Bachmann wins straw poll in Iowa

Johnnyorganic

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Dude you are totally missing my point. As with many other vaccines that are pushed by the FDA; the HPV vaccine has a lot of questions and it's true benefits and risks are not truly known. Why would the government be needed to push a vaccine that is so beneficial anyways? Don't you think your doctor would do that?

Perry is bought by lobbyists apparently.
Finally, I was not saying there was force with an opt out, I was stating that if there was no opt out it would violate human rights, therefore an opt out clause is not a conservative thing to do, it is the only right and just thing to do. Conservative would be to let the doctors decide what is a good drug and a bad drug and decide who needs to take it for their health. Politicians don't know shit, but they sure are willing to do it anyways.

Maybe if you actually read what I said rather than skimming it you it wouldn't be so hard for you to understand my point. Is THAT so hard to fathom?
I did not miss your point.

Your point depended on Canadian stats, which have NO BEARING on public health in the State of Texas.

And the fact that there is an opt-out is consistent with Conservative principles, which value the individual.

A point which obviously escapes you.

A point too hard for YOU too fathom apparently.
 

sync0s

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I did not miss your point.

Your point depended on Canadian stats, which have NO BEARING on public health in the State of Texas.

And the fact that there is an opt-out is consistent with Conservative principles, which value the individual.

A point which obviously escapes you.

A point too hard for YOU too fathom apparently.
Fine, fuck Canada:

http://www.cogforlife.org/gardasilNVIC.htm said:
Washington, D.C. - The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is calling on the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to just say "no" on June 29 to recommending "universal use" of Merck's Gardasil vaccine in all pre-adolescent girls. NVIC maintains that Merck's clinical trials did not prove the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine designed to prevent cervical cancer and genital warts is safe to give to young girls.

"Merck and the FDA have not been completely honest with the people about the pre-licensure clinical trials," said NVIC president Barbara Loe Fisher. "Merck's pre and post-licensure marketing strategy has positioned mass use of this vaccine by pre-teens as a morality play in order to avoid talking about the flawed science they used to get it licensed. This is not just about teenagers having sex, it is also about whether Gardasil has been proven safe and effective for little girls."

The FDA allowed Merck to use a potentially reactive aluminum containing placebo as a control for most trial participants, rather than a non-reactive saline solution placebo.[1] A reactive placebo can artificially increase the appearance of safety of an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial. Gardasil contains 225 mcg of aluminum and, although aluminum adjuvants have been used in vaccines for decades, they were never tested for safety in clinical trials. Merck and the FDA did not disclose how much aluminum was in the placebo.[2]

Animal and human studies have shown that aluminum can cause nerve cell death [3] and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum to enter the brain, [4 5] as well as cause inflammation at the injection site leading to chronic joint and muscle pain and fatigue. [6 7] Nearly 90 percent of Gardasil recipients and 85 percent of aluminum placebo recipients followed-up for safety reported one or more adverse events within 15 days of vaccination, particularly at the injection site.[8] Pain and swelling at injection site occurred in approximately 83 percent of Gardasil and 73 percent of aluminum placebo recipients. About 60 percent of those who got Gardasil or the aluminum placebo had systemic adverse events including headache, fever, nausea, dizziness, vomiting, diarrhea, myalgia. [9 10] Gardasil recipients had more serious adverse events such as headache, gastroenteritis, appendicitis, pelvic inflammatory disease, asthma, bronchospasm and arthritis.

"Merck and the FDA do not reveal in public documents exactly how many 9 to 15 year old girls were in the clinical trials, how many of them received hepatitis B vaccine and Gardasil simultaneously, and how many of them had serious adverse events after being injected with Gardasil or the aluminum placebo. For example, if there were less than 1,000 little girls actually injected with three doses of Gardasil, it is important to know how many had serious adverse events and how long they were followed for chronic health problems, such as juvenile arthritis."

According to the Merck product manufacturer insert, there was 1 case of juvenile arthritis, 2 cases of rheumatoid arthritis, 5 cases of arthritis, and 1 case of reactive arthritis out of 11,813 Gardasil recipients plus 1 case of lupus and 2 cases of arthritis out of 9,701 participants primarily receiving an aluminum containing placebo. Clinical trial investigators dismissed most of the 102 Gardasil and placebo associated serious adverse events, including 17 deaths, that occurred in the clinical trials as unrelated.

"There is too little long term safety and efficacy data, especially in young girls, and too little labeling information on contraindications for the CDC to recommend Gardasil for universal use, which is a signal for states to mandate it," said Fisher. "Nobody at Merck, the CDC or FDA know if the injection of Gardasil into all pre-teen girls - especially simultaneously with hepatitis B vaccine - will make some of them more likely to develop arthritis or other inflammatory autoimmune and brain disorders as teenagers and adults. With cervical cancer causing about one percent of all cancer deaths in American women due to routine pap screening, it was inappropriate for the FDA to fast track Gardasil. It is way too early to direct all young girls to get three doses of a vaccine that has not been proven safe or effective in their age group."

The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), founded in 1982 by parents of vaccine injured children, has been a leading critic of one-size-fits-all mass vaccination policies and the lack of basic science research into biological mechanisms and high risk factors for vaccine-induced brain and immune system dysfunction. As a member of the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC), Barbara Loe Fisher urged trials include adequate safety data on pre-adolescent children and warned against fast tracking Gardasil at the November 28-29, 2001 VRBPAC meeting ..[11]
Plenty of sources cited on that link.

I give up on the rest.
 

VTXDave

Well-Known Member
...how she won the straw poll I honestly don't know...
Bread and Circuses. Americans don't care about issues as long as they're entertained....
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A stirring in the GOP field? Hmmm....forgive me if I withhold my "exuberance" for awhile. I don't believe Republicans are capable of thinking for themselves without their TV's and Faux News (not that the freakin' brain dead Dems are any better sucking Obama's dick).

We're fucked...and we love our masters for it.
 

MuyLocoNC

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As I've been saying for months now, it's gonna be a Perry/Rubio ticket and they beat Obama by 4-6 points. Congress will stay in the control of the Repubs, still up in the air about the Senate.

Mark it down, put it in "the book" Perry/Rubio 2012. Not my first choice, but that's the way it's gonna be.
 

Smirgen

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<H2 class=title>How Michele Bachmann Bought the Ames Straw Poll
Posted by Paul Krugman on August 14th, 2011
Headlines on FoxNews, CNN, MSNBC, and all over the web should have been “Randy Travis Wins Ames Straw Poll Edging out Ron Paul” instead of headlines which touted Congresswoman Michele Bachmann’s victory.
Bachmann spent upwards of $1 million, paid for over 6000 tickets, paid for Grammy Award winning, country musician Randy Travis to show up, and bussed in Randy Travis fans in order to secure 152 more votes than Congressman Ron Paul. Michele Bachmann’s camp handed out flyers, which stated that in order to see the entertainment, you had to vote for her first. Here is an image of the flyer that was around Ames,

While Bachmann gave out over 6000 tickets(worth $180,000 at $30 each), she received ~4800 votes, so 20% of those who she bought tickets for voted for other candidates. A country concert, a ride to that concert, and various other free stuff is a great deal for a simple vote.
Though she may have won the Ames Straw Poll, Bachmann will not be able to bus in country music fans for a free show for a vote scheme at the Iowa Caucus in 2012. As Joe Scarborough put it, “She is a joke. Her candidacy is a joke.”
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^Just another reason not to take a straw poll too seriously.:lol:
 

BendBrewer

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^^^^^ That's the closeted homo that thinks a person is only gay if they ACT on their homosexual fantasies. Hey Mr Bachmann, if you think about sucking other guys' dicks, I have some news for you whether you actually suck a dick or not.
 
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