Basic noob questions

I want to start making extracts and cannot decide between bubble hash or bho. I plan to use mostly sugar leaf and popcorn bud. If making bubble, I plan to follow subcool's tutorial.

When comparing the two methods, some of the properties I'm interested in (in order of important to not important) are:
Yield
Potency - I believe bho is generally more pure and therefore just more potent gram for gram, unless you can make full melt clear dome?
Flavor
Complexity - Less is better
Learning Curve
Initial Investment
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Texture
Profitability

Some things that confuse me about bubble hash are:
What makes achieving full melt clear dome hard/difficult?

Can I vape it in a DBV or silver surfer?

Should the plant material be fresh, dried, or cured?

Some things that confuse me about BHO are:
The purging processes - I know what vacuum purging is; I know what winterizing is; but I don't know if you should do both? I also don't understand how heat is involved... how it effects texture and when to use heat and how much and what effect it has on purging.. but I suppose I can get into all of that. But the whole purging process is something I'm not picking up on, because I can't tell if there are several different methods, or just several different steps that are used in one or two purging methods... Don't really have to give me details right now, I can research... but main thing I want to know is how difficult is it to do, and how much shit to I have to buy.

Should the plant material be fresh, dried, or cured?

Thanks

Some things that confuse me about BHO are:
The purging processes - I know what vacuum purging is; I know what winterizing is; but I don't know if you should do both? you can but if your looking for profitability then dont winterize I also don't understand how heat is involved... how it effects texture and when to use heat and how much and what effect it has on purging.. but I suppose I can get into all of that. Heat can make or break your wax/oil. too much heat and you will have goo forever, too little heat and the oil wont be viscous enough for the butane to escape But the whole purging process is something I'm not picking up on, because I can't tell if there are several different methods, or just several different steps that are used in one or two purging methods... there are different ways yes more then 2. if you look at guzias thread where guzias vacpurge fadedawg and i have combined our methods and the only thing that varies between ours is how long were run out vacuum pumps Don't really have to give me details right now, I can research... but main thing I want to know is how difficult is it to do, and how much shit to I have to buy. its not hard we are all more then happy to help, and about 300 bucks -that would includ everything and thats not the diy price you can save a little bit by making the stuff yourself but i would just go ahead and buy it

Should the plant material be fresh, dried, or cured? dried to the bone is my personal opinion, i have access to fresh plants so my shit is bone dry but it has been off the plant 10 days



anymore questions just ask

i just saw on another post that you are not in a medical state, go with the bho. it appears also that you plan on trying to move some of it? the marketability of wax in non med-states is retarded its worth its weight in gold.... that is not an exaggeration

When comparing the two methods, some of the properties I'm interested in (in order of important to not important) are:
Yield - bho will yield a more desirable product
Potency - I believe bho is generally more pure and therefore just more potent gram for gram, unless you can make full melt clear dome? rize's full melt is cool but the yeild wont be shit but its potency would be on par with bho
Flavor - bho
Complexity - Less is better - i think BHO has more steps
Learning Curve - once you get bho down its easy
Initial Investment - i know you will need about 400 for bho and that would include- vac chamber - vacuum pump - griddle - temp gun - pyrex dish - extractor
i cant speak on bubble i do think the investment is cheaper
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Texture - bho
Profitability - bho

you could always make dry ice hash for VERY low cost, extremely simple and instant product for use. all you need is a 110 micron bubble bag or silk screen, a bucket of sorts, and dry ice.

hell yea... thanks for the fast replies. I am interested in making some dry ice kief but for this run I am going to use all my trim. I won't be selling anything and I'm not too worried about the texture... whatever gives the best potency, yield, flavor, etc.

another thing I forgot to mention is which method would be better medicinally? What I mean is, I have heard of rick simpson oil curing this and that... but is full melt just as good in the respect?

I have been leaning towards bho, but don't want that to influence any opinions.

Bho, when made properly

Is known as a” full spectrum” medication.
And brings a whole slew of medicinal properties to the table.

Full melt Bubble 60-70% active cannabinoids
Raw Bho 70-85% active cannabinoids
Polished Bho 85-mid-high 90th percentile.

Polishing makes the extract more potent through the removal of inactive compounds (plant fats/waxes).

* Warning: BHO is powerful and pure flavor, once consuming a properly made oil...you may NEVER smoke flowers or traditional hash again.

lol, that rick simpson seems like amazing oil from what ive read. I dont know what it is though or what the hell.

but as far as bho and hash go, there not a single fuckin thing about it thats "medicating" IMO. its such bullshit!!!! im all for legalizing it, but for morons that are like finshaggy and tons of other guys using it as a crutch, or excuse for every single problem, or fake ache in their body is bullshit. yes, it helps some people sleep, takes my anger away, etc... but in the end were just getting stoned is all were doing. if you say its helping anything, its mostly a placebo effect. you dont have to lie to us and bullshit everyone else, especially when smoking big oil hoots off the nail or fat hash joints... medicating lol. neither hash or oil are "medicinal" and its not "healthy" IMO. better than smoking flowers, but in the end, were just doing it to get high, and higher. not a medicine. not a drug. just a plant

Sirdabsalot462 said:

* Warning: BHO is powerful and pure flavor, once consuming a properly made oil...you may NEVER smoke flowers or traditional hash again.

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haaa, comically true.

I would winterize everything that is for your personal use..

Malevolence said:

hell yea... thanks for the fast replies. I am interested in making some dry ice kief but for this run I am going to use all my trim. I won't be selling anything and I'm not too worried about the texture... whatever gives the best potency, yield, flavor, etc.

another thing I forgot to mention is which method would be better medicinally? What I mean is, I have heard of rick simpson oil curing this and that... but is full melt just as good in the respect?

I have been leaning towards bho, but don't want that to influence any opinions.

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RSO is extracted using Naphtha, using Rick Simpsons published process. Like Butane, it extracts only what is there.

He also mentions a 3 minute Isopropyl extraction at ambient temperatures.

I salute Rick and what he has done for medical cannabis, but disagree that Naphtha is a good idea, because the word "Naphtha" only specifies a boiling point range, not what is in it, and some producers add Benzene. A good alternative would be Pentane or Hexane, both of which boil in that range, but are not carcinogenic, as is Benzene.

Solvents will always produce a higher yield than dry sieve or bubble hash, because extracting more than around half of the resin that is available using either of the hashing methods, introduces too much inert plant material into the product.

Dry sieve and bubble will never be as potent per unit volume, because they also include inert plant material such as cellulose.

From a medical standpoint, it isn't possible to make all the meds from hash, so a more refined condentrate is required. Not everyone can vaporize or smoke, and many folks systems rebel at eating raw trichomes, as the stems irritate their digestive tracts.

We supply a gram a day of BHO Absolute to cancer patients, which is taken orally or in some cases rectally or topically.

From a recreational standpoint, either will get you ripped and it is a matter of taste. Both can also move you all they way through high to stupid from short term memory loss, and either will couch lock you or put you to sleep.

To my discredit, I like the taste of them all, but once I started regularly consuming concentrates, I lost the ability to experience a euphoric high. A willing trade for the arthritic pain, but I do miss it.

Consuming more to chase that euphoria just makes me stupid or puts me to sleep, so if ya'll intend to take advantage of THC's euphoric properties, you should consider that before taking heavy doses medicinally.

Ignoring my tongue in cheek thoughts and looking at how my feet cast the actual vote, I use oil concentrates daily, but hash only occasionally, if that is a measure of my underlying beliefs.

My suggestion would be to try them all yourself and then make up your own mind.

vacpurge said:

lol, that rick simpson seems like amazing oil from what ive read. I dont know what it is though or what the hell.

but as far as bho and hash go, there not a single fuckin thing about it thats "medicating" IMO. its such bullshit!!!! im all for legalizing it, but for morons that are like finshaggy and tons of other guys using it as a crutch, or excuse for every single problem, or fake ache in their body is bullshit. yes, it helps some people sleep, takes my anger away, etc... but in the end were just getting stoned is all were doing. if you say its helping anything, its mostly a placebo effect. you dont have to lie to us and bullshit everyone else, especially when smoking big oil hoots off the nail or fat hash joints... medicating lol. neither hash or oil are "medicinal" and its not "healthy" IMO. better than smoking flowers, but in the end, were just doing it to get high, and higher. not a medicine. not a drug. just a plant

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It is readily apparent that some of the folk's motives using medical MJ, are recreational. When is the last time you went to a gathering where folks were passing around their other medications.

I think it would be a mistake to lose sight of the fact, that despite those rascals taking advantage of the system, there are some seriously ill and even end of life patients that rely on medical MJ heavily and are not abusing it.

I'm not judgmental of either group, as I too don't agree with the proscription of cannabis. We do follow the OMMP rules however, because by following them, we have been able to accomplish everything that you find on our site.

What I encourage everyone to do, is vote the restrictive laws and lawmakers out, so that our tax dollar isn't being turned against us by the DEA.

There's so many uptight potheads on this board... Smoke more!
Why do med users demand that rec users "see the light" to mmj's medical use? Why do rec users demand that med users "fess up" to just wanting to get high? I must have different cannabis bc mine allows me to say, "I don't give a fuck why you smoking... I'm just smoking!"
Light it up, live, and let live...

I'm smoking the same thing. Except I also feel this shit has greater purposes than making me feel good.

I'd much rather depends on my weed, rather than some Tylenol, or IB_profin types of dealios.

= those aren't even the scary "medications"

Why does medicine have to hurt? Very Western, right?
"Let me cut that, radiate it, and give some medicine that will constipate you, give you insomnia, decrease your appetite, nauseate you, and make sure you don't even want to think about fucking for months... but that's how you know you are getting better."
I was taking some of those scary medications with side effects that can turn permanent, e.g. benign tremors insomnia. Then I noticed my recreational habit (when high grade and fresh) worked better than my scripts. Did I just get my chocolate in my peanut butter? Yeah, I did! Some people like only their chocolate. Some people only like peanut butter. I love Reese's!

Thanks for the input; I'll be making BHO if I can spare the money for the initial investment. I have about 4-5 weeks until harvest.

@VP
Are you calling me a liar bullshitter?

I have a disease that essentially turns my body into concrete.
Ankylosing Spondylitis

Let me tell you, hash-oil has been literally a miracle for me.
3 medical professionals have recommended cannabis as a” treatment” for my symptoms , real doctors, not the cannabis doctors that will write a recommendation for tummy-aches.

I agree that some use this” medicinal” bullshit so they can obtain cannabis legally. And, then go out and sell, smoke blunts, take gram dabs...stupid ass shit.

Just as a small example of it's bullshit medicinal properties
*Symptom = anxiety (side-effect from narcotic pain meds)
*Prescribed = Klonopin 6 mg /day
With hash oil = reduced to 2 mg/day
*Symptom = inflammation
*Prescribed = Nsaids= 2400 mg /day
With hash oil = reduced to 600 mg/day
*Symptom = wide-spread chronic pain
*Prescribed = None of your business, (hehe)
With hash oil = reduced by 30% days that I work and by 50% on my days off.

Don't want to make it an argument my friend, but I am walking living proof of hash oil being a legitimate means of treating many symptoms.

But how can you call bullshit on the one and only drug that can kill cancer cells?

...I would never wish my illness upon anybody, but; damn bro, if you only knew how much REAL pain I've dealt with for nearly 2 decades.
I typed this out right after VP posted his views on medicinally focused usage.

I find that typing things out, and then reading helps one gain a better ” temperament”
I agree fully with the usage of both recreational and medicinal use of cannabis.

However, as FD stated, once one partakes in Hash-oil for medical symptoms, it's recreational value dropped considerably. I only ”medicate” get” high” whatever you want to call it, when my symptoms call for it.

Fadedawg said:

It is readily apparent that some of the folk's motives using medical MJ, are recreational. When is the last time you went to a gathering where folks were passing around their other medications.

I think it would be a mistake to lose sight of the fact, that despite those rascals taking advantage of the system, there are some seriously ill and even end of life patients that rely on medical MJ heavily and are not abusing it.

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Personally I believe its rather obvious the majority seek the high. The number of posts pertaining to information of a medical nature are pale in comparison to those who want profit or the stone.

You have not been to my little corner of the world. This place is perplexing to say the least. After my last bout with cancer I quit going to gatherings of friends and family. Here pain pills are the hot topic for discussion and they are passed around like candy. I grew tired of being badgered by idiots wanting to know what kind of pills I have. Joints are hidden and never talked about in a group setting unless it comes from some loud mouth attempting to ridicule someone for smoking dope. If you OD on pills nobody gives a shit. You are subject to find plenty of sympathy for your problem. If you get busted for possession your life is most likely going to be hell if you stay here with the majority that would prefer you were banished from society.

george xxx said:

Personally I believe its rather obvious the majority seek the high. The number of posts pertaining to information of a medical nature are pale in comparison to those who want profit or the stone.

You have not been to my little corner of the world. This place is perplexing to say the least. After my last bout with cancer I quit going to gatherings of friends and family. Here pain pills are the hot topic for discussion and they are passed around like candy. I grew tired of being badgered by idiots wanting to know what kind of pills I have. Joints are hidden and never talked about in a group setting unless it comes from some loud mouth attempting to ridicule someone for smoking dope. If you OD on pills nobody gives a shit. You are subject to find plenty of sympathy for your problem. If you get busted for possession your life is most likely going to be hell if you stay here with the majority that would prefer you were banished from society.

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Yup, world corners differ. We see a lot of end of life patients seeking help, who aren't looking for a high, but don't object to having it as a benefit. Our biggest problem is actually getting their tolerance built up high enough to take 333 mg doses, without getting discombobulated.

True. If I smoke like I want for getting high, I don't smoke enough for the medicinal value. My wife has to beg me to go "take a hit" every one in a while bc she sees I need some. But at those times, I don't feel like smoking at all. I'm trying to look into oral medications but there are so many methods and means that I get overwhelmed, say f it, and do what I know... smoke... just not enough. (Sometimes)