Best machine for concentrates that is not a fortune

chemphlegm said:

furthermore,
1) a Tamisium user would not be operating in a ghetto shed like these goofs.
2) A Tamisium user would not need to own or use a "Best Value Vac" chamber
3) A Tamisium user would not have a need for an electric hot plate stove top burner for extractions
4) A Tamisium user would not have toy swords sitting around his extraction area
5) A Tamisium user would have no need for an "open evaporation pan", like the one shown in the pic
6) A Tamisium user would have no need for a wire whisk

if someone cannot understand the benefits of a tamisium, they should be using a honey bee extractor anyways.

plus, can see what a blown up tami looks like here, maybe http://bfy.tw/92HB

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Can you support your assumptions with factual data?

Hair straightener

Fadedawg said:

Can you support your assumptions with factual data?

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I sure can friend!
but why would I do that when ===== "Too Long, Didnt Read"
anyone can go to their website and take the tutorial. learn to use the technology, learn why it works, learn why. its obvious.
I did it, I learned alot. It was factual data I learned, real life applications. I stand by every tami statement I've made.

is there a particular item thats buggin you, maybe I have a short answer for you

peace

resinhead said:

Hair straightener

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Certainly the cheapest way to extract quality concentrates.

BHO extraction and purging equipment costs mount up, and if you aren't in a position to do it safely and right, it would be best to avoid.

QWET will also produce a quality concentrate, with minimal set up costs, but still more expensive than a hair straightener.

chemphlegm said:

I sure can friend!
but why would I do that when ===== "Too Long, Didnt Read"
anyone can go to their website and take the tutorial. learn to use the technology, learn why it works, learn why. its obvious.
I did it, I learned alot. It was factual data I learned, real life applications. I stand by every tami statement I've made.

is there a particular item thats buggin you, maybe I have a short answer for you

peace

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We've run the Tamisium along with others, and didn't see the profound differences that you list.

This site is ostensibly dedicated to factual data, as opposed to spam.

What would make my day, is if you could actually list the reasons that the Tamisium out performs the others, and Tami owners are so squared away, instead of simply continuing to make those statements.

Don't feel picked on. I've had similar conversations with Tamisium's owner and their attorney, and they couldn't either. They make a nice product, that they charge a premium price for, but it can't do anything not easily duplicated by the competition.

You should find Indra and ask the father of this ridiculous tek what's the best

sure, there are others, I cant compare as I stated earlier, I have this model, not the others. I state facts from my experience.
I loaned it to a dispensary guy once and he said it sucked, took a whole day to recover. I showed him the one hour recovery and he smiled, then I showed him the directions, he was embarrased.

maybe tami doesnt compare to all others you've practiced using for 8 years, but it is the finest piece Ive ever seen.
no spam here. I dont work, for you, the site, or for tami two toes either, dont know the company or its owners.

its paramount that I be able to guarantee the total removal of solvent from extracts. the tami facilitates this cheaper and more safely than any other method I've seen, but I aint seen them all. although, 100% removal is 100% removal, for 1500 bucks, its a no brainer.

Fadedawg said:

We've run the Tamisium along with others, and didn't see the profound differences that you list.

This site is ostensibly dedicated to factual data, as opposed to spam.

What would make my day, is if you could actually list the reasons that the Tamisium out performs the others, and Tami owners are so squared away, instead of simply continuing to make those statements.

Don't feel picked on. I've had similar conversations with Tamisium's owner and their attorney, and they couldn't either. They make a nice product, that they charge a premium price for, but it can't do anything not easily duplicated by the competition.

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which part could be the "outperform criteria"? you speak of, maybe I can address my experience with each of your concerns, gladly FD
reclaim? purge? vacuum? clean up? return? ease of use? safety? failures? costs? cost to operate? heat requirements? 100% solvent reclaim?

i've known folks to love and hate on certain strains too, its all anecdotal often. too many factors to consider. I get loving on the tool you found to work best for you, or the strain, or type of woman, or car, etc. the honda owner will tell you of his awesome honda experiences, while another will talk of its fails. once we find our solution there is not often a reason to rethink aye.
tami for the win, because I use it with great success, thats all pretty simple to grasp Id say.

chemphlegm said:

which part could be the "outperform criteria"? you speak of, maybe I can address my experience with each of your concerns, gladly FD
reclaim? purge? vacuum? clean up? return? ease of use? safety? failures? costs? cost to operate? heat requirements? 100% solvent reclaim?

i've known folks to love and hate on certain strains too, its all anecdotal often. too many factors to consider. I get loving on the tool you found to work best for you, or the strain, or type of woman, or car, etc. the honda owner will tell you of his awesome honda experiences, while another will talk of its fails. once we find our solution there is not often a reason to rethink aye.
tami for the win, because I use it with great success, thats all pretty simple to grasp Id say.

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We all have opinions and the right to express them as opinions. Glad you found something you like! Us man childs would have killed each other off over the same woman, if tastes weren't different.

Things expressed as facts, require support that identifies them as such, or they are just opinions.

I liked the Tamisium fine too, but failed to get any higher performance, in any of the categories you listed, because they all operate under the same principles and there is nothing in the Tami design that inherently adds advantages.

If you can show an advantage in any category, here is the place to post the data.

To put things in perspective, not all the units available to the uninformed will meet ASME Section VIII standards. 6" and under are relative forgiving, requiring only 350 psi rating for the components.

Sanitary fittings all have far higher burst pressures, than the closures, so they are rated by what the end cap and clamp will hold. A 6" lower spool with a SSH clamp exceeds those ASME requirements.

When I certified systems larger than 6", I was required to use a certified ASME pressure vessel, which I had built and certified by an ASME certified manufacturer. It has a certification placard welded to the side.

One place where offering on the market are dangerous, is the use of a tubular sight glass in the system. Glass doesn't like sharp thermal gradients, and it is weakest under tension, which is the case with the pressure inside the glass tube. We went to a design putting the glass in compression, its strongest condition, which was rated at 730 psi.

Systems like Mr Extractor using a tubular sight glass as the extraction chamber, don't meet ASME and are an accident waiting to happen.

If an LPG system can't meet ASME, it is unlikely any insurance company will sell a manufacturer liability insurance, sooooo guess who is left holding the bag if there is a failure.

It also isn't cheap to have systems certified. It cost me over $10K to certify WolfWurx's Mk IVC/VC, but that included certification to NFPA-58, and International Fire Code.

I'm not here to sell the idea of the Tami, but I am here to respond to op's thread post. I've done so to ops satisfaction. bullies come in to only argue with my personal experience and offer no suggestions to op, I get the score. I posted my very relevant experience to op, and am sorry you have not had the same experience. I owe nothing more to you or op. You have come to your conclusion and I would not expect to convince you otherwise, nor do I care to.
I am looking to make oil or concentrates. I am willing to spend some money but not $50,000 for a machine.

I do not want to mash up weed by hand in a bowl with ethanol or dry ice like some peasant woman stomping grapes.

I just want to load up weed, close the door, press a few buttons and the cash tumbles out.

Any suggestions are appreciated."

hey, op, tami is the best damned unit I have every worked with, or watched working. Every statement made by the manufacturer has proven to be true for me. The ease of use, safety, and portability of the unit sold me. The fact I can re use the n tane over and over excites me. I've had no negative experiences since my learning curve, which took 2 runs. Its flawless operation over many years has convinced me it is the best unit I could have chosen. If someone says differently ask them to explain their experiences, as I've explained mine. good luck in your decision. $1500 bucks is all

I think you are reaching to call asking for you to support what you are presenting as gospel, rather than opinion, as bullying.

When trying to sway others opinion, what do you call someone that shows a picture of a disaster as evidence of someone using a system competitive to Tamisium, when there is no evidence in the picture that any closed loop system was used. At the very least, that is misleading.

What do you call that person when they give smart BS replies to straight questions, rather than straight answers? I suggest you go back and read your answers.

What do you call a person that tries to turn the subject to a personal attack of the messenger, when they find they can't support their position with factual data? That is who I call a bully.

The ball is in anyone's court than list factual data showing that the Tamisium can do things some of it's equally certified competitors can't.

If you come up with such a feature, do share it with Tamisium themselves, because they certainly haven't been able to to date, despite numerous discussions and opportunities with their owner.

you're right, I'm gonna throw it in the trash right now, go back to my honey bee until I can think of reasons why the tami is better than all the other closed loop systems that I have no experience with. how the hell would I know which is better, I own the best for me, Ididnt have to check out more, the first one worked very well, very well indeed. so well I recommended it to the op while trying to diffuse some poster wondering if I worked for tamisium. geesh. I dont give 2 shits about the competitors that I have no experience with ...get it? I can only speak about my own exp with the tami, a fine one at that.

chemphlegm said:

you're right, I'm gonna throw it in the trash right now, go back to my honey bee until I can think of reasons why the tami is better than all the other closed loop systems that I have no experience with. how the hell would I know which is better, I own the best for me, Ididnt have to check out more, the first one worked very well, very well indeed. so well I recommended it to the op while trying to diffuse some poster wondering if I worked for tamisium. geesh. I dont give 2 shits about the competitors that I have no experience with ...get it? I can only speak about my own exp with the tami, a fine one at that.

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Exactly my point and I rest my case. You favor the Tamisium, but haven't researched other systems enough to do more that offer your opinion and/or parrot what you've been told.

Fair enough. Thank you for clearing that up!

what makes you think I could offer anything else but my own experience with this fine unit and why would I do so? are you ill or something? of so l am sorry for not having patience with you.


yep, I offered op my opinion using my personal experience with the tami unit, yep thats it. takes you days to absorb this I muse. yep, I researched the other options and they lost to the tamisium. I chose the Tamisium. If it went missing, I'd replace it at once with the very same unit.
you are so very welcome, I am here to help

hope that helps, op

No I'm not ill, but that is another example of what I mean about attacks on the messenger. Clearly you are out of anything worthwhile to say and are grasping for straws. I rest my case on that point as well.

I went back and read what we both said, and suggest you do so as well.

chemphlegm said:

silly boy, tamisiums dont blow up, they're made of food grade fire proof stainless steel, they dont leak, they dont hiss, they use the same ntane over and over. no blasting, no evaporation, no worries. Tamisium for the Win !

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All man made stuff fails. How do I know. I work with metal including stainless. There is no way to guarantee it not to happen. No way. It is man made. You ever spend anytime actually building or repairing something you would know that. Could be a weak spot in any part. It happens.

No reason why anyone with a good head on their shoulders shouldn't build one.

How many of those units ar built a day at the factory? Quality control only requires batches to be tested. Imagine every part the order to build them. Every part batch tested.

Now if I build one I can inspect every part and know its right.

Did you even take the time to make sure all threaded parts are right and not cross threaded. Did you look at seams and welds for holes or gaps? Robotic welders are horrible for missing spots. You just went with it? Fill er up and get er done?

I don't know what else to say but good luck with that.

um, good luck with what?

i dont sell these, or stand behind them, or build them. I have no horse in the tami race. op wanted to know my experience with any extraction unit I've used. I shared that with him. blow up?? this unit has been used for many years. um yes, there is a whole set of protocols to assure safe operation. cross threaded? youre kidding right? filler up and get er done? yeah, ten yrs ago man....this thing has not had one issue since I've used it. it rocks. maybe others rock too, maybe even better, but how would I know. Ima not offering tutorials man, so.....? I used a tami a long time ago, loved it, got one, love it more every time its used. op wants to know about that kind of stuff.

I had the money but short on time to get the learnin necessary to weld stainless steel I guess.
some people roll their own cigs, others buy there's right, I win every time its used

Fadedawg said:

I rest my case on that point as well.

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Its about damned time man, go lay down, troll someone else. your next attack will embarrass you even more than you have been here. mess with the bull you get the horn.
you misunderstood the thread to say " Why wouldnt someone buy a tamisium?"

when actually it was "best machine for concentrates"

nobody has used EVERY machine, so each is welcome to share their best experience, which I did. you attacked my experience. I have no way to prove I dont use an evap pan, or a stove burner, or even if I keep toy swords in my area. op knows I speak the truth though, all that matters. why you give two chits, without even offering op a suggestion for a machine, YOUR best machine? is beyond me. troll away now

chemphlegm said:

Its about damned time man, go lay down, troll someone else. your next attack will embarrass you even more than you have been here. mess with the bull you get the horn.
you misunderstood the thread to say " Why wouldnt someone buy a tamisium?"

when actually it was "best machine for concentrates"

nobody has used EVERY machine, so each is welcome to share their best experience, which I did. you attacked my experience. I have no way to prove I dont use an evap pan, or a stove burner, or even if I keep toy swords in my area. op knows I speak the truth though, all that matters. why you give two chits, without even offering op a suggestion for a machine, YOUR best machine? is beyond me. troll away now

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I can see this whole discussion is beyond you brother, so I will rest my case on that as well. You not only don't get it, you appear incapable of getting it.