Arizona Growers Thread

[BeaverHuntr]

You can have tobacco at the age of 16 and not get into trouble but have to 18 to purchase... Same shit....

It is the law....

yeah but it doesnt make any fucking sense ... I forgot about that law I remember in 10th grade my friend got sited at metro center mall by a cop for smoking ..lol

 

[BeaverHuntr]

I would recommend NEVER doing a notarized contract....

So next time you want to trade meds or clones MAKE sure you get a Notarized Contract to cover your own ass.... Its a JOKE bro..... Look into the laws and your answers are there... Do take any ones word for it... Not even MINE.. Just look up the Arizona Revised Statues NOT on a blog or forum....

So if myself or anyone for that matter wanted to sell a firearm would you suggest a cash and carry?? Right now guns are the only good investment to make they dont depreciate.

 

[irieie]

DUDE dont start... I read what you wrote... And you are claiming it is a MUST to get a notarized contract for a PRIVATE transaction

first of all i said nothing about needing to get anything notarized go back and read the quotes. what i said is that it is not the law but if you wanna cover you ass from prosecution of a crime committed with a gun you sold or bought then you should get a written contract. please show me the quote where i said what you are claiming above. and furthermore if you think that the guns you buy can not be trcaed then you are exhibiting even more of your ignorance. here read this:

Firearm Registration Scheme #1 - The Existing National Registration System

Note: National Firearms Act weapons (such as full-auto firearms) are handled differently from the following discussion, and require a more stringent registration and purchasing procedure. (See the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, National Firearms Act FAQ.)

The following regulations were established by the Gun Control Act of 1968.

People engaged in selling firearms as a business must have a federal firearms license (FFL). Individuals and collectors are allowed to sell and trade their firearms without this license, but it is illegal to earn a living selling firearms without it. When purchasing a firearm from an FFL, a Form 4473 (also known as the "Yellow Form") and Form 77 must be filled out. The dealer must also record the sale in his bound-book (similar to a transaction log). (Form 77 was not established by this law, but is an effort by licensed firearms dealers to promote safety and lessen dealer liability.)

The Form 4473 contains the name, address, driver license information, NICS background check transaction number, serial number and model of the firearm, and a short federal affidavit stating that the purchaser is eligible to purchase firearms under federal law. Lying on this form is a felony and can be punished by up to five years in prison in addition to fines, even if the transaction is denied by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).

The Form 77 is a short form indicating that the purchaser of the weapon is knowledgeable about the function of the weapon and basic safety rules. The purchaser must also attest that the dealer has explained these rules such that the customer understood them.

The dealer must keep the Form 4473 for twenty years and is subject to inspection by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF or just ATF). The dealer also records all information from the form 4473 into his bound-book. A dealer must keep this log the entire time he is in business and is required to surrender the log to the ATF upon retirement from the firearms business.

In addition, the sale of two or more handguns within five days to the same person must be reported to the ATF via a Form 3310.4.

Firearms Tracing with Registration Scheme #1

These forms and records are used by law enforcement agencies to trace firearms associated with crime. To initiate a firearm trace, the police must note the serial number of the gun, then forward a firearm trace request (Form 3312.1) with other pertinent information to the ATF. The ATF then contacts the manufacturer who identifies the wholesaler that bought the firearm. The wholesaler then refers the ATF to the retail dealer who, using the bound-book, identifies the original retail purchaser.

The ATF considers a trace successful if the original purchaser is identified. Normally at this point, the ATF turns the case over to local law enforcement, however in rare cases the ATF attempts to follow the chain of possession. To trace a gun beyond the first retail purchaser, law enforcement authorities must conduct interviews and use informants, and of course these methods are often unsuccessful.

so again why dont you go back and read what other wrote before you fire off another misguided ignorant barrage of stupidity.

 

[BeaverHuntr]

I'm the one who wrote on getting a bill of sale notarized. I mean the notary acts as a witness basically.

 

[phxfire]

first of all i said nothing about needing to get anything notarized go back and read the quotes. what i said is that it is not the law but if you wanna cover you ass from prosecution of a crime committed with a gun you sold or bought then you should get a written contract. please show me the quote where i said what you are claiming above. and furthermore if you think that the guns you buy can not be trcaed then you are exhibiting even more of your ignorance. here read this:

so again why dont you go back and read what other wrote before you fire off another misguided ignorant barrage of stupidity.

I am sorry .... you agreed with SOMEONE that said to get a NOTARIZED CONTRACT.... Same Fucking thing bro......

 

[phxfire]

irieie

Originally Posted by BeaverHuntr
yeah always get a bill of sale notarized if you purchase/sale a gun privately .

YOU SAID...

unless you want to take the risk of going to prison for a crime someone else committed.

Sounds like YOU agreed with Beaver... If not MY BAD...
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[phxfire]

Arizona

Main article: Gun laws in Arizona
Subject/Law Long guns Handguns Relevant Statutes Notes State Permit to Purchase? No No None No Firearm registration? Partial Partial ARS 13-3101 State law duplicates some of the registration requirements of the National Firearms Act. "Assault weapon" law? No No None No Owner license required? No No None No Carry permits issued? Yes * Yes* ARS 13-3112 Concealed carry over the age of 21 in most places no longer requires a permit as of July 29, 2010. Although not required, a concealed carry permit may still be obtained and has certain advantages. State Preemption of local restrictions? Partial Partial ARS 13-3108 Explained in main article NFA weapons restricted? Partial Partial ARS 13-3101 It is a violation of state law to possess some NFA weapons except as permitted by federal law. Peaceable Journey laws? No No None Federal rules observed.

 

[irieie]

.... Same Fucking thing bro......

no it is not and he never said anything about it being the law either. all he said was that it should be notarized. yet another layer of fraud protection. at no point did either of us say this was the law. you are now backed into a corner and feel defensive so you sill probably lash out again. maybe you should go and take a bong rip and just chill instead.

 

[BeaverHuntr]

no it is not and he never said anything about it being the law either. all he said was that it should be notarized. yet another layer of fraud protection. at no point did either of us say this was the law. you are now backed into a corner and feel defensive so you sill probably lash out again. maybe you should go and take a bong rip and just chill instead.

Thats what I'm saying. I dont know the gun laws that well I just know that a notarized bill of sale is pretty much like having a witness say " yeah I witnessed this transaction" , and I'm not saying this is the law it's just something I would look into having a witness not related to the seller is a piece of cake if any legal troubles happen. You tell the authorities "look here's my notarized bill of sale look up the notary ID number and ask the notary themselves."

 

[phxfire]

no it is not and he never said anything about it being the law either. all he said was that it should be notarized. yet another layer of fraud protection. at no point did either of us say this was the law. you are now backed into a corner and feel defensive so you sill probably lash out again. maybe you should go and take a bong rip and just chill instead.

NOR did I say beaver or YOU said it was LAW... I said you do NOT know the law and that is WHY you are using a FAKE screen for protection.... You can not be HELD accountable for another persons actions... further... you can sell a gun to someone that maybe law abiding citizen today and KILL someone tomorrow... our laws protect folks from shit like this... the Notarized Contract Does nothing in court.... other than prove you sold a gun to someone.... OK What does it really do.... NOTHING I know a shit ton of folks that WOULD call BS on you and DEFEND our constitutional rights you care NOT for.

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[BeaverHuntr]

NOR did I say beaver or YOU said it was LAW... I said you do NOT know the law and that is WHY you are using a FAKE screen for protection.... You can not be HELD accountable for another persons actions... further... you can sell a gun to someone that maybe law abiding citizen today and KILL someone tomorrow... our laws protect folks from shit like this... the Notarized Contract Does nothing in court.... other than prove you sold a gun to someone.... OK What does it really do.... NOTHING I know a shit ton of folks that WOULD call BS on you and DEFEND our constitutional rights you care NOT for.

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Call BS on what ??? I'm confused now.

 

[phxfire]

Thats what I'm saying. I dont know the gun laws that well I just know that a notarized bill of sale is pretty much like having a witness say " yeah I witnessed this transaction" , and I'm not saying this is the law it's just something I would look into having a witness not related to the seller is a piece of cake if any legal troubles happen. You tell the authorities "look here's my notarized bill of sale look up the notary ID number and ask the notary themselves."

I do NOT think you have ever DONE this.... I would love to see what IDIOT allowed you to do this.... It is not you I am mad at it is the folks that DO NOT know the LAW and Try to act like they KNOW their SHIT....

I am on point when IT comes to the Gun Laws in Arizona....

 

[phxfire]

Call BS on what ??? I'm confused now.

"another layer of fraud protection"

Your protection lies in your good faith in transferring the firearm to someone you thought was law abiding and you have SEEN their AZ issued state ID... That is it...

I would hate reading through AZ cases to PROVE this shit.....

State of Arizona VS. XYZ

 

[phxfire]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_(by_state)#Arizona

basic shit here.... then look up the ARS code

 

[BeaverHuntr]

I dont feel like reading I just wanted to brush me up with any solid info you had.

 

[BeaverHuntr]

I do NOT think you have ever DONE this.... I would love to see what IDIOT allowed you to do this.... It is not you I am mad at it is the folks that DO NOT know the LAW and Try to act like they KNOW their SHIT....

I am on point when IT comes to the Gun Laws in Arizona....

You are right I have never done this nor did I claim I have ever done it. I was giving a opinion if it was wrong then it was wrong shit dude you act as if I am a editor for Guns and Ammo this is a message board about weed I dont expect anyone to have extensive knowledge on gun laws just throwing out our opinions on gun laws.

 

[phxfire]

You are right I have never done this nor did I claim I have ever done it. I was giving a opinion if it was wrong then it was wrong shit dude you act as if I am a editor for Guns and Ammo this is a message board about weed I dont expect anyone to have extensive knowledge on gun laws just throwing out our opinions on gun laws.

Hahaha... I know man... I just love building BIG fires.... Do not mind me....

But as far as gun laws there are soo many different opinions and the laws are what govern us not opinion....

 

[irieie]

you must not know the laws... Are you the ATF? Do you regulate this process? NO I never said DONT use your better judgement and sell a gun to who ever.... But I would NEVER sign a contract or anything pertaining to the transfer of a fire arm... Not required by law...

by saying "Not required by law" in your argument against what i said. you are saying that i have said other wise which is not the case.

And lastly the ONLY folks that know that status of a gun are the POLICE... Always use your better judgement....

this is just an untrue statment as i have shown you above in the tracing of firearms by the ATF

There is NO way for a gun to be tracked back to you if you take the proper protocols when acquiring a firearm...

This again is a false statement which was disproved b ythe above past reagrding gun tacing

You are crazy... notarized contract... I do NOT think you have ever sold a gun in that manner.... I would love to see proof.... MOST Arizonians KNOW their gun rights and would tell you to piss off....

Hey meet me at the notary to sign your life away.... NO WAY

I never said i sold a gun in that manner again you are putting words in my mouth

DUDE dont start... I read what you wrote... And you are claiming it is a MUST to get a notarized contract for a PRIVATE transaction

where did anyone claim that this was a MUST again putting words in others mouths.

NOR did I say beaver or YOU said it was LAW... I said you do NOT know the law and that is WHY you are using a FAKE screen for protection.... You can not be HELD accountable for another persons actions... further... you can sell a gun to someone that maybe law abiding citizen today and KILL someone tomorrow... our laws protect folks from shit like this... the Notarized Contract Does nothing in court.... other than prove you sold a gun to someone.... OK What does it really do.... NOTHING I know a shit ton of folks that WOULD call BS on you and DEFEND our constitutional rights you care NOT for.

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call BS on what. that it is a good idea to get proof that you sold your gun so it is not traced back to you in a crime? if you wanna call that BS go right ahead. you are proving how much of an idiot you really are. and this is from someone who themselves stated that they have never owned a gun nor do they plan on owning one.

I do NOT think you have ever DONE this.... I would love to see what IDIOT allowed you to do this.... It is not you I am mad at it is the folks that DO NOT know the LAW and Try to act like they KNOW their SHIT....

I am on point when IT comes to the Gun Laws in Arizona....

you are not on point of anything. no one here was arguing the law with you at all. it does not even seem that you know what anyone else is even saying. you have diarhea of the mouth (or keyboard).

 

[phxfire]

@Iririe

wow I am surprised you did all that....

first OFF.. The ATF are POLICE..... Maybe not the Phoenix Police but they are a law enforcement agency....

YOU LACK THE UNDERSTAND OF THE LAWS...... I am sorry I am NOT computer SAVy in all ways BUT i can tell you that YOU ARE WRONG BRO....

Like I said I love building real big fires.... I am ON POINT with the LAWS BRO... You are not... ONCE again you just into a converation YOU were not part of and IT back fired ON you.... Go back through all the posts and Answer HOW you want ... the fact is YOU do NOT know the GUN LAWS... Or you would agree with ME.....

 

[phxfire]

I is FUNNY the first thing SOMEONE does when They are wrong is START talking SHIT....


I do NOT know you and YOU do NOT know me sooo Shut your TRAP.....