Arizona Cannabis Society Raided by PHOENIX Police - Phoenix and El Mirage locations

irieie said:

They did have high prices in the beginning, but toward the end they had comparable or lower prices than all the other clubs. They also were producing it themselves which can not be said for many other clubs. And they were run as a not for profit (which is not the same as nonprofit) , but they never yad to be because they were not a dispensary. Their main fault was their plant count. Over 99 plants is asking for trouble if you ask me and they had 900. Sometimes its hard not to he greedy, but you lose in the end. Its a shame what happened to them, especially the human suffering which is now a direct result of them getting busted.

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NINE HUNDRED? how stupid is that? how the fuck do you rationalize growing 900 plants under arizona's med pot law? nothing like pushing your luck. pissing off the gubment, there's a bright idea.

someone's going to hang. that's for sure.

The only thing I will respond to is the question of our plant count, as it is an "ongoing investigation" and I cannot really say much more.

AZCS had the number of plants we had due to our business model as a Collective/Co-Op.

Each AZDHS registered mmj patient can be authorized to grow 12 plants by AZDHS.

The AMMA CLEARLY states where those plants "must be kept", in an "enclosed, locked facility" unless the patient is moving.

Other than that "local zoning" rules and regulations determine the rest.

We are in compliance with the AMMA regarding location of plants.

We are in compliance with the AMMA regarding plant count. 900 plants would suggest we had 75 patients cultivating in the same facility. We have close to 1000 patients with agreements assigning us agency rights through the collective to assist them in their cultivation.

We are in compliance with all local zoning restrictions regarding cultivation by patients.

According to the AMMA, "dispensaries" must be "non-profit" or similar by model and language.

There is NOTHING in the AMMA about collectives/co-op's and what business model they must operate as because they are ommitted from the AMMA language.

Try not to add your own interpretation of the language in the AMMA folks, that's for a judge to decide now.

if our equipment is not returned, and soon, we will file a lawsuit against the Phoenix PD and every officer involved.

whatever your views are on this collective and their practices this sucks in a big way. I hope you guys are ok and this doesnt hang over you for too long.

100 plants is not in any way within the law, shameful operation from the start . . . Registered caregivers can stay within the law at a total count of 72 plants in AZ. Most were wondering how long AZCS could get away with it. No future here for any of their money making dispensary dreams after this.

@AZCS

What has happened with the "25 Mile Rule"?

This maybe more important to your existence in the future than ever before.

Patients are beginning to renew their IDs and no one has been denied the authority to cultivate but when the States 1st dispensary opens this will change.

What can a patient do to help fight the unconstitutional "25 Mile Rule"?

Is filing in Superior Court an option?

Patient not authorized to cultivate = 0 plants for caregiver to cultivate
Collectives will simple become middlemen like Elements! ie... non cultivating caregiver collective

i think best budz got raided all i got wwas they answering machine yesterday and they never called back

what 900 lol they are going to federal prison forget az police DEA is gonna swoop in there I'd hope whoever did that many plants got federal government attention. and taking away growers rights thats unconstitutional

phxfire said:

@AZCS

What has happened with the "25 Mile Rule"?

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The one guy who was taking any action at all just got arrested with far more than the legal cultivation limit in the state. There is little doubt that this will cost him his standing, as well as the opportunity, to pursue his case, which was already in the stage between the motions to dismiss and being dismissed.

I believe that a likely scenario is that several dispensaries will begin to open in June or July, and will be shut down by federal actions within six to eight weeks of opening. I wouldn't be surprised if those federal actions came as the result of complaints made by AZ patients as activism against the 25-mile CHAA rule.

What is sooo funny is we are the dispensaries customers....

We should have a say in something. Right?

I will not be going to 1 dispensary until the "25 Mile Rule" is addressed and repealed...

And I encourage EVERYONE to do the same...

It is a damn shame Arizonans must be stuck playing this monopoly game with dispensaries.

Do we get $200 for passing GO? No we pay $150 for making it around the board 1 time...

I would prefer my MMJ treatment stay with my doctor and I - NOT with the Arizona Dept. of Health Services who ultimately makes the decision...

UnderBelly said:

The one guy who was taking any action at all just got arrested with far more than the legal cultivation limit in the state. There is little doubt that this will cost him his standing, as well as the opportunity, to pursue his case, which was already in the stage between the motions to dismiss and being dismissed.

I believe that a likely scenario is that several dispensaries will begin to open in June or July, and will be shut down by federal actions within six to eight weeks of opening. I wouldn't be surprised if those federal actions came as the result of complaints made by AZ patients as activism against the 25-mile CHAA rule.

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That's about right, imo. Maybe even protesting against dispensaries at the location of dispensaries

MurshDawg said:

That's about right, imo. Maybe even protesting against dispensaries at the location of dispensaries

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When? Where? Are you going to facilitate this?

I believe a more proactive approach maybe to FIND a dispensary owner/director who is willing to take the side of Patients and help fight the "25 Mile Rule"

What dispensary owner/director shall be wise to help the community in which they are appointed to serve?

I believe protesting at the AzDHS will get as much done as protesting in front of a dispensary.. NOT MUCH.

Best way to get something done is to do it yourself & not rely others. If & when this 25 mile rule becomes a problem, the path for a solution will become a bit clearer. Got to have the horse in front of the cart to get ahead . . .

Funny some fools will sell meds to people with Cali cards - what's next from those with such little regard for the law ? Keep getting locked up ? I'm bummed at how bad they make things on the rest of us who at least try to be law abiding mmj patients.

hydrogregg said:

so if i'm a patient and grow 12 plants, when i get to my 9th grow i'd have grown 108 plants and would be past the federal 99 plant count in 5 years...any patient growing legally in az is breaking federal laws even if they have ONE plant. These stupid laws need to be attacked just as hard as the feds have attacked this plant!!

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This doesn't mean shit 99 plants etc.... Marijuana is illegal per the Feds.
Simple.
Fed trump State laws

As far as Clubs and Dispensary go here in Az. I feel sorry for them.
What I really care about is that stupid 25 mile rule.
That rule keeps me from cultivation rights. Once I renew my card and they don't let me grow. It is going to be a very sad day.

Wolfhound said:

Best way to get something done is to do it yourself & not rely others. If & when this 25 mile rule becomes a problem, the path for a solution will become a bit clearer. Got to have the horse in front of the cart to get ahead . . .

Funny some fools will sell meds to people with Cali cards - what's next from those with such little regard for the law ? Keep getting locked up ? I'm bummed at how bad they make things on the rest of us who at least try to be law abiding mmj patients.

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You can p2p with someone who has an out of state cert and it is legal under state law.

Ringsixty said:

This doesn't mean shit 99 plants etc.... Marijuana is illegal per the Feds.Simple. Fed trump State lawsAs far as Clubs and Dispensary go here in Az. I feel sorry for them. What I really care about is that stupid 25 mile rule.That rule keeps me from cultivation rights. Once I renew my card and they don't let me grow. It is going to be a very sad day.

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Actually a sheriff could tell the feds to fuck off and leave his county. Sheriffs have supreme law over their county, federal or state

apothecarist said:

You can p2p with someone who has an out of state cert and it is legal under state law.

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you can give it to other out of state patients for free. but sales are still illegal

IVIars said:

Actually a sheriff could tell the feds to fuck off and leave his county. Sheriffs have supreme law over their county, federal or state

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Really? That would be nice...

I know Sheriff Joe is ALL about enforcing the laws of HIS land... And the AMMA falls under his realm...!

apothecarist said:

You can p2p with someone who has an out of state cert and it is legal under state law.

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My point - Just a few days ago Bill Hayes(personally on this forum), AZCS or whatever name is a business & have said they will sell to Cali card holders . . .

Wolfhound said:

My point - Just a few days ago Bill Hayes(personally on this forum), AZCS or whatever name is a business & have said they will sell to Cali card holders . . .

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Under federal law MMJ is still illegal...

But under State Statues Providing or offering to a person with a "Registry identification card" is legal...

"Cardholder" means a qualifying patient, a designated caregiver or a nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary agent who has been issued and possesses a valid registry identification card.
"Qualifying patient" means a person who has been diagnosed by a physician as having a debilitating medical condition.
"Registry identification card" means a document issued by the department that identifies a person as a registered qualifying patient, registered designated caregiver or a registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary agent.
A.R.S. 36-2811(3)
A registered qualifying patient or registered designated caregiver is not subject to arrest, prosecution or penalty in any manner, or denial of any right or privilege, including any civil penalty or disciplinary action by a court or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau:
3. For offering or providing marijuana to a registered qualifying patient or a registered designated caregiver for the registered qualifying patient's medical use or to a registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary if nothing of value is transferred in return and the person giving the marijuana does not knowingly cause the recipient to possess more than the allowable amount of marijuana.

Being a Cali patient doesn't fulfill the definitions...... As a Cali patient you are NOT a registered patient.... A registered patient has a ID card issued by the AzDHS...
BUT with this section below it allows a visiting patient to have the SAME power as a registered patient(minus cultivation) giving the visiting patient the same status as a registered patient which is a registered patient with a registry id card...

A.R.S. 36-2804.03(C)
C. A registry identification card, or its equivalent, that is issued under the laws of another state, district, territory, commonwealth or insular possession of the United States that allows a visiting qualifying patient to possess or use marijuana for medical purposes in the jurisdiction of issuance has the same force and effect when held by a visiting qualifying patient as a registry identification card issued by the department, except that a visiting qualifying patient is not authorized to obtain marijuana from a nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary.



Completely legal mate!! MINUS the sell part!! That is still illegal.

This is where we get into the grey area. In my interpretation, it is against the guidelines to provide for a patient whom does not have an AZ green card. However I believe that other state's cards would be valid protection for possession of marijuana (flowers, edibles, concentrates, etc.) But not live plants. There is an arguement to be made by either side, however I would not like to be involved with the case which decides this matter. I feel it is best to stay completely in compliance where the guidelines are explicit and avoid anything which would have to be clarified by a judge.