Beware of Fox Farm Ocean Forest Soil

KillsPlants

Active Member
About 2 years ago Fox Farms exhausted their original material source for their Ocean Forest product. Since then they have been having a lot of issues with their quality control. We have been, and still are, seeing some bags with very low pH, some as low as 4.5 right out of the bag. Since autos generally like a pH in the 6.3 - 6.5 range, this can obviously pose issues. The most common one is nutrient lockout. At this chart illustrates, various elements are best available to the plant at certain pH ranges. If the pH is out of range the plant will be unable to properly utilize the available nutrients.



Nutrient lockout can be identified by the changes in appearance it causes in the leaves. Small rust colored spots in conjunction with a browning at the tips and along the sides of the leaves are good indicators. There may also be a redish/purple discoloration on the main stalk or leaf stems in severe cases.

(photo to come)

In order to prevent have these issues it is highly recommended that you test the pH of the Ocean Forest before planting. The best way to do the pH test is by using a Control Wizard Accurate 8 soil probe. Take about a half gallon of the soil and place it in a pot or container with drainage holes at the bottom. Wet the soil with plain water pH balanced at 6.5 and let it sit over night. Clean the probe on the Accurate 8 and insert it into the soil. Let the reading stabilize for about 5 minutes. You now know the pH of your soil. If you don't own an Accurate 8, you can use a liquid pH tester like those made by Hanna, Oakton and others. Again fill a pot with some soil and add enough water, again pHed to 6.5, to the pot so that some runs out the bottom of the pot. Capture that run off water and use your digital tester to get a reading. Chances are the pH will be low.

In order to correct the low pH you will need to add dolomite, or as it's sometimes called, garden lime, to the mix. The rate will vary from 1 to 2 tablespoons per gallon of soil mixture depending on how low the pH is. Dolomite is slow acting and will take about 2 weeks to raise the pH. So this testing should be done far enough in advance so that your pH has risen to the proper level before planting your seeds. This will save you a lot of headaches later on in your grow. It's much easier to address the low pH before you start rather than trying to nurse a sick plant back to health.

Control Wizard Accurate 8 soil probe: http://www.horticulturesource.com/control-wizard-control-wizard-accurate-ph-8-p3015/

Hanna Combo Digital pH/TDS/PPM meter: http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/hanna-ph-ec-tds-c-ppm-tester-hi98129-p-437.html

When buying a Digital pH meter, don't forget the cleaning, storage and calibration solutions. All digital meters should be calibrated before use and periodically afterward. The cleaning and storage solutions will greatly extend the live of the glass electrodes that these meters contain.

-muddy OP
 

Warrioreuel

Active Member
Yup. I no longer use FF Ocean Forest. The last 20 bags i bought all were half bark filler. I actually made a strainer from hardware cloth i was so mad. I should have taken pictures. Half the bag was filler bark. If i wanted crap like that i would just go to Home Depot. Now I use Sunshine LA4. Its plain jane with no added crap. So far i see no difference in my yields. Just need to pay a little more attention with nutrients, no biggie.
I called FF and their comment was they check there manufacturing line several times a day to make sure its correct. The guy would neither confirm or deny adding bark. He just kept saying they check their line continuously to make sure the product is in compliance. No more wasted money on FF anything. I am done with their entire line.
 

Smokenpassout

Well-Known Member
Damn skippy. I dont use ocean forest anymore. The last 3 bags were lots of big wood chips, and other filler crap. I have been using happy frog for now, as there is less stuff in it. I am looking into other ready made soils like roots organic as well. Any suggestions for good soils With the proper PH that I dont have to add anything to besides maybe some perlite?
 

mike4c4

Well-Known Member
About 2 years ago Fox Farms exhausted their original material source for their Ocean Forest product. Since then they have been having a lot of issues with their quality control. We have been, and still are, seeing some bags with very low pH, some as low as 4.5 right out of the bag. Since autos generally like a pH in the 6.3 - 6.5 range, this can obviously pose issues. The most common one is nutrient lockout. At this chart illustrates, various elements are best available to the plant at certain pH ranges. If the pH is out of range the plant will be unable to properly utilize the available nutrients.



Nutrient lockout can be identified by the changes in appearance it causes in the leaves. Small rust colored spots in conjunction with a browning at the tips and along the sides of the leaves are good indicators. There may also be a redish/purple discoloration on the main stalk or leaf stems in severe cases.

(photo to come)

In order to prevent have these issues it is highly recommended that you test the pH of the Ocean Forest before planting. The best way to do the pH test is by using a Control Wizard Accurate 8 soil probe. Take about a half gallon of the soil and place it in a pot or container with drainage holes at the bottom. Wet the soil with plain water pH balanced at 6.5 and let it sit over night. Clean the probe on the Accurate 8 and insert it into the soil. Let the reading stabilize for about 5 minutes. You now know the pH of your soil. If you don't own an Accurate 8, you can use a liquid pH tester like those made by Hanna, Oakton and others. Again fill a pot with some soil and add enough water, again pHed to 6.5, to the pot so that some runs out the bottom of the pot. Capture that run off water and use your digital tester to get a reading. Chances are the pH will be low.

In order to correct the low pH you will need to add dolomite, or as it's sometimes called, garden lime, to the mix. The rate will vary from 1 to 2 tablespoons per gallon of soil mixture depending on how low the pH is. Dolomite is slow acting and will take about 2 weeks to raise the pH. So this testing should be done far enough in advance so that your pH has risen to the proper level before planting your seeds. This will save you a lot of headaches later on in your grow. It's much easier to address the low pH before you start rather than trying to nurse a sick plant back to health.

Control Wizard Accurate 8 soil probe: http://www.horticulturesource.com/control-wizard-control-wizard-accurate-ph-8-p3015/

Hanna Combo Digital pH/TDS/PPM meter: http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/hanna-ph-ec-tds-c-ppm-tester-hi98129-p-437.html

When buying a Digital pH meter, don't forget the cleaning, storage and calibration solutions. All digital meters should be calibrated before use and periodically afterward. The cleaning and storage solutions will greatly extend the live of the glass electrodes that these meters contain.

-muddy OP
Thanks Very good info, but one thing in your post. Dolomite lime and garden lime are two different things. dolomite lime is what you want to use it has a buffer in it that stabilizes the PH at 7 where garden lime does not and will raise the ph over 8.5. and should never be used in container growing.
 

DemonTrich

Well-Known Member
been using FFOF for 4+ years. used about 10 bags last up pot, and have 10 more sitting in my grow shop for tonights up pot. haven't found one single reason NOT to use this soil. my grows are always the same, EXCELLENT. I have also never checked run off ph. I see no need to. I ph all my water/feed to 6.4 +/-.1 and add 1 cup dolomite lime per bag of OF. always super healthy all thru harvest and always huge yields.
 

Dividedsky

Well-Known Member
I haven't used ocean forest in a while either. It was to hot for my liking. I use just promix now. If you were to use ocean forest I recommend mixing it with promix like 2 parts promix, 1 part ocean forest. Last time I used it I think I mixed 15gal of promix and 5 or 10 gals of ocean forest in a bucket and had good results in my 5gal pots.
If your not happy with ocean forest check out roots organic soil or m3 Michigan medical mix. I had good results with roots and a friend loves the m3. Be careful using those types of soils, you don't need to feed nutes because there's enough in the soil to carry you for 3-4 weeks. If you feed nutes to your plants after planting into fresh new ocean forest type soil you can burn the shit out of your plants, that's why I recommend mixing it with promix.
 
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