Bernie Sanders 2024

if Biden bows out?

While Shakir insisted his pushback against South Carolina was not “for a strategic intent of Bernie or anyone else,” he is not exactly a disinterested party. South Carolina turned the tide against Sanders in 2020 and Shakir in April penned a memo stating that Sanders had not ruled out another presidential run if Biden bows out. A South Carolina-first primary would not be ideal for a Sanders 2024 candidacy.

I'm not voting for anyone over the age of 55 ever again, for the rest of my life. For anything.

Bern-dog's ship has sailed IMO.

So glad you're all on board.

Oh look! Rural America loves Sanders.

schuylaar said:

So glad you're all on board.

Oh look! Rural America loves Sanders.

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please show me (without using a vid or something from his own site) that rural Californians and Texans love him, not just folks from his patch. My search for third-party confirmation failed.

CunningCanuk said:

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Meanie

If he runs I will back him, but I think his time is past. It's a shame as I think that brand of democrat works well in places they need to win...but it could also backfire horribly.

The democrat party he would be competing in for the primary is more conservative now than the previous times he lost. They picked up voters grossed out by trump, but those are still conservative folks and the democrats cannot afford to lose them. If anyone other than trump runs I think a good amount go back over anyways, he was just a bridge too far for many. For now though, the political climate is less favorable than ever for left candidates. It was a struggle to keep boring centrist 80 year old Joe Biden from being painted as far left antifa, it's an effective attack on a candidate that influences those swing voters.

I think they should push left at the state level where it's safe seats, prove some ideas, build support, etc., but I don't think bernie would do as well now as he did before.

HGCC said:

If he runs I will back him, but I think his time is past. It's a shame as I think that brand of democrat works well in places they need to win...but it could also backfire horribly.

The democrat party he would be competing in for the primary is more conservative now than the previous times he lost. They picked up voters grossed out by trump, but those are still conservative folks and the democrats cannot afford to lose them. If anyone other than trump runs I think a good amount go back over anyways, he was just a bridge too far for many. For now though, the political climate is less favorable than ever for left candidates. It was a struggle to keep boring centrist 80 year old Joe Biden from being painted as far left antifa, it's an effective attack on a candidate that influences those swing voters.

I think they should push left at the state level where it's safe seats, prove some ideas, build support, etc., but I don't think bernie would do as well now as he did before.

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part of the problem is when crypto-right like Manchin and Sinema are sold as centrists. Biden is a centrist.

cannabineer said:

part of the problem is when crypto-right like Manchin and Sinema are sold as centrists. Biden is a centrist.

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Manchin and Sinema lock on the Senate is over..Joe Manchin is no longer de facto Co-President with Warnock win and things just might loosen up.

HGCC said:

If he runs I will back him, but I think his time is past. It's a shame as I think that brand of democrat works well in places they need to win...but it could also backfire horribly.

The democrat party he would be competing in for the primary is more conservative now than the previous times he lost. They picked up voters grossed out by trump, but those are still conservative folks and the democrats cannot afford to lose them. If anyone other than trump runs I think a good amount go back over anyways, he was just a bridge too far for many. For now though, the political climate is less favorable than ever for left candidates. It was a struggle to keep boring centrist 80 year old Joe Biden from being painted as far left antifa, it's an effective attack on a candidate that influences those swing voters.

I think they should push left at the state level where it's safe seats, prove some ideas, build support, etc., but I don't think bernie would do as well now as he did before.

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RBG.

If we could have her back at 87, would we?

I pray to God that the Dems can come up with better candidates for 2024 than some washed up old senile career politicians.

PJ Diaz said:

I pray to God that the Dems can come up with better candidates for 2024 than some washed up old senile career politicians.

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I gotta say that is a calumny on Biden. He has performed.

cannabineer said:

I gotta say that is a calumny on Biden. He has performed.

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He's performed like a senile old man, who often doesn't seem to know where he is, but he has a strong staff to puppeteer him along.

I love Bernie, but no. The guy had a heart attack last time. Let him live out the rest of his days with his family. I can't handle using him as a chronically heart breaking metric of how sold out and meek the democrats are these days either.

schuylaar said:

Meanie

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It’s too soon. Maybe a run in 2032.

PJ Diaz said:

He's performed like a senile old man, who often doesn't seem to know where he is, but he has a strong staff to puppeteer him along.

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on this, we have a very different perspective.

PJ Diaz said:

He's performed like a senile old man, who often doesn't seem to know where he is, but he has a strong staff to puppeteer him along.

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Please share the source of your behind-the-scenes information about how the executive branch is being run.

If you go back 50 years...through the elections of Carter, Clinton, Obama & Biden, you can't find a true liberal among them. Moronic right wing talking heads are playing revisionist history to call any of those people anything but centrists.

Nor can you find any from those who lost like Gore (who almost won), Mondale, Dukakis, Hillary Clinton, etc.

The most liberal candidate on the last 50 years was George McGovern who lost 49 states in 1972.

The country as a whole has gone further to the right since Watergate via right wing talk radio and Rupert Murdoch's newspapers and TV stations, but that does not turn centrists into left wing extremists no matter what the fuck they say on those radio and TV nonstop lying prime time opinion shows that pretend they're news shows.

Now in that environment since 1975-1980ish, how is Bernie Sanders going to run against the firmly entrenched right wing media machine that now includes social media and foreign actors?

There's one thing about the right you have to admire and that's they have learned how to play the long game. 49 years to politicize and throw out Roe. It was originally a bipartisan 7- 2 decision. The constant push downward of the top tax rate while the deficit rises and the wealth gap widens.
The rise of the Federalist Society in 1982. The Reagan administration fast tracking Rupert Murdoch's citizenship because non citizens weren't allowed to own more that 10% of a TV station. The right's hatred of objective newscasters like Cronkite, Huntley and Brinkley, Reasoner, etc. and the major (and only) TV networks during and after Watergate that they have since obviously fixed by creating right wing news narratives to support their goals. They spent decades putting in place the system for a jerk like Trump to actually use that media machine to win.

And through all that it's time for Bernie to rise to power?
Really?
He'd have to run and win in swing states, he'd have to turn a red state or 2 blue for a cycle, he'd have to make liberalism magically become centrist and he'd have to have to popularity of FDR in 1932.

Good Luck with all that. He's a fine senator though.

tangerinegreen555 said:

If you go back 50 years...through the elections of Carter, Clinton, Obama & Biden, you can't find a true liberal among them. Moronic right wing talking heads are playing revisionist history to call any of those people anything but centrists.

Nor can you find any from those who lost like Gore (who almost won), Mondale, Dukakis, Hillary Clinton, etc.

The most liberal candidate on the last 50 years was George McGovern who lost 49 states in 1972.

The country as a whole has gone further to the right since Watergate via right wing talk radio and Rupert Murdoch's newspapers and TV stations, but that does not turn centrists into left wing extremists no matter what the fuck they say on those radio and TV nonstop lying prime time opinion shows that pretend they're news shows.

Now in that environment since 1975-1980ish, how is Bernie Sanders going to run against the firmly entrenched right wing media machine that now includes social media and foreign actors?

There's one thing about the right you have to admire and that's they have learned how to play the long game. 49 years to politicize and throw out Roe. It was originally a bipartisan 7- 2 decision. The constant push downward of the top tax rate while the deficit rises and the wealth gap widens.
The rise of the Federalist Society in 1982. The Reagan administration fast tracking Rupert Murdoch's citizenship because non citizens weren't allowed to own more that 10% of a TV station. The right's hatred of objective newscasters like Cronkite, Huntley and Brinkley, Reasoner, etc. and the major (and only) TV networks during and after Watergate that they have since obviously fixed by creating right wing news narratives to support their goals. They spent decades putting in place the system for a jerk like Trump to actually use that media machine to win.

And through all that it's time for Bernie to rise to power?
Really?
He'd have to run and win in swing states, he'd have to turn a red state or 2 blue for a cycle, he'd have to make liberalism magically become centrist and he'd have to have to popularity of FDR in 1932.

Good Luck with all that. He's a fine senator though.

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The great irony is that they took another look at the 2000 vote 5 different ways. In all five, Gore won.

He conceded too early.

We could have spared ourselves some military and economic heartbreak.

Bernie destroyed any chance of becoming president the day he labelled himself a socialist.