Balls Out First Grow(Whie Widow Scrog, 430w Son Agro Aircooled, DWC, CO2)

Update: Day 21(week 3)
PH:5.92
PPM:1050
Res Temp: 77F
Rm Temp: 79F
Humidity: 48%

Things are coming along well. It appears I have a slight N deficiency as well as Cal. I have added more to the nutrients when I changed the tub today. This is still the fastest I've ever seen my girls flower. This is usually what they look like at 5 weeks. I also added a 26w 10.0 UVB bulb above one section of the plant. I am hoping to see a noticeable increase in trichome production in this area. I have pretty high hopes since all high uv grows I've seen look frosty as hell. I cut a bunch of clones last night to re-grow my mothers in a spider mite free environment since it is too hard to try to get rid of them on full sized plants. I will try to put pics up of the new veg room tomorrow. Its still missing the 400w for my mothers when they're bigger, but hopefully I'll get that soon. If you have any questions or comments, feel free to leave them. Now...on with the bud porn!

Update Day 26
Ph: 5.96
PPMs: 1050
Temp: 79F
ResTmp:77F
RH: 45%

I am now 26 days into flower and things are going well. The spider mites are still there and are semi under control. Still having problems getting the N dialed in right as you can see by the lighter green lower leaves. It is improving, but not like I'd like it to. My ph has been really cooperative over the last several weeks and I felt I needed to note that. Where ever I set it, it barely moves over several days. going from 5.95 to about 6.0 takes about 4 days. One thing I wonder about though is I usually have 5 more plants going and my ppms drop like mad. I would put 1100 ppm nutrients in and 2 days later, it would be below 800. now I put my nutrients at 1050 and they slowly climb. Is this a problem? Last res started out at 1050 and after a week made it up to 1200. I am starting to see a difference emerging from the uvb bulb. The ones directly under it are considerably further along in trichome production. Its not the they are more dense, but more so, the coverage is greater. More trichs on the fanleaves and to the tips of the smaller leaves. i actually took the time to crop these pics so you could see the trichs. So, On with the pics.

god damn i wish my 1st grow looked like that lol....+rep...beautiful

marijuanaFTW said:

god damn i wish my 1st grow looked like that lol....+rep...beautiful

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Thanks. Technically this is my third. The first actually looked better. If you go through the whole journal, you can see the first(White Widow), then the second(Blue Kush) which died mid flower from a chemical reaction in my nutrients, and the pics above are actually the third(Mango) which is in progress. If you go back and look through it all, its worth it. There's a ton of pics and info.

yeah i read it all lol.....great job

awesome scribed .very detailed i learned a lot thanks keep up the good work

goofygolfer said:

awesome scribed .very detailed i learned a lot thanks keep up the good work

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Thanks. If anyone can learn from my fuck ups and successes then we're winning the battle. Thanks for stopping by.

Update: Day 30(1month)
PH: 6.01
PPM's: 1130
ResTmp: 78F
RmTmp: 80F
Humidity: 40%

Been another good week for the Mango. Starting to bulk up nicely and getting frosty as hell. I changed the res last night, and for the first time the ppms dropped over night instead of raising. Went from 1130 down to 880. Pretty significant drop for a single plant in 12 hrs. Thats the kind of drop I'm used to with 6 plants in the tub. As a result the ph went a little out of control on the high side. When I woke up it was at 7.14, but I corrected it back down to 6.01 over a 4 our period, adding a little down every 30min or so. They are starting to get a little stink to them, but nothing crazy. I haven;t had really strong smell since I started and I credit that to the hydro setup. My buddy grows a lot of the same strains in soil and his shit smells like 10x stronger. Some would argue that's better, but for steathness, its would be nothing but harmful. I dont want people to read this and get the wrong idea. My herb smells srtong and fantastic, but you actually have to smell it. His you can smell through the jar, but I see that as a problem. But enough talking and on with the pics, any uestions or comments, feel free.

Lexodus said:

lol...this is the first and only thread i have opened since being on this site, and this happens to be my 1st post on the site as well.

integra- thanks so much for taking the time and effort to make this thread!!

i have just read through all 30 pages..
sux that you lost that crop man, huge bummer, but learned experience nonetheless

i have some VERY general questions if you dont mind taking the time to answer...
-how much do you estimate you have spent on all your equipment and nutes for this grow op?
-do you have a couple buddies that are helping you with the layout and construction??
-how long did it take you to set up your 'room'?
-on average, how much time do you spend tending to your plants and operation?


thanks again for the info and the time spent.

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Hi there, and thanks for stopping by. Never mind answering questions so here we go...

1st I shopped around and got great prices and also didnt have to pay for my first genetics(White Widow) so the first run cost about $1200.00usd.

2nd I had no help with the design or construction on this entire build except for hanging mylar&poly. I had one friend that grows in soil give me 3 WW seedlings and a 100w Metal Halide light. Put them in the crawl space and started researching various places like Jorge Cervantes and Greg Greens Grow Bibles and started reading on forums just like this. Kinda mixed the best of all that would work in my area into a little room. Building and improving as I went along.

3rd It has obviously been changed around alot over the 9 months I have been doing this and will still change dramatically in the near future. The initial setup took about 3 hours. I started by using insulating foam to seal all of the corners of the room. took 2 cans($10). Used a 10'x10" sheet of blk/wht poly($12) to cover the floor. Then used 1mil Mylar($50) on the walls and ceiling that I hung with a staple gun. Once they were all mounted used a couple of rolls of duct tape($15) to tape all of the seams(floors, corners, ceiling). Then moved on to hanging the 100w mh(free) which you can pick up at home depot for $70. After the light was hung, set up the plants underneath and made a trip to the local grow store and picked up the Technaflora Recipe for Succes kit($33) and put it to use using the mix at 25%&50%. Initial setup complete. After that it was all spread out with a couple of hours here and there making hydro tubs(($195for3GH Airpumps, $30 airstones, $10 airlines+fittings, $15 tubs, $20 hydrotron+3.5"net pots) and then adding the flower room($260 400w light+lumatek ballast+2bulbsmh&hps, $25 Scrog Screen, $20oscillating fan, $30 cool mist humidifier, $12 Thermometer/humidity, $90 Hanna PH pen, $40 squirel cage fan)

4th I spend about 10-20min at a time in there 3-5 times a day, but that much is not nessasary. 5 minutes 3 times a day is doable with one day spending 30min changing tubs and res. but harvest time has been at least a full 8hrs both times with cutting, trimming, hanging, and butter making.

Here's a couple of pics showing the rooms progression:







This timeline really shows how empty my screen is with only 1 plant. Hope you guys enjoyed this. Sorry for the huge post, but I just try to be overly thourgh sometime.

damn... i feel your pain about the crop lost. i had 17 plants in my last crops after i got rid of the males i was left with 13 females. i grew them all to around 5ft but some evil bastard snatch them all 3 days into flowering..... but i have a question and i was hoping u could help me. the seeds i used were just mids i collected around the neighborhood and i need something alot stronger. where did u get the seeds? which company. i just dont want to send my money off and get nothing in return

Nirvanah has pretty good strains at good prices and many people have had great results with them. I am working on their blue mystic right now. My other seeds came from www.marijuana-seeds.nl who I had great luck. got exactly what i wanted from them with some freebies in under 2 weeks. My next seedbank will be some of sannies from http://www.sanniesshop.com/sannies-seeds-c-167.html?osCsid=d58397175c78b7ed8625aae6dbc7a60a. Hope this helps/ all have good prices, great strains, and reliable history. Good luck. Remeber, no mater how good the grow room is, it doesnt mean shit with crappy genetics. best money you can ever spend.

very impressed

jakethetank said:

very impressed

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Thanks alot. Just wait till the next batch gets going.

Ok guy, sorry it has been a little since the last update. I've been busy designing and building a grow room for a buddy. On top of that I been working on the setup for my new flower room and basically did the same for my new veg room including finishing the build minus moving my 400w light room up there for my mothers. I will go into details on those in just a sec. The mango is 51 days into flower and doing well minus the spider mite damage thay are enduring. Sadly I didnt get to take very many pics, but here's a teaser of the update that will hopefully be up tomorrow.


So, well start next with my buddys room. He has an unfinished basement in less that ideal condition. We started by building a 1/2" pvc frame that was 12'wx6'dx5.5'h. We wrapped it with panda film and taped all the seams on both sides with white duct tape, going for a sealed room that will be co2 enriched shortly. Total tent cost $120. Then we hung his light, a 600w lumatek with a xtrasun reflector($270). We hung everything using screw in hooks($7). After the light was hung, we ran 6" insulated flex duct($35) from outside to the light, from the light to an 8" duct booster(free) and then out the other side of the tent. Where you see the lines holding up the duct on the left half is where the other 600w light will also go shortly. We attached all ducts with clamps and then wrapped in white duct tape($20). For looks and reflectiveness we also wrapped the duct work with panda film white side out(free). Next we made a 4'x4' scrog screen out of left over pvc and wire fencing I had laying around(free) and hung it below the light. We then built the dwc tub($200), and placed it under the screen. The tub in the pics was actually changed out tonight for a better one after I took the pics because when I got there, saw how much the sides were flexing outword, and said we had to fix that today. the new tub is slightly smaller and much sturdier($10). The tub is set for 6 plants, but I having him run only 4 for his first run. It is a 17gal hevy duty tub with six 5.5" air discs running off of 2 GH dual Diaphram air pumps. After all of this was in place, we ran the electrical, we had an outlet to run an extention cord to power the lights and fans, but had to add a seperate outlet on it's own breaker for the portable a/c. We simply added a box to the side of the breaker box and put it on its own 20a breaker in an empty slot. Once the power was up, pluged in all the fans and light and tested to make sure they were all working properly and wouldnt trip the breaker. Then we setup the portable a/c and ran the ducts so it wouldnt use room air to cool the compressor and the room would remain sealed for the co2. then were filled the tub and mixed 1/4 strenght nutrients(technaflora set) and dropped in 4 blue kush clones I cut 2 weeks ago. They are currently under a 600w plantmax mh conversion bulb to veg for 3 weeks and then we are switching it out for a hornilux eye enhanced spectrum bulb similar to a Son Agro. The roots are starting to get into their growth groove and I hoping to give you guys good updates on this in the near future. If you have any questions or want more details on the build, feel free to ask. I didnt want to ramble too much. With that being said, here's the pics...I also forgot to mention this whole room is hidden by a wall of cardboard boxes, not the best camo, not my idea either, but definetly better than nothing.





When I wasn;t there working, I was up in my closet, building my veg room. I also made a 3/4"pvc frame and wrapped it in panda film. 6'Wx5'Dx8'H. I used pvc and the old shelves out of the back of the closed to make a table. It stands 3' tall. I plan to use the top for my 6 mothers I am regrowing, and set up for triple clone tubs underneath. When I get my new lights for my flower room, I will be moving that 400w light up top for the mothers. The clones have a 100w mh, and 4 43w 6500k cfl's. At the moment, the room is mite free and has my newly grown Piss mom ready to move to the top shelf. Over the next few weeks I will be germinating new Mango, Blue Mystic, and Mazar moms since I lost them all to mites and the clones died in my first ever organic cloning attempt. I will also be moving my Blue Kush clones up there shortly once I have confirmed they are spider mite free. Here are finally some pics that I promised forever ago....




If you have any questions or comments reguarding this build or growing in general, feel free to ask. I try to to every thing I can to help others and spread the joy of growing. Hope you all enjoyed this update, and there will be another tomorrow with an actual flower update.

Mango Day 54
Ph 5.87
ppm 915
restemp 74F
RmTemp 75F
RH 30%

Ok were 54 days into flower. Almost all of the fan leaves have been lost to spider mites but the buds are still doing very well. I'd guess there's about a week or two left till harvest. Trichomes are going nuts and this stuff is super sticky, Despite this there is almost no smell in the grow room unless I shake the scroon. The old trend has continued where the ppms dont drop at all, but it still seems to like its envorinment. The mites are starting to worry me a bit more than normat since they have started eating on the bud leaves. I may harvest early if the damage increases much more. I dont really plan on giving any of this mite ridden Mango to any friends just cause it dont seem right. I have already cut a couple of samples and dehydrated them so I could see if the little basterds affect the smoke and it was fairly typical for weed cut and dried this way. The only real difference from when I did this with the widow, is even not flushed and dehydrated it had a citris tastes and an even stronger fruity after taste. almost sour. When I flush, I will use molasses water for the first 3 days and ro water for the last 4. and now onto the bud porn...

wow everything looking nice and frosty

Thanks, i give some credit to the strain and agro bulb, but they seem frostier than normal which I believe is from the uvb bulb.

Integra21 said:

Nirvanah has pretty good strains at good prices and many people have had great results with them. I am working on their blue mystic right now. My other seeds came from www.marijuana-seeds.nl who I had great luck. got exactly what i wanted from them with some freebies in under 2 weeks. My next seedbank will be some of sannies from http://www.sanniesshop.com/sannies-seeds-c-167.html?osCsid=d58397175c78b7ed8625aae6dbc7a60a. Hope this helps/ all have good prices, great strains, and reliable history. Good luck. Remeber, no mater how good the grow room is, it doesnt mean shit with crappy genetics. best money you can ever spend.

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do have us delivery

goofygolfer said:

do have us delivery

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all 3 of those sites have great strains and us delivery. Even really good pries. have used all but sannies currently, but my next order will be from them because he is an excelent grower and posts grows with his strains on opengrow, so you can actually see first hand how great they can turn out, not just looking at crappy little single bud pics.

Integra21 said:

all 3 of those sites have great strains and us delivery. Even really good pries. have used all but sannies currently, but my next order will be from them because he is an excelent grower and posts grows with his strains on opengrow, so you can actually see first hand how great they can turn out, not just looking at crappy little single bud pics.

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i looked at sannies , good prices there as well . please let me know how you fare with them ,as i might want to get on board with sannie