinity which differs from ph. You can call your local water company and say your setting up a water softner and pick their brains. Water can become very acetic while maintaining a proper ph till runoff goes back to normal.

Probably not treated but did probably change at some point. I'm looking into conspiracy theories. Ever since Obama was elected It's been bad! I live semi rural near mountains. No treatment plant that i know of. Logic has it that it's the water but we didn't see anything on the analysis but a sodium of 9.6 mg/l. I don't yet know whAT THAT MEANS.. Right now I'm trying to recover and I don't really know that my problem is solved with the new RO filter. In theaory it should work. The leafs are perky but yellowing viciously. The color is receding towards the bud and I will plukem before they get there, AGAIN! I think the N is being transfered. I read somewhere it does that. I was thinking about giving them a higher N mix. Kindalate for it but what the fluk! Thanks for thinking about mine.

beensoup said:

Ah , wise people are hiding everywhere. I guess we don't want hookers but for the moment. After that It could get real bad if you can't get rid of her. What's the resale value on a purchased hooker anyway?

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Very Low, Ever try to sell a used Kia?

Ro will solve your water problems, good systems can remove flouride ion. mg/l is just another way of saying parts per million. Have a good one.

I like to hear that the ro will work. I really need a good run. Next time! Fluoride is 0.1. I still feel i wanted to give this mix with new RO water and the new gunky organic Pura Vida( I hate organics) a few more days. The green is not returning. the leafs are still slowly yellowing. I want to give it N somehow but they don't eat their food at 350 ppm. I have the nutes back down to 100 ppm temporarily. I want to see the plants eat something so I'm starving them. I had to add something so i added epson salt for Mg. I looked at the cal-mag jug and it had N so I gave it a trace of that. Next I'm going to pee in it. Luckely everytime I go out there the water trickling makes me want to pee. Anybody have magigal ideas that would help me get the roots active again? The plants just seem like they want to live but are being malnurished because the roots are locking out. I read pee is an instant source for N. Never mind what it may smell like.
What if one bought a hooker and couldn't resell her and she wet the bed every night? What do you do? WHat do you do?

Oh ya, The system maxes out at 700 ppm so 350 is half strength.

I won't even get in a used KIA. Likewise with a used hooker.

beensoup said:

I won't even get in a used KIA. Likewise with a used hooker.

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All hookers are used.

no i didnt use any clearing solution how far along into flower are you when you flush your olants check the parts per millon they should go up rellay high after a cycle or two then you know if it goes up plants using more water thebn nutes so just mix a low low dose and check your ppm and if they keep going up all you can do is just top of with water and bring it back down but rember plants start to yellow after 5 weeks of flowering

I was on a ten day flush cycle but more with this problem. Plants don't yellow like this. Ah piss on it. Actually I think I will. I need instant N and I heard urine is the quicky way to get N to plants. Is my urine organic? I suppose that even a new hooker has been thoroughly test driven

beensoup said:

It's not temps they are consistent at 68 to 75.

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well yes it is temps.! 75 is no good. i would say 70 is about the limit. anything above that, and you'll start having problems. you are talking about rez temps.?