Barney's Farm - Tangerine Dream - Waterfarm!

Yeah my pump runs 24/7 - I only turn it off when changing out the rez, then it's back on again right after the fresh water/nutes are replaced. A few people I've seen swear by getting better results with the additional air-stone in the rez - I'm planning to get a 3rd pump for my next double waterfarm grow and have it solely for running an airstone in each rez simultaneously. This Christmas it's going to really get crazy in my basement..lol

Hey Bro, I haven't been on here in a little while (computer issues). I must say your lady is looking fine. I just took a look back at the first pic on 3/17, damn she has really grown ALOT in 4 short months. Congrats, she's doing great.

Ganjasism said:

Hey Bro, I haven't been on here in a little while (computer issues). I must say your lady is looking fine. I just took a look back at the first pic on 3/17, damn she has really grown ALOT in 4 short months. Congrats, she's doing great.

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Hey Ganja - welcome back! Thanks - yeah things are turning out quite well - you can really see the potential for large thick heavy buds, and they are big and heavy -bud could be denser if there were some more indica influence in there. It will be interesting to see how much weight they lose after having dried for a week... i'm guessing we'll still be around the 1 lb mark but it will be close.

How often to you add Nova Bloom to the water? I don't recall scottyballs mentioning anything about that. I probably missed it, thread is so long though!

Here's what I did... but I went mostly by how the plant looked at different points...

I didn't start using any nutes for the first 3 weeks or so, then I just started light (about 2 tsp total for the rez) and kept testing it and keeping it low for the first week or so (~300 ppm) and then gradually brought it up to ~900 ppm towards the end of veg. After switching to flowering I gave it a few days first, then upped the ppms slowly at first (~1000 - 1100) in the first week and a half or so, then up to ~1500-1600 ppms 4-5 weeks into flower. The plant is using quite a lot of water at that point, so you'll find it leaves more nutrient in the rez which means when you test it (when the water level is low and before topping it up) you'll get very high ppm readings..over 2000 ppm. At that point I lowered mm ppms back down to about 900 for a week and then gave it a good flush with straight rain water which is ~15 ppm, used a bit of pH down in it as well. After the flush I refilled the rez with about 1100 ppm solution and slowly brought it back up to ~1500-1600 where it is now...

...so basically just start low, don't exceed ~900 ppms during veg, but then flowering you can increase to ~1100 and slow up from there as the plant shows that it needs...mine seemed to like a lot of nutes well into flower and then all of a sudden had enough, so I dialed them back... some of my plant is dry and crusted out in parts from the excess feeding, but othe parts of the plant are fine - so it's just about getting a good balance that works for the entire plant.

So did you add nutes every few days?

No, I have a handy 2-gallon water bucket that I fill with RO water and pre-mix a nute solution in there. Then I use that to top off the rez until it's gone - then make another. Once a week, I drain and replace the entire rez. When I nute the full 2-gallon bucket, i'll add about 3-5 tsp of flora nova depending on what has been giving me a ~1500 ppm 2 gal bucket of solution...

...so yes, I add nutes to every new bucket of water I prepare - the appropriate amount to try and maintain a consistent ppm in the rez. After about 600 ppms, you pretty much never have to check the pH anymore, as the flora nova balances it perfectly... I think that's a big secret to why these nutes work this well...keeping the pH balanced in order for more nutrients to be available.

I know this is an old thread but I'm trying to help anyone who may stumble across it that is having problems germinating Tangerine Dream seeds. I killed 3 out of a 5 pack before I got one to germinate by soaking it in water for 24 hrs. and gently pinching the tip of the seed with tweezers to crack it open a bit and then putting it in a grow plug and keeping it in my humidity dome with my clones. Hope this helps someone out there before they waste 3 of their seeds. Once you get Tangerine Dream going she's a strong healthy plant. Mine is 15 inches tall with 20 side branches!

TDooda said:

Hey man!
Nice to see another grow inspired by Scotty! I myself have taken his ideas and upped it a fraction, hehe.
I am truly amazed that your TD seed even germed!
Most of the people who have bought them have had 0% germination and the ones that managed to germ got mutant looking plants.
Fingers crossed yours is ok!

TD

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Then I suppose I was one of the few lucky ones? I had two Tangerine Dreams going this past Spring and both turned out to be females and both turned out to be beautiful fully mature/ripe plants. I harvested them back in May of this year.. and let me tell ya, it was def. some of the better bud that I've grown/smoked. The taste was great.. especially when you consider I'm an all organic grower. The smell was just remarkable and the potency was fair. I think the thing I liked the most about the Tangerine Dream, was the taste/smell of it. The taste/smell was absolutely wonderful! It's one of those strains that I won't forget. It didn't make it onto my 'Hall of fame' folder.. but it came close and is overall, still a great strain.

Only advice I would have for growing the Tangerine Dream would be, be careful when feeding nutes. My two that I had, were fairly sensitive to nutrients.. and didn't like to be fed too much. I think I fed them like twice per month.. and I still had a few minor issues. So just be careful with your feedings. Make sure that you start any cannabis plant off with the bare minimum strength mixture of nutrients.. and gradually bring up the dosage/mixture strength. This will give the plant time to get use to the nutrients and the nutrient strengths.

peace.

Dayzt said:

Thanks for all the tips guys!! I've added my CFL light back this evening and it's setup to come on about an hour after the 400 comes on, then off about an hour before the 400 goes off again. Got a pic update of the setup below - it's still looking healthy and green, but has had a slow start. The root still hasn't reached the rez yet so no explosive growth spurt yet! I pH adjusted the water in the rez back down to 6.0 from 7.6 this evening. Having added straight RO water a few times during the week caused it to creep back up.

I was wondering - would colder water temps cause the seedling to start out slower like this? The tent is on the concrete basement floor which is a bit cold still from winter - could that cause my waterfarm to have a colder rez than it should be? Feeling the side of the rez I can tell it's a bit chilly but it doesn't seem extremely cold... just curious as to if that would be a factor.

Well, here's the pic.

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Cooler temps can and will slow the plants growth. Yes.. your correct on the assumption.

good luck man.

peace.

blayson82 said:

I know this is an old thread but I'm trying to help anyone who may stumble across it that is having problems germinating Tangerine Dream seeds. I killed 3 out of a 5 pack before I got one to germinate by soaking it in water for 24 hrs. and gently pinching the tip of the seed with tweezers to crack it open a bit and then putting it in a grow plug and keeping it in my humidity dome with my clones. Hope this helps someone out there before they waste 3 of their seeds. Once you get Tangerine Dream going she's a strong healthy plant. Mine is 15 inches tall with 20 side branches!

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Umm...old thread?? The post you're replying to is from the first part of my journal, but this is definitely not as 'old thread'..lol..maybe give it another go and read through the whole journal. =) Welcome!

It's interesting you mention problems with germination due to 'lack' of soaking - for me it was the exact opposite. I soaked my first one and it failed to crack within 3 days' time...stuck an additional one in the wet paper-towel on that 3rd day and it cracked in less than 24 hr...so my experience was the oppposite of you.

She really is a healthy strain once it takes off though - I agree. The stability isn't quite as good as it should be - there seems to be mostly 'sativa' dominant pheno from what people have been reporting - mine started out looking mostly indica, but look at them now! =)

cannabisguru said:

Then I suppose I was one of the few lucky ones? I had two Tangerine Dreams going this past Spring and both turned out to be females and both turned out to be beautiful fully mature/ripe plants. I harvested them back in May of this year.. and let me tell ya, it was def. some of the better bud that I've grown/smoked. The taste was great.. especially when you consider I'm an all organic grower. The smell was just remarkable and the potency was fair. I think the thing I liked the most about the Tangerine Dream, was the taste/smell of it. The taste/smell was absolutely wonderful! It's one of those strains that I won't forget. It didn't make it onto my 'Hall of fame' folder.. but it came close and is overall, still a great strain.

Only advice I would have for growing the Tangerine Dream would be, be careful when feeding nutes. My two that I had, were fairly sensitive to nutrients.. and didn't like to be fed too much. I think I fed them like twice per month.. and I still had a few minor issues. So just be careful with your feedings. Make sure that you start any cannabis plant off with the bare minimum strength mixture of nutrients.. and gradually bring up the dosage/mixture strength. This will give the plant time to get use to the nutrients and the nutrient strengths.

peace.

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cannabisguru said:

Cooler temps can and will slow the plants growth. Yes.. your correct on the assumption.

good luck man.

peace.

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Thanks - it appears there are a few posts here to posts from VERY early on in this grow...maybe some peeps have done searches and found certain pages of my journal... remember to look at the current thread posts..lots of stuff has happened since the first few pages! =)

...so to reply regarding the cooler temps...when I first started, my location was cooler due to the outdoor temps...that was remedied easily by putting the waterfarm up on a styrofoam block to insulate it from my cold basement floor. Temps weren't an issue after that (about the 2nd week into veg).

I can tell this strain will have some great 'bag-appeal' and attractive scents already, so it's not surprising with your report on it's cosmetic appeal. Great to hear she smokes decent - I've definitely had 'frostier' results, but I think this strain hit it's 'stride' as far as resin production at about the half-way point in folower - since then it's been more about filling out the long stems of buds - some filling out better than others. My setup wasn't fully 'prepared' for such a tallish-type bush, so I have quite a lot of shorter bud sites on the sides of the scrog, which aren't filling out as much (less light). They'll be used mostly for making hash I'm guessing.

Great info on the nutes - I would have to agree there. I overdid it a bit a-ways into flowering, but it didn't appear to effect much - still some nice thick and long buds. Also, I'm growing in a waterfarm (hydro) system, so feeding is constant.

updates? It's been a few days.

Hey mr2 - yeppers, got a pic update coming later this evening....stay tuned!

Yay! 700th post!!

Okay - here we are pretty much at day 70 of flowering. Things are looking up, but some parts of this plant still have a ways to go - and yet some look to be about a week or so away... have a look!

....and a quick close-up to follow!!

D - INCREDIBLE grow. Been following since first post. Hands down the best TD grow I've seen posted anywhere, especially considering how that little lady started. Buds look fantastic at 70 days. Can't imagine what they'll look like once they really swell during last few weeks. You've got to be ecstatic at the potential yields. Looking forward to harvest AND smoke report.

Can't get my damn TD beans to pop (fawkers), so will be a PE grow only.

+rep -- Well deserved.

Fuzznutz said:

D - INCREDIBLE grow. Been following since first post. Hands down the best TD grow I've seen posted anywhere, especially considering how that little lady started. Buds look fantastic at 70 days. Can't imagine what they'll look like once they really swell during last few weeks. You've got to be ecstatic at the potential yields. Looking forward to harvest AND smoke report.

Can't get my damn TD beans to pop (fawkers), so will be a PE grow only.

+rep -- Well deserved.

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Thanks so much fuzz! I'm honored to be considered the best TD grow you've seen! (although I've seen a few pretty great ones on RIU as well) I don't know how much swelling is left - she's starting to 'lose the battle' now and is using up her nutrients from the upper leaves more and more now each day. I changed out the entire rez this evening and put back in a 1250 ppm solution - but I'm thinking of only using 1.5 gallons of top-up solution before switching it to it's ~50 ppm solution later this week just before starting the flush. I've got AN's Final Phase to use for flushing - it's worked very well for me in the past.

The way things are looking, the official flushing (after a week of the ~50ppm solution) will begin on the 13th for 1 week and harvest I'm hoping will be the weekend of the 20th. Due to the size of the plant, I think it will appreciate the extra flushing time and the gradual 'weening' off of the nutes in the second last week... it's an experiment. =)

Hey man I'm subbed...

it looks like you still got some time to go...

I really wouldn't worry about flushing late..... like really... it's a slow developing plant at the end of every stage...


I'd start thinking about it in 2+ weeks.... around day 80 or 90 depending on which phenotypes your working with..


my sativa pheno showed 15% amber around day 110... and my hybrid pheno was done around day 95.


I look for swollen calyxes, and brown pistils!


I've been vaping my hybrid pheno.. it's pretty tasty but nothing compared to the sativa pheno! The sativa pheno is smooth like vanilla... almost like a tangerine creamsicle

Going on 4+ weeks cure for the hybrid, 2 weeks on the sativa


keep feeding them full strength... they WILL chunk the hell out towards the end

heres some flowering/chop pics..both BF:TD obviously...


the flowering ones have the flowering days in the file names - for reference

i hope this helps a little ... i had zero end-product references when I was flowering... I didn't know anyone who flowered it out all the way

D - I'm with Sr. V. Consider keeping it going for a few more weeks and letting them swell. The way those buds started filling in after showing sativa phenos along with your pics has me believing a few more weeks.

Still just blow away by your scrog and the way that TD took off. Fawkin' jungle brother. You have me thinking seriously thinking about trying water farm on next grow.