Bagseed First Grow

First grow with an ebb and flow system I bought from a local shop.

Flouros for light.
Jack's Classic,MagiCal, H2O2, and a small dose of super thrive in aerated tap water.
Hydroton rooting medium
PH hovers around 6.6
Combonation of nutes is right at 1,000 ppm.
They are about 3 weeks old.
Ive got a small fan tunneling air between my fluoro tubes and the expanded clay, swaying my plants slightly.
tallest plant is 5ish inches, with lights around 1 inch above it.
Im watering them 3 times a day for 30 minutes during lights on which is currently 12/12 for the last 2 days because I didn't want them to get so big my flouros couldn't handle them.

I understand that Jack's Classic is for soil, now. I didn't know this when I initially made the purchase. They've grown this long on them, so there must be something good about it.

With your help I'm learning from my mistakes so that I will eventually that the money it takes to invest in a quality set-up, namely the right nutes. I just want to get one under my belt before I throw it all out and start over.

I genuinely appreciate any help that anyone cares to offer.

My problem is, all new growth is neon yellow, while leaves lower down are drooping. I wouldn't go so far as to say wilting, but they aren't as perky as they were just last week.

I will try to upload pics as soon as I get to a computer, but I'm currently on an iPad, and can't figure out how to upload them from here.

Thanks again for your time and advice.

This is the best I can do picture wise. I'm not sure if anyone else can see them, but if I hold down on them with my iPhone, it will let me copy them and paste them elsewhere for viewing.

Thanks

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Your pictures aren't visible.

Anyone know how to make them visible with an iPhone or iPad?

You run the Broncos without a computer?...lol

Can you access the management attachment feature here under advanced, or are you trying to post as a link?.

Sunbiz1 said:

You run the Broncos without a computer?...lol

Can you access the management attachment feature here under advanced, or are you trying to post as a link?.

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Imagine how good we'd be with Timmy under center and a PC.

The upload attachment thing is set up to follow a directory to the file on a PC. Same with most other sites I could upload them too. I can't be the first person trying to upload a photo with an iPhone or iPad on RIU. I'm just scared my plants will be dead by the time I figure out how to post a picture of them.

Thanks.

And finally the pictures. I know they look terrible, but bear with me. I'd be happy to get anything at all out of them at this point.

Thanks

Please help!

I am a very new grower but from what you wrote, your ph should be 5.7-6.1 and for 3 week old plants your ppms should only be half of that I would think. My plants are 3 weeks into flowering and they can't handle ppm's over 800. I feed my plants 15 mins every 8 hours. Seems to work for me. Hope some of this helps.

OldLuck said:

I am a very new grower but from what you wrote, your ph should be 5.7-6.1 and for 3 week old plants your ppms should only be half of that I would think. My plants are 3 weeks into flowering and they can't handle ppm's over 800. I feed my plants 15 mins every 8 hours. Seems to work for me. Hope some of this helps.

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Thanks for the help Old. I thought maybe they were getting An abundance of nutes too, but my smaller plants seem to be less affected, leading me to believe its actually a deficiency. Bigger plants need more nutes right? Makes sense in my head anyway.

I made some corrections to my Ph and actually stepped up the watering schedule. The plants that were effected with the yellow leaves are getting greener.

I really appreciate the help, and good luck on your grow. I checked it out. Sorry to hear about all the males, but your females look nice. I'd love to have a setup like yours.

I would be carefull now that your Ph is correct if you still have them at 1000ppm they might just burn. You had nutrient lockout before which is why they looked deficient, now that the Ph is correct you wont have nutrient lockout happening and the high ppm might start to burn them. I think if you bring the PPM down to 800 and Ph to 5.8, they will be looking alot better a week from now.

Thedillestpickle said:

I would be carefull now that your Ph is correct if you still have them at 1000ppm they might just burn. You had nutrient lockout before which is why they looked deficient, now that the Ph is correct you wont have nutrient lockout happening and the high ppm might start to burn them. I think if you bring the PPM down to 800 and Ph to 5.8, they will be looking alot better a week from now.

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That makes a lot of sense. I've lurked around this forum for months studying up, trying to learn as much as I could before actually starting my first grow. Funny how all that knowledge I gained vanishes once my own plants start turning funny colors.

Theyre lights out right now, but I'm going to do a clean water flush to remove all the junk I've been shoving in it, and change out my res with you and old's prescribed dosage and ph, when the lights come on.

Thanks for taking time to refresh my memory.

Hopefully were steering you in the right direction. Me you and OldLuck are all in our first grow. not that I think this invalidates our advice, because Ive been doing a rediculous amount of research in the last couple months. I just looked at the pictures again and realized a mistake I made. Youve got some really tiny plants there that I didnt even notice until now. 800ppm will probably kill them. Your going to have to make a compromise of trying to ween the little ones up while letting the bigger ones go a bit hungry. 500ppm might be a good balance. Keep in mind that the smaller plants are probably stunted and may never grow properly

Thedillestpickle said:

Hopefully were steering you in the right direction. Me you and OldLuck are all in our first grow. not that I think this invalidates our advice, because Ive been doing a rediculous amount of research in the last couple months. I just looked at the pictures again and realized a mistake I made. Youve got some really tiny plants there that I didnt even notice until now. 800ppm will probably kill them. Your going to have to make a compromise of trying to ween the little ones up while letting the bigger ones go a bit hungry. 500ppm might be a good balance. Keep in mind that the smaller plants are probably stunted and may never grow properly

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Im just worried that we're all getting a little too hung up on the PPM. Under normal circumstances, PPM and Ph are the two most valuable tools in the arsenal of plant diagnosis, but that is under normal circumstances when the dumbass grower didn't try to run a hydro set-up with soil nutes. You know what I mean? It just seems like we are comparing apples to oranges.

I promise you the next purchase for my garden will be a ph pen and the right nutes, but it's going to be a minute.

The filling a vial "half-full" of water and adding 3-5 drops of testing solution seems so imperfect for testing ph, especially considering I'm color blind, haha. The gf says its in the desired range, but I wonder how often she says that just so I will quit interrupting Golden Girls or whatever else it is they play on LifeTime and the Hallmark Channel.

I hope you guys don't beat me up over my inadaquecies, but after scouring these pages for months, and seeing all the successful grows with half-ass attempts, I was lulled into thinking it was easy.

I appreciate the input, and I still plan on heeding your advice.

I jumped into my grow really quick, Just moved into a new apartment december 2nd and I had my seeds germinated and sprouting by december 4th. Im just trying to keep up with the plants now, and stay a step ahead of things. I started off with a Ph test kit exactly like the one you just described and Im not colour blind, but I found it was useless to me. I immediately went and bought Ph pen instead and now I actually know what the Ph is. I tested a sample that I had guessed was 5.8 using my colour kit and it read out 6.7 on the Ph Pen. Without the pen my plant would likely be dead by now.

I didnt understand what you were saying about how were confusing apples and oranges or something. Your Ph should be somewhere close to 5.8, so we know that much, now the question we have to ask is how much PPM should we be giving the plants? As long as everything else is being done correctly, this should be the only question you really have to ask. I dont think we can be getting "too hung up" on PPM. Choosing the right ppm is whats either going to kill your plants or save them. I said 800 before but I think 500ppm might be a much better concentration, deficiency is better than burn. You should have a ppm meter as well. Good luck

Thedillestpickle said:

I jumped into my grow really quick, Just moved into a new apartment december 2nd and I had my seeds germinated and sprouting by december 4th. Im just trying to keep up with the plants now, and stay a step ahead of things. I started off with a Ph test kit exactly like the one you just described and Im not colour blind, but I found it was useless to me. I immediately went and bought Ph pen instead and now I actually know what the Ph is. I tested a sample that I had guessed was 5.8 using my colour kit and it read out 6.7 on the Ph Pen. Without the pen my plant would likely be dead by now.

I didnt understand what you were saying about how were confusing apples and oranges or something. Your Ph should be somewhere close to 5.8, so we know that much, now the question we have to ask is how much PPM should we be giving the plants? As long as everything else is being done correctly, this should be the only question you really have to ask. I dont think we can be getting "too hung up" on PPM. Choosing the right ppm is whats either going to kill your plants or save them. I said 800 before but I think 500ppm might be a much better concentration, deficiency is better than burn. You should have a ppm meter as well. Good luck

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I guess "getting too hung up on PPM" was about the worst way I could have written that. I was just trying to verify that the PPMs should be the same no matter what nutes I was using. I can't put it into words, but does it makes sense that a powdered nutrient intended to be used in a soil application should be measured to the same ppm as a liquid nutrient intended for a hydro application?

Either way, I followed your advice, and am patiently awaiting the results. Thanks again for the continued support and advice. Best of luck with your grow as well.

Do you know what the NPK rating of your nutrients is? Im assuming that your using synthetic nutrients, in which case so long as the NPK is in the right range then you should be able to roughly use ppm as a guide to how much to use. Some synthetic nutrient mixes work best at slightly higher or slightly lower ppm than others but its close enough to use ppm as a guide. If your not using synthetic nutrients I would recommend getting yourselt to a hydro store asap and buying a PH pen, a ppm meter, and a well trusted line of synthetic hydroponic nutrients formulated for cannabis. unfortunately your going to need a decent wad of cash to do this. Id also recommend going to a dollar store and buying a bunch of shot-glasses because they are handy for pouring out small amount of nutrients. Youll need an accurate way to measure your nutrients in mililetres and for this a small 10ml medicine syringe works great. They give them away for free at the pharmacy.

If you can pull all that together without too much delay your plants should recover

when you get your new nutrients(if you decide to), if its a good brand you should be able to go online and find a chart that shows you exactly how much ppm is recommended during the different phases of the plants life. Be carefull because often the numbers on the chart are much higher than what your plants will actually be able to handle so dont follow it too closely. Your plants are also not quite into the vegetative phase yet and I would still consider them "seedlings", which means they cant really handle too much ppm's

Hopefully they will recover without being permanently stunted

I've pretty well decided to chalk this one up as a loss, while hanging on to see what happens. My nutrients are wrong and my PH is probably still off. The only thing I really have going for me is my persistence not to just throw in the towel on growing altogether. I have a ppm meter, plenty of shot glasses and boat loads of seeds. I just need a ph pen and the right nutes. I'm sure Jack's Classic can be used in hydro, but I don't think it's something someone should attempt on their first grow.

Again, I plan on riding this grow out as long as it shows signs of life, and I also plan on posting updates should a miraculous recovery take place. I look for them all to be dead, or so badly disfigured, by payday that I have already started germing seeds.

I was quick to pat myself of the back early in my grow, because they looked so healthy and alive during the first two weeks, although I've since realized I had very little to do with that. Seeds are created to germinate and sustain themselves for a few weeks until they're able to get the correct nutrients. I failed to provide tthem with those nutrients, or with an avenue to recover them, thus leading to the problem at hand.

I still appreciate your support, and can tell that you are rooting for me. I love the synergy provided by RIU, and will continue to visit during future grows. I hope to one day to become knowledgeable enough to weigh in on folks problems, just like you have in recent days. Your advice has been invaluable, and I truly appreciate it.