Barneys Blue Cheese 1st grow (week1 flower)

good luck man i hope that works.

That might be a tough one there. Problem is, there's barely any leaves left. Without leaves, all that light won't be doing any good. Wait and see. Good idea with the re-vegging. Did you have to do that to all of your plants or do you have some left?

i kno i may hav gone abit samurai on them but i think it may work.... i have 4 bbc in 12/12 left
2 in veg and 3 clones also in veg

so its not that bad but like half of my crop has gone!!!

Fingers crossed here mate!!! Did you get your light problem fixed?? how do you feed them???....the way i do it is if the soil is dry on the surface and about a inch down(using my finger) then i feed!! i give them at the mo 5/6ml bloom food with 2 litres of water and let the excess drain right through the pots once the water has stopped draining through the bottom i put the plant back in the box!!( you want a min of 10% of the water you give them to drain out the bottom)
For me at the mo it means im watering my girls( in 5 ltr pots) pretty much every 2 days or so!!

Good luck mate!!

Your plants were definitely underwatered before you massacred them. You killed 4 perfectly good plants (that presumably cost you $$$) because you couldn't identify the problem immediately. I realize this is your first grow, but you need to have patience and seek advice before making life-altering decisions. You could have started a new thread about your "problem" and probably gotten some quick responses telling you to water your plants.

In the future, you want to water at least 1 quart water per gallon of soil. After you water, lift the pot and feel how heavy it is. In a couple days, the pot will become so light it is as if there is nothing in it...which is when you water again. OR, just watch your plants. When they start to droop after a few days of no water, it means they are thirsty.

Also, always alternate 1 nutrient feeding with 1 water only feeding until you're ready to flush at the end.

Growing is a learning process...Good luck!

i pretty much feed em the exact same way. nly difference is that i sit my plant n a small pot and then feed and jus leav it ther till it stops dripppin and mve on to the next 1.

so jerry r u sayin those plants r ded??

they r in 24/0 in the veg room...even if 1 out of the 4 lives im happy.

or should i jus get rid of them???
i really dont want to tho!!!

also i waterd all the plants at the same time and almost the same amount so why did it happen to only those 4???

i have not really changed my routine at all in these last 7/8 weeks so agan why??

i kno that u kno wat u r talkin about because i hav red ur journal and posts before so any suggestions u may hav i will take very seriously...

thanx.


if any1 else has any suggestions also please feel free to join in.

Could it be that where they were in with your other plants that they were not getting any wind/breeze on them, coupled with some light getting on them during the 12 hr dark may have made them week!!! if those 4 plant say were at the back of the grow area or hidden behind some of the other plants and not getting any breeze this could have made them weaker than the others!!! Making them go floppy??!!
just a opinon!! hope it helps in some way!!!

Good luck mate!!!

Baggins said:

Could it be that where they were in with your other plants that they were not getting any wind/breeze on them, coupled with some light getting on them during the 12 hr dark may have made them week!!! if those 4 plant say were at the back of the grow area or hidden behind some of the other plants and not getting any breeze this could have made them weaker than the others!!! Making them go floppy??!!
just a opinon!! hope it helps in some way!!!

Good luck mate!!!

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they wer scattrered around the area in no perticular order...1 was at the back 2 at the front and 1 more at the bak!!

also the fans go off with my lights because i only have a few sockets so they are also on a timer!

i had anotha fukin security breach today so i had 2 move my plants 4 the 2nd tym 2day!!

i must say tho i am happy with the new room becAUse it is small and my remainin 4 plants get a really nice amount of light!!

my veg room is now in a completley different property which im not happy about!
its like a cubby hole which i have to crawl in2.... its really pissin me off, but the plan is to keep them here till i can take them ova 2 12/12.

i will put pictures up 2moro.

i cant believe the amount of trouble iv had on my grow.

soil is too messy and hydro loox complicated!!

what kind of system is everybody using, what would u recommend for my 2nd grow?

also is it better 2 do 4 plants in 10l pots under a 600w hps

or

2 plants in 20l pots under a 600w hps ??

i mean would i get more off 2 plants getting maximum light or 4 getting...wateva they would get?????

trulojik said:

its like a cubby hole which i have to crawl in2.... its really pissin me off, but the plan is to keep them here till i can take them ova 2 12/12.

soil is too messy and hydro loox complicated!!

what kind of system is everybody using, what would u recommend for my 2nd grow?

also is it better 2 do 4 plants in 10l pots under a 600w hps

or

2 plants in 20l pots under a 600w hps ??

i mean would i get more off 2 plants getting maximum light or 4 getting...wateva they would get?????

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If you've got'em in a cubby-like space, then it sounds like you've got yourself a great veg/clone cab that can at least maximize the light you have. The smaller the space, the more light reflectivity. Probably a pain in the A for you to get in there, but your plants'll love it. Especially if you manage to get some reflectivity in there.

I avoided soil like the plague for that very reason. I can comment on the 2 mediums that I have used though:

Hydro- Okay. I feel your worries. I had them too. pH, PPM, pumps, hydroton rocks, net cups, tubes.......wtf.....this sounds complicated as hell. I assure you it's really not. Here are the real deterants to hydro
1) more daily work (pHing and checking ppm.......that's it. That's all you have to do each day)
2)algae. When light hits the rez, algae can form and is a real pain in the ass. with a fully light-proof rez, there's no worries.
3)a tad bit more expensive. Just as a result of the pump you have to run and the needing to purchase a pH pen, PPM meter, and calibration solutions. Look on amazon, you'll see that the pH pen could be like $22 (nothing fancy) and the ppm pen is more like $40. These are 1-time only expenses at least.

The benefits of hydro:
1) Bigger yields.
2) Faster growth
3) Quicker to finish
4) Complete control. With hydro, there is no guess work. You know exactly what your plants are getting. This is not so with soil. And best yet, your PPM meter will allow your plant to essentially communicate with you. It'll tell you when it needs more food and when it needs more water.
5) Less pests. The only pest you'll have to deal with is algae....and that's only if you fail to properly light-proof your rez.

Here's a link to an easy, cheap, yet highly effective DIY deep-water-culture (DWC) set up if you're interested. https://www.rollitup.org/do-yourself/97378-diy-3-gallon-rubbermaid-dwc.html

Coco- This is what my current grow is in now. It's kind of a hybrid medium between soil and hydro....although it's much more hydro than soil.

Advantages:
1) Easy. I water/feed once per day and that's it.
2) Very little issues with pH. It's a very pH stable medium.
3) Yields more than soil but slightly less than hydro.

Disadvantages:
1) Little more expensive a medium. I use a 3 gallon paint bucket to grow in. For this, I buy a $3 block of coco coir purchased from my local hydro shop. That's it. The only reason that it's considered more expensive than hydro is that you can get water right outta your tap for no added cost.
2) Coco specific nutes. They're really not that expensive fortunately but coco does require specific nutes for the medium. The nutes I'm using now are Canna Coco A+B ($22 total) and PK 13/14 ($22). That's all you'd really need. And that would carry you through about 20-30 plants easily.

As for the plant numbers question. Some factors come in to play here. Mainly, number of seeds you have and number of plants you want going at 1 time.

My current grow that you've seen...that's 1 plant. 1 plant that I scrogged to cover a 2.5' by 2.5' area so that I can yield the most out of it given my 400w hps. I did this for 2 reasons, limit the # of plants that I have just in case I get caught (happier gettin caught with 1 plant than 4), and most of the seeds that I have are single feminized seeds. I would clone them, but I fucced that up pretty good

If you have a limited source of seeds, then limiting plant #s will work best for you. It just means that you have to veg for a coupla weeks longer before flowering and using a cultivation technique like scrog to maximize yield.

If you've got plenty of seeds/clones to go from, then the 4 plant set up will work just fine.

But know that yield can very easily be manipulated regardless of plant numbers by adjusting your technique and veg time.

-Butters

for my next grow i wanna to a perpetual thing, something like 8-9 oz every 4-5 weeks.
how many plants(cutting,veg,flower) would i need to have in rotation in order to reach my target?
and would hydro be the best way to achieve this?

the only issue i really have with hydro is the fact that any malfunctions could cost my entire crop
wer as in soil each plant is a single and seperate unit which can b easily removed if need be.

is hydro the way to go for a perpetual grow???

For what you're looking to do, hydro Ebb'n Flow SOG is the way to go. Not sure about getting 8-9oz every month with a 600w though. Probably. Ebb'n Flow is the laziest way of hydro and requires very little work. The initial set up gets expensive though. Those flood and drain tables are killers unfortunately.

There was another way that I am actually contemplating as well using a SOG and coco with just 2L soda bottles as hempy buckets.

Here's a link to the grow that I'll be referencing: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/210779-400-watt-2-liter-hempy.html (example pic of what he does below)


That's under just a 400wHPS and he averages about 1.5oz per row. If staggering for harvest one row per week, that comes out to be about 7oz. That was using perlite as a medium. I feel it could produce more in a coco medium.

With your 600w, given that it can cover a greater area than a 400w, you could add probably another 2 rows/columns to this. Theoretically, you might be able to pull off greater than 8-9oz using the numbers this grower got.

But it's gonna be alot of plants. You'd need prolly 3 mothers at least to take cuttings from each week. Then, after rooted, those plants would have to be vegged at least 2 weeks, maybe more/less depending on the size of the cuttings you could afford to take. Then, you are also going through the harvesting process each week. Shouldn't be too difficult as those plants will be lollipopped, but still quite a share of work.

But that'd pretty much cover the 8-9oz goal you're looking for.

There's probably a bunch of other perpetual set ups that could get you to the 8-9oz mark monthly. Search around the grow journals and you'll prolly find a bunch'a stuff.

-Butters

(Butters) said:

For what you're looking to do, hydro Ebb'n Flow SOG is the way to go. Not sure about getting 8-9oz every month with a 600w though. Probably. Ebb'n Flow is the laziest way of hydro and requires very little work. The initial set up gets expensive though. Those flood and drain tables are killers unfortunately.

There was another way that I am actually contemplating as well using a SOG and coco with just 2L soda bottles as hempy buckets.

Here's a link to the grow that I'll be referencing: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/210779-400-watt-2-liter-hempy.html (example pic of what he does below)

That's under just a 400wHPS and he averages about 1.5oz per row. If staggering for harvest one row per week, that comes out to be about 7oz. That was using perlite as a medium. I feel it could produce more in a coco medium.

With your 600w, given that it can cover a greater area than a 400w, you could add probably another 2 rows/columns to this. Theoretically, you might be able to pull off greater than 8-9oz using the numbers this grower got.

But it's gonna be alot of plants. You'd need prolly 3 mothers at least to take cuttings from each week. Then, after rooted, those plants would have to be vegged at least 2 weeks, maybe more/less depending on the size of the cuttings you could afford to take. Then, you are also going through the harvesting process each week. Shouldn't be too difficult as those plants will be lollipopped, but still quite a share of work.

But that'd pretty much cover the 8-9oz goal you're looking for.

There's probably a bunch of other perpetual set ups that could get you to the 8-9oz mark monthly. Search around the grow journals and you'll prolly find a bunch'a stuff.

-Butters

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1ce again + reps 4 u my friend..

i will definatly have more lights and everything 4 the stagger
finance shud b sorted by then!

the thing is im not greedy its jus that i really need that much to get me thru a month.(slight exaggeration!(betta safe than sorry!))!

so how many plants would i need to b growin realistically at any given time in the veg/flowa room??

With a 600w and that set up, adding 2 more rows and columns, that makes 49 plants in flower. Doing a weekly harvest of rows, that's 7 surviving clones per week (you'd have to take prolly around 11 just to make sure). That's alot of moms. I really can't accurately say how many. But at 11 cuttings per week....gotta be like 5 or 6 moms. Then, you'll need to take smaller cuttings (around 11), keep them in your cloner for at least 2 weeks before you see roots (give or take a few days), and then you'd want to veg them til they hit like 8" maybe.

So that's 49 in flower, 5-6 moms, 7 surviving clones weekly, and lots of vegging clones to get height. That's gotta be close to a 100 plants. Prolly less, but definately up there. The best way to conceptualize this would be to check out Al B Fuct's thread that's stickied in either the Indoor Growing or the Hydroponic Growing area. It's called Get A Harvest Every 2 Weeks and it's a sticky. Great info in there and kinda a step by step on how to work SOG operations.

-Butters

whats a sticky?

They're these threads that are permanently attached to a general forum on this site. They are those very 1st threads that you see at the top when you click on a Hydroponics or Indoor Growing. They are just always there cuz they tend to be real informative and real helpful. You learn alot just be reading through those threads boss. Lots of good info.

thanx mate

so its been a while!
i havent realy seen any changes so i didnt add any pictures, but 2day i finished my new clone/veg/mother room (i jus cleaned it up and painted the brickx and pipes white!!) and i decided to keep my 2 smallest bbc's as mothers.

i have taken 2 cuttings of each 1 which will go in to veg hopefully in 2 weeks time fo a perpetual grow.... i will only be putting 2 in to the grow and keeping the other 2 as spare mothers.
if everything goes to plan i shud b takin 2/4 more cuttings in 2 weeks time.

i have also added some pictures of my 12/12s...shit quality so i dont kno if u can see it but my buds are finally coming along at week 4!!
they smell kinda sweet,musky,cheesy all at the same time!!

ps

how much could/should 2 plants yield??
lets for arguments sake say i only give them the basics and let them grow naturally
i will obviously be doing lst and/or any other tecniques which could help increase my yield
i only ask this because that figure will help me work out what the minimum amount of bud i could be looking at for my stagger...and if it is gonna be worth it!!

what do u think??

in case any1 gets confused the mothers are the 2 biggest 1s in the middle of the line!!
the other 3 are tops i tuk of my 12/12
the 1 on the far left is showin some roots..will it be ok in this pot until the end of veg or should i re-pot in to the bigger 1z now???