Balls Out First Grow(Whie Widow Scrog, 430w Son Agro Aircooled, DWC, CO2)

Integra21

Integra21

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Madonna(day 18) & Hericules(day 3)
Rm Temp 80F
RH 45%
CO2 ppm 1500
PH 5.7-6.1
PPM's 250-350
Res Temp 69-72F






Despite a small nutrient burn during the first week, the Madonna's are doing great. I am hoping they will stretch a little bit more and fill out the screen a little better, but if not I know to just veg them for another 5-7 days. I have never had a strain eat so lightly. I just saw my first real drop in ppm's today. They went from 300 to 140 over night. Previously, they would go from 300 to 240 overnight. The Hericules went in smoothly and seems to be doing fine, I also hope they are a little more stretchy than the Madonnas if they are going to fill out my screen, but only time will tell. If there are an questions or comments, feel free to post them. Thanks for stopping by.
 
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Bob Smith

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Integra21 said:
I actually have a shit ton more seeds than pictured, I haddnt harvested any of the ones out of the ghetto breeding room from my earlier post. I will try to snap a pic of them in all their glory when Im done with the update(working on uploading pics as we speak). I cant believe no one even noticed, I pretty much hit the preverbial number. I was shooting for 1 gram per watt, and ending up with .975 gram per watt is close enough for me. I think once you get shit dialed in right, its not that hard to do actually.
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Great job kid, great job - where does one sign up to be a "tester" for ya? :)

Also, had a favor to ask when you get a second - do you mind taking some pics of your Minigen setup (ESPECIALLY the ball valve/solenoid thingy)? Getting ready to mount mine in a couple of days and I'm not sure what to do with that thing - it's pretty damn heavy (for its size) and I'm not sure if I should mount it or what - truthfully, not really sure how it works.

Long story short, if you wanna show me how you mounted that little guy, that's really all I need.

Oh, and I might fly/drive out there to grab some Blue Kush clones from you.

That's all for now.
 
littlegrower2004

littlegrower2004

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integra- hercules on the left and madonna on the right? if i read the post right it should be like that. i cant believe those girls on the left already have hairs pertruding out for only day 3. is it day three from preflowers or is day 3 period in 12/12? did you start them the same size as the ones on the left or a small amount larger? if they were the same size they have grown alot to fill up that screen in three days. did you say you only run your C02 near the end of flower as well, so thats just natural growth with natural CO2 levels?!(except the added nutrients)
 
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wheeelman

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Good stuff Integra....nice update. I hope to have everything ordered or purchased locally in the next week, then maybe I can start a nice journal like yours! Anyway...keep those updates coming, in the mean time I'm sure I'll hit you up with a few questions throughout my setup process.
 
Integra21

Integra21

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bigsourD said:
sweet, i'm excited for this one!
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Sweet, then stay tuned, should be a good one.
Bob Smith said:
Great job kid, great job - where does one sign up to be a "tester" for ya? :)

Also, had a favor to ask when you get a second - do you mind taking some pics of your Minigen setup (ESPECIALLY the ball valve/solenoid thingy)? Getting ready to mount mine in a couple of days and I'm not sure what to do with that thing - it's pretty damn heavy (for its size) and I'm not sure if I should mount it or what - truthfully, not really sure how it works.

Long story short, if you wanna show me how you mounted that little guy, that's really all I need.

Oh, and I might fly/drive out there to grab some Blue Kush clones from you.

That's all for now.
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Hooking it up is simple. I just took and added a barb attachment to my existing water pipe and and then used reinforced rubber hose and clamps to hook from the water to the valve and to the minigen.

pot scott said:
aye aye aye ok
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OK. Thanks for stopping in.
littlegrower2004 said:
integra- hercules on the left and madonna on the right? if i read the post right it should be like that. i cant believe those girls on the left already have hairs pertruding out for only day 3. is it day three from preflowers or is day 3 period in 12/12? did you start them the same size as the ones on the left or a small amount larger? if they were the same size they have grown alot to fill up that screen in three days. did you say you only run your C02 near the end of flower as well, so thats just natural growth with natural CO2 levels?!(except the added nutrients)
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It is hericules on the right and Madonna on the left(bigger plants) and they are the ones that are 18 days in. And I run my co2 from start to finish now that its working.
 
littlegrower2004

littlegrower2004

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integra- sorry about the mix up, the 8 on the day 18 on your previous post came up as a smiley face with sunglasses so i thought it was day 1 and day 3. now that we got that settled i understand why that left side has done so well in filling the screen and producing its first flowers. looking good, ill be waiting until next week for another update!
 
Integra21

Integra21

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wheeelman said:
What size are your net pots?
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I use 3" heavy duty net pots with matching neoprene inserts.
littlegrower2004 said:
integra- sorry about the mix up, the 8 on the day 18 on your previous post came up as a smiley face with sunglasses so i thought it was day 1 and day 3. now that we got that settled i understand why that left side has done so well in filling the screen and producing its first flowers. looking good, ill be waiting until next week for another update!
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No biggie, glad you got it strait now. Just for a refrence, here is Madonna on day 1 of flower

A couple of weeks and she filled out pretty good, but I was couting on more stretch.
Bob Smith said:
Thank you kindly, sir.
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No prob Bob, any time.
 
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DST

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It's quite astounding the you get those girls to fill out the screen Interga! Fantastic stuff! When you harvest these girls stick this photo up as well, that'll be cool.

Have a good un mate.

DST
 
#1Raiderfan420

#1Raiderfan420

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Bro, I really can't get over how much growth you get during flower man to fill out that screen. I have to veg 6 weeks to fill up my screen with 6 plants. I am really in awe of your how dialed in you have everything.
 
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wheeelman

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What is the height of your light above your plants? Is it possible they fill out so well do to stretching or is it strictly the additional veg while the plant physiologically switches to flower? I guess it also depends on the genetics since those blue kush seems to fill the screen best?
 
Integra21

Integra21

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wheeelman said:
What is the height of your light above your plants? Is it possible they fill out so well do to stretching or is it strictly the additional veg while the plant physiologically switches to flower? I guess it also depends on the genetics since those blue kush seems to fill the screen best?
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Its the flower stretch. I read a real good article about it somewhere but couldnt find it to give a link. But basically what it said is that every strain has a predetermined minimal size it will grow to no mater when its flowered as long as it's established(has a good set of roots growing and new growth is started) It also works much better with clones than seeds because of the plant maturity. If you search around, this phenomenom is well documented and easily repeated. Thats why when you see my grow, the size I flower my clones(usually about 6") most people wouldnt expect my plants to get any bigger than 2x-3x that size which would be pretty small plants. but instead my grow to 4x-8x of their original size. But that all depends on the genetics. Out of all of mine so far, the Blue Kush does this the best. It generally grows from very small clones to monsters in about 3 weeks and usually puts me borderline of over filling my screen.
 
bob80

bob80

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Integra21 said:
Its the flower stretch. I read a real good article about it somewhere but couldnt find it to give a link. But basically what it said is that every strain has a predetermined minimal size it will grow to no mater when its flowered as long as it's established(has a good set of roots growing and new growth is started) It also works much better with clones than seeds because of the plant maturity. If you search around, this phenomenom is well documented and easily repeated. Thats why when you see my grow, the size I flower my clones(usually about 6") most people wouldnt expect my plants to get any bigger than 2x-3x that size which would be pretty small plants. but instead my grow to 4x-8x of their original size. But that all depends on the genetics. Out of all of mine so far, the Blue Kush does this the best. It generally grows from very small clones to monsters in about 3 weeks and usually puts me borderline of over filling my screen.
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Nice, great info. I was wondering do you train the plant as soon as you go into flowering, as it starts stretching you weave it outwards right ? thanks.
 
Integra21

Integra21

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bob80 said:
Nice, great info. I was wondering do you train the plant as soon as you go into flowering, as it starts stretching you weave it outwards right ? thanks.
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correct. most of the time they arent even touching the screen when iflip the lights, but as soon as they touch, istart laying them down
 
Sgt. Pepper

Sgt. Pepper

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Nice show Integra21! :clap: Nice show indeed. I may have to utilize your technique. Ive read a lot of threads on various forums over the last 18 months and this IMHO, is among the best I've come across. The pics are awesome, the info is fantastic & your results are just amazing. I'm pulling up a Lazy-Boy for this one. Keep up the great work.

I've recently found a WW pheno that stretches like crazy that I think would benefit from scrog. I started flowering it @ 10" figuring it would only stretch the normal 2-3 times I've been used to. But now after 4 weeks under 2 400 watters, it's 55" and I've got shoots galore. I actually had to kill off 2 other plants just to make room her. My current room is 4'6"x5'6"x6'8".

So I'm going to build a bigger room, get bigger & better lights and give scrog a try.

Thanks for sharing your grow with the rest of us. +rep
 
Integra21

Integra21

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Madonna Day 23 of 12/12(left side)& Hericules Day 9 of 12/12(right side)
Rm Temp: 79F
RH: 40%
co2 ppm:1500
ResTemp: 68-72F
Ph:5.4-6.7
ppm:180-350
ResChange:Every 24hrs.(daily)

Hericules




Madonna
















And here is a final shot of the seed stash


 
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firebat01

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Looks amazing. I know someone who has got the same problem with leaves turning yellow and dying during flowering. I don't know what it is. The bud is fine and leaves within the buds and colas are still very green. Tric are nice and heavy. I guess energy is going into tric and overall bud production.
 
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