Balls to the Wall grow, Riddleme Gets Serious

riddleme said:

The trek to that perfect smoke that RMH mentioned has been a mission for me, I know it is possible because I used to buy these buds (years ago) that were the best smoke I ever had, it went for $100 a gram and no one complained, I have posted here about it before. That guy would not share his secrets so I have been on a mission to figure it out and I am damn close. The one thing that his bud did was stay sticky, it never dried out and the buds from the first goddess run are now there, I left them set out for 3 hours yesterday and they did not get dry or crispy, they just stayed spongy and sticky and the high, oh my god, this shit is good, my 4th hit last night actually buckled my knees and I went to bed, it put me down GOOD just one or 2 hits is a very good stone. I gave an oz back to RMH yesterday so we'll see what his opinion is here soon?

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Shiiiiat. I would tell someone to kiss my ass, if they told me $100 a gram. I wish I could believe there was smoke out there better than OG Raskal gear; just because it would be ridiculous, but I really don't believe this harvest and cure method is going to make the bud that much better. Not trying to be a hater either. I'll keep watching and check out the buds afterwards.

i love you and all but 100 a g you got hustled ive smoked one hiter quiter b4 never payed near that and im from the midwest

how fast does water travel from the inside of the bud to the outside of the bud or at least to where it can evaporate from the bud ? anyone know? I realize it would vary but, any guesses? so when your bud is dry on the outside how long till it wets up again? and yes I think it applies here where we are talking aboiut drying/curing, seems to me if you hit that sweet spot where it was evaporating at the same rate as it was being replenished from inside the bud that that is as fast as you could dry(and/or cure, no idea what riddle is doing with his "Chamber" )

Delux83 said:

i love you and all but 100 a g you got hustled ive smoked one hiter quiter b4 never payed near that and im from the midwest

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literally a pinch the size of a match head would put me down for 6 hours those buds lasted me like 3 months, I had no problem paying the $100 it was awesome smoke

LiveHigh said:

Shiiiiat. I would tell someone to kiss my ass, if they told me $100 a gram. I wish I could believe there was smoke out there better than OG Raskal gear; just because it would be ridiculous, but I really don't believe this harvest and cure method is going to make the bud that much better. Not trying to be a hater either. I'll keep watching and check out the buds afterwards.

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already showed the buds and did a smoke report? and it def makes em better

bobhamm said:

how fast does water travel from the inside of the bud to the outside of the bud or at least to where it can evaporate from the bud ? anyone know? I realize it would vary but, any guesses? so when your bud is dry on the outside how long till it wets up again? and yes I think it applies here where we are talking aboiut drying/curing, seems to me if you hit that sweet spot where it was evaporating at the same rate as it was being replenished from inside the bud that that is as fast as you could dry(and/or cure, no idea what riddle is doing with his "Chamber" )

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I'm fermenting buds

I started drowning a plant yesterday. It does seem to smell even more this morning. Living on it's own sugars. Cool experiment General RM3.
Daniels

riddleme said:

I'm fermenting buds

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what I meant was I didnt know how you were doing what you are doing feeling feisty this morning are ye? as I understand it you are simultaneously drying/curing the bud, correct? thats why I was wondering how fast water travels intra-budwise so that essentially you are hitting that sweet spot where it dries literally as fast as it can, not sure what the curing is all about

bobhamm said:

what I meant was I didnt know how you were doing what you are doing feeling feisty this morning are ye? as I understand it you are simultaneously drying/curing the bud, correct? thats why I was wondering how fast water travels intra-budwise so that essentially you are hitting that sweet spot where it dries literally as fast as it can, not sure what the curing is all about

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right now I am actually trying to slow it down, but the moisture does move a bit, think of the big piles in the chamber as a single bud in a jar

100 bucks a gram just doesn't make economical sense for a recreational smoker. Maybe if you only used it for medical. Plus, a lot of MMJ users prefer cannabis as medicine because it doesn't put them down like pharmaceuticals nor have the side effects. Don't get me wrong, I like good bud, and every now and then I like to be comatose, but I like the motivation and focus cannabis gives me. I would think a lot of this is still strain related.

Danielsgb said:

I started drowning a plant yesterday. It does seem to smell even more this morning. Living on it's own sugars. Cool experiment General RM3.
Daniels

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where were your amber trichs at percentage wise?

gumball said:

100 bucks a gram just doesn't make economical sense for a recreational smoker. Maybe if you only used it for medical. Plus, a lot of MMJ users prefer cannabis as medicine because it doesn't put them down like pharmaceuticals nor have the side effects. Don't get me wrong, I like good bud, and every now and then I like to be comatose, but I like the motivation and focus cannabis gives me. I would think a lot of this is still strain related.

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this was back in the early 80's before all these fancy strains evolved and pretty much most of what was out there was swag

bobhamm said:

where were your amber trichs at percentage wise?

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Low %, Maybe 10%. Full cloudy.

riddleme said:

right now I am actually trying to slow it down, but the moisture does move a bit, think of the big piles in the chamber as a single bud in a jar

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ok, now Im confused, somedays its a constant state if the bud was dried/cured in 4days, how is that slowed down? do you mean just the drying part is slowed down? from what I've read 4 days for drying is not unusual? back to the books for me i guess

It will be interesting to see if different strains require different settings to achieve optimum results. Also over all dryness/curing between larger, thicker buds & the smaller popcorn buds. I could actually see having 2 or more chambers for the different size buds in order to maintain proper enviroment for the fermenting. I doubt I ever have that particular problem though, lol

Danielsgb said:

Low %, Maybe 10%. Full cloudy.

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ahh, just about where mine are, though I have yest to see an amber one on my most advanced plant... will be watching your thread to see how it goes

mids here which is really good brick goes for $150 a q! $100 for 3grams $50 for 1.8grams...but the reason for that is we are to small to have cash crops so we import and smuggle so they are bricked then imported so thats y its pricey as fuck this bud i jsut harvest could easliy go for $100 a gram! without a doubt i could sell .8 for $100 especially cuz its not brick and its high grade!

=also to bobhamm ive yet to meet someone who can cure and dry within 4days and people (the ppl that have the patients and kno that it pays off) try to draw out the drying and curing process! i kno alot of people who try to dry for 2weeks and then start the cure! but then again for someone in new england they will dry there buds alot faster than someone here but the longer the better...and riddleme just flipped that theory upside down with this chamber! u dont need the patients u dont need the time to achieve what u want...so imagin if u took the time in a chamber like that!...not to sure how u cant see that discovery!?

Ahhh, early 80's and such. Okay. Well, your tolerance was probably shit compared to what it is now and you smoked some real dank bud. Simple as that. I just really doubt that guy had this little chamber and stuff you got going and he's been keeping it a secret from everyone forever. Not to mention, it doesn't sound like the bud got any better than a normal cure...just smokable quicker.

But to dry the buds, aren't you having to blow your fan on them on high? I mean, you could blow a fan on buds hanging on high for 2 days and dry em quick and then pop em in jars for 2 days and have a 4 day smoke too.

Sorry. I hate coming to your threads and doing nothing but hassle ya, but I'm just being skeptical. I appreciate the fact that you tinker and try out different shit and share it with us. Can't find the next best thang unless ya try.

rastadred22 said:

... to bobhamm ive yet to meet someone who can cure and dry within 4days and people (the ppl that have the patients and kno that it pays off) try to draw out the drying and curing process! i kno alot of people who try to dry for 2weeks and then start the cure! but then again for someone in new england they will dry there buds alot faster than someone here but the longer the better...and riddleme just flipped that theory upside down with this chamber! u dont need the patients u dont need the time to achieve what u want...so imagin if u took the time in a chamber like that!...not to sure how u cant see that discovery!?

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where I got confused was people talking about slowing down the drying process and 4 days from chop to done is definitly not slowing down

edit: or are you saying that more than 4 days in the chamber would do something further for the buds riddle is curing?

LiveHigh said:

Ahhh, early 80's and such. Okay. Well, your tolerance was probably shit compared to what it is now and you smoked some real dank bud. Simple as that. I just really doubt that guy had this little chamber and stuff you got going and he's been keeping it a secret from everyone forever. Not to mention, it doesn't sound like the bud got any better than a normal cure...just smokable quicker.

But to dry the buds, aren't you having to blow your fan on them on high? I mean, you could blow a fan on buds hanging on high for 2 days and dry em quick and then pop em in jars for 2 days and have a 4 day smoke too.

Sorry. I hate coming to your threads and doing nothing but hassle ya, but I'm just being skeptical. I appreciate the fact that you tinker and try out different shit and share it with us. Can't find the next best thang unless ya try.

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Skeptical is good, but I am not blowing a fan on them and the bud in the chamber is way better than hung dry bud (I have samples of both, same strain from same garden) It is not about drying them, it is about fermenting them,,,,there is a huge difference