Bachmann wins straw poll in Iowa

[tryingtogrow89]

RP can surmount.

 

[BendBrewer]

RP can surmount.

Ok, but I have heard that before..............

 

[tet1953]

Well I'm not a Republican so I won't be voting in the primary, but if RP does get the nomination, he'll get my vote in the general.

What the hell, I go for gut shot draws on the river all the time lol

 

[dukeanthony]

Only thing Good about Ron Paul is He wants to legalize Pot and he is honest

If he wasn't honest we wouldn't know about his Nutty Ideas

 

[tet1953]

hey Barney Frank wants to legalize pot too!

Barney Frank for president! lol can u imagine

And you know what? I'd take him over Bachmann, Palin, Perry or any other Republican (other than RP)

 

[londonfog]

Somethings I hear Ron Paul say I'm like YES YES YES..then others I'm like Hell NO GRANPA...

 

[tet1953]

Somethings I hear Ron Paul say I'm like YES YES YES..then others I'm like Hell NO GRANPA...

I hear ya LF. But even if I don't agree with everything he says, and he does have some whacky ideas, he is someone I can trust. I can't say that about many in DC.

 

[tryingtogrow89]

Ok, but I have heard that before..............

This is why we cant just sit back and do nothing, we must crumble the establishment.

 

[sync0s]

Perry's Executive Order relating to HPV vaccinations included an opt-out provision.

That changes nothing. Government should not be encouraging vaccination. That's your doctors job.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

That changes nothing. Government should not be encouraging vaccination. That's your doctors job.

The Executive Order was not mandatory thanks to the opt-out.

You claim that changes NOTHING.

The states can do pretty much what they want when it comes to public health.

Don't like it? Move to West Virginia.

 

[sync0s]

The Executive Order was not mandatory thanks to the opt-out.

You claim that changes NOTHING.

The states can do pretty much what they want when it comes to public health.

Don't like it? Move to West Virginia.

Well oookaayyy. Angry reaction?

I'm not from Texas so I don't care. I was saying it's not a very conservative policy.

When it comes to the public health comment, what if a lunatic doctor made a case that we should vaccinate all children with herpes because of some far out medical "benefit?" Would that be okay?

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Well oookaayyy. Angry reaction?

I'm not from Texas so I don't care. I was saying it's not a very conservative policy.

When it comes to the public health comment, what if a lunatic doctor made a case that we should vaccinate all children with herpes because of some far out medical "benefit?" Would that be okay?

Does the science back it up?

Because it did with the HPV thing.

Anyway, there was an OPT-OUT!

Which is very Conservative.

 

[tet1953]

I would not have a problem with the state requiring immunization for certain, highly contagious and dangerous diseases (such as measles) in order to attend public school. I would be comfortable with it having opt out only for a demonstrable medical reason. It is a matter of public safety in my mind.

 

[londonfog]

JohnnyO now a Perry man... Hey I would like to see a Perry vs Obama ..Now are you going to stick with Perry ??? don't go changing on us again..

 

[Johnnyorganic]

JohnnyO now a Perry man... Hey I would like to see a Perry vs Obama ..Now are you going to stick with Perry ??? don't go changing on us again..

What change?

I have not committed to any candidate.

Or are you not paying ATTENTION?

There is a HUGE issue which could possibly cripple a Perry candidacy. I am not happy with it, and I might not be able to get past it.

But I have not seen any of you you Proggies bring it up as yet.

No hints.

 

[DelSlow]

What change?

I have not committed to any candidate.

Or are you not paying ATTENTION?

There is a HUGE issue which could possibly cripple a Perry candidacy. I am not happy with it, and I might not be able to get past it.

But I have not seen any of you you Proggies bring it up as yet.

No hints.

....his haircut? j/k j/k

 

[londonfog]

What change?

I have not committed to any candidate.

Or are you not paying ATTENTION?

There is a HUGE issue which could possibly cripple a Perry candidacy. I am not happy with it, and I might not be able to get past it.

But I have not seen any of you you Proggies bring it up as yet.

No hints.

oh sorry ...Well how long you going to sit on those fences ??? Cain ??? Bachmann ??? Perry ??? what say you..not too many good choice uh..I guess you can just root for whoever goes aganst Obama..lol

 

[sync0s]

Does the science back it up?

Because it did with the HPV thing.

Anyway, there was an OPT-OUT!

Which is very Conservative.

Interesting. Like I said, leave it up to the doctors to decide:

A group of Canadian public health professionals says there remain a number of unanswered questions about the HPV vaccine and that a universal vaccination program in Canada "is premature and could have unintended negative consequences." Abby Lippman, a professor of epidemiology at McGill University, and colleagues, conducted a review of the current literature on the HPV the vaccine and summarize their conclusions in an editorial in the Canadian Medical Association Journal.
They found that while it appears that the vaccine is highly effective in preventing infection with HPV types 16 and 18 (currently thought to be the cause of about 70% of cervical cancer cases), it's still not clear whether reducing such infections will translate into fewer cervical cancer deaths in the long run.
They note that rates of deaths from cervical cancer had been dropping in Canada for years anyway, because of the widespread availability of publicly-funded programs for Pap smear testing.
They also note that there are many gaps in knowledge about the vaccine:

• It's not clear for how long the vaccine will be effective;
• or whether a booster shot will be needed in later years;
• and there is also a lack of data, they say, on the effectiveness of the HPV vaccine when given at the same time as other immunizations.

They also wonder whether a mass HPV vaccination program will lead to reductions in safer sex practices and Pap screening rates.
And they note that relatively few girls aged 9 to 15 years were enrolled in the clinical trials of Gardasil and the youngest of whom were followed for only 18 months. Yet girls in this age group represent the priority target population for mass vaccination.
And, they note, all of the reported HPV vaccine trials, whether of Gardasil or its potential competitor Cervarix, were funded in whole or in part by the vaccine's manufacturer.
Noting that Gardasil is the most expensive childhood vaccine proposed for mass use (it currently costs $404 for the 3 required doses), the authors point out that there haven't been any cost-effectiveness analyses to determine whether the proposed vaccination programs will result in fewer cancer deaths.
The authors provide some general recommendations for the development of a mass HPV vaccination program, including a call for government to educate the public about the realities of cervical cancer, HPV infection and HPV vaccinations, and to support unbiased research to collect the data now missing.
"It is time to take a breath and reflect on what we know and what we don't know, and to develop a plan based on solid, reliable evidence that adds value for everyone," the authors write.
"Individual girls and women, as well as policy-makers, can make truly informed decisions about vaccinations only when they have all the evidence, and today, there are more questions than answers."

^^Even statist Canadians don't think it should be done.

Opt-out is not a conservative thing, it should be required on the fundamentals of human rights. Forcing vaccinations not only removes your will to choose your own quality of life and medical regiments, but it also infringes on freedom of religion.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Interesting. Like I said, leave it up to the doctors to decide:

^^Even statist Canadians don't think it should be done.

Opt-out is not a conservative thing, it should be required on the fundamentals of human rights. Forcing vaccinations not only removes your will to choose your own quality of life and medical regiments, but it also infringes on freedom of religion.

A Canadian study has no bearing on a Texas issue.

Although you did not include a link, I will take your word for it.

So to reinforce my point, I will use your own non-sourced quote.

They note that rates of deaths from cervical cancer had been dropping in Canada for years anyway, because of the widespread availability of publicly-funded programs for Pap smear testing.

One more thing. There is NO FORCE with an opt-out.

Is that so hard to fathom?

 

[sync0s]

A Canadian study has no bearing on a Texas issue.

Although you did not include a link, I will take your word for it.

So to reinforce my point, I will use your own non-sourced quote.
One more thing. There is NO FORCE with an opt-out.

Is that so hard to fathom?

Dude you are totally missing my point. As with many other vaccines that are pushed by the FDA; the HPV vaccine has a lot of questions and it's true benefits and risks are not truly known. Why would the government be needed to push a vaccine that is so beneficial anyways? Don't you think your doctor would do that?

Under pressure from parents and medical groups Merck has announced Tuesday that they will end their lobbying campaign on state legislatures to make their new HPV vaccine mandatory for young girls. Merck has been criticized for quietly funding the campaign, via a third party, to require 11- and 12-year-old girls get the three-dose vaccine in order to attend school.
According to a report in the Wall Street Journal Merck's "aggressive lobbying campaign" was designed to boost sales of the new vaccine Gardasil. Merck stated that the lobbying had become a distraction from their goals of immunizing women because of the backlash among physicians, consumer advocates, parents and even legislators. The aggressive lobbying, however, provided sales in total of $235 million through the end of 2006, according to Merck.
Many opposed the vaccine becoming mandatory in schools, though 20 states have already been considering the vaccine, many for girls not yet in the sixth grade. Some of the opposition comes from those who feel that a vaccine against a sexually transmitted disease has no place in the public school system. Most mandatory vaccines are for preventing communicable diseases, however HPV is only spread through sexual contact. Some parents feel that making this vaccine mandatory infringes upon their parental rights. U.S. Rep. Phil Gingrey, R-Ga., introduced into Congress the Parental Right to Decide Protection Act that would "prohibits federal funds from being used to implement mandatory state human-papillomavirus (HPV) vaccination programs."

Perry is bought by lobbyists apparently.
Finally, I was not saying there was force with an opt out, I was stating that if there was no opt out it would violate human rights, therefore an opt out clause is not a conservative thing to do, it is the only right and just thing to do. Conservative would be to let the doctors decide what is a good drug and a bad drug and decide who needs to take it for their health. Politicians don't know shit, but they sure are willing to do it anyways.


Maybe if you actually read what I said rather than skimming it you it wouldn't be so hard for you to understand my point. Is THAT so hard to fathom?